Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Wisdom]

Its bad but Im not sure it's because she wants to save Dunn. She could have hopped on me if so

@critter

[Critter]

Its bad but Im not sure it's because she wants to save Dunn. She could have hopped on me if so

@critter

Just consider her after I die. I do not think she is town here.

[Wisdom]

I think MM or SM make more sense but sure

[Critter]

Fair. Just please don’t “lock town” Kyo

She’s dodged giving reads this whole game practically with her BS tunnel

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey hey I think this will convince you for certain

Subject: Undertale Mafia (Endgame):

It's not a clear crumb. It doesn't mean it's not a starting point. But it's not like "

I could get behind SS

" or "I'll be looking into SS overnight" level clear.

VOTE: Dunn

Yeah I heard enough.

Dunn is good for today and if he flips town go Wisdom

And if Dunn flips scum for the love of all that’s good consider Kyo for that defense of Dunn

OK.

We can do different things tomorrow

I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.

This could also potentially point to hiding behind Dunnstral: "I can get behind this", but the problem with this as a crumb is he goes on to say "I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow", indicating he's favoring LLD, who doesnt make sense as a target. I feel that if this post were meant as a crumb, it would have been worded more carefully so it could not be misinterpreted. There's even potential here that there's some kind of EMMI crumb toward the end if this post. This post is too unclear to be a crumb, so I'm going to assume it was not one, and "getting behind" something is not a crumb on the same level as "hiding behind" something as a Hider crumb.

This to me is a crumb.

Like this defense from Kyo is like stretching pasta noodles to the point of breaking badly.

Okay yeah I’m good to vote Dunn probably

[Towelie]

I'm hard resetting assuming this flips red; i don't think it necessarily points to an obvious third atm.

It could still be m&m i guess but in that case i don't know what pooky was doing w/ trying to drag me off of VFT (and ostensibly onto dunn, although i will admit he never actually followed through on that part)

what's vc at

-b

[Wisdom]

what's vc at

Just me and Critter on Dunn (E-4)

[Wisdom]

With Dunn being scum that makes 2 LLD correct scumreads I gave her shit for

Totally expecting MM making it 3/3

[Towelie]

VOTE: dunn

-b

[StrangeMatter]

But I'm defintiely never killing any of EMMI/Stranger/Gamma today

Gamma yes
The other two wtf? Theyre so scummy

Ok so I noted that Wisdom said this earlier, along with LLD already saying this but, you haven't ever made a case at all for either player you considered scummy, just pointing out what you think is scummy. Personally though, I'd like to hear the case on EMMI more here since I don't get where that's even coming from or why you believed that it would be the best elimination.

[Wisdom]

aren't you tired of going after me sm

I do not do cases, move on

[StrangeMatter]

aren't you tired of going after me sm

I do not do cases, move on

And not try with I feel like should be looked into, read, and questioned? No thank you, I'm staying.

[Wisdom]

Okay but do you realize we have what amounts to a guilty on Dunn?

[Milk & Mocha]

ahahahahhahaahaha we were right

i'd vote dunn but i don't want to kill him yet cuz i know noraa will want to come and gloat and vote him

[ssbm_Kyouko]

2051 wasn't a crumb, he was agreeing with me that we should follow LLD (my post was a reply to LLD). To back this up he did end up voting for VFT shortly after. This was around the time when multiple people were trying to change who the wagon was on.

Critter claimed doc, what do you think of that?

I think it's irrelevant (which is why I didn't comment on it) and he's scum whether or not he's a doctor. I don't think 2051 is a crumb - I saw that it could be interpreted as one and explained why it's not likely to be one. It was the only other post besides 1613 that could be seen as possibly a crumb.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

OK.

We can do different things tomorrow

I can get behind this.

It's quite unfortunate that two people I respect are disagreeing so heavily, but I'm going to have to favor the one who's probably going to be dead tomorrow.

Also, I think I agree with the reads here-- I can follow the town reasoning for SM, but Emmi not so much. But of course it's entirely possible LLD sees something I don't.

This is the crumb in my opinion. It's closer to the end of the day and the context refers to the next day.

The one about hiding behind the alt does not look as likely because for one it's way earlier in the day and then he's quoting Kyouko and talking about Critter so it's not that clear.

VOTE: Dunn

It's definitely clear, Critter

is

the alt that he is talking about. Also, if you read S_S's posting around that time of the day, that is around the time his tone shifts with Critter. I don't think he comes out and says Critter is a scumread, but he starts getting a little aggro with Critter and there's clearly some tension there that he is keeping under wraps - that could have even been the read he was saying he was hiding so it wouldn't affect anyone's interactions.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

He could not have more obviously stated "I'm hiding behind Critter tonight"

[Towelie]

The use of the exact "I could get behind" verbiage as in another game where he was talking about doing a crumb exactly like that with that role suggests it is indeed the crumb.

1613 is considerably weaker and just seemed offhanded. Not having it.

-b

[Wisdom]

he's scum whether or not he's a doctor.

what
Why would there be a scum doctor in this setup

[Wisdom]

And yeah Kyouko it amazes me you still insist when it's clear the Dunn crumb is the true crumb

[Wisdom]

But maybe you havent read fully given you were answering 2305, lets see

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But yeah with the doc claim and no cc I feel like Critter's pretty conftown, so thats another point against that crumb being the one

There's no guarantee a doctor exists in the setup. There are other ways kills can be prevented.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And yeah Kyouko it amazes me you still insist when it's clear the Dunn crumb is the true crumb

But maybe you havent read fully given you were answering 2305, lets see

Still reading but I found 2051 last night and explained why it's not a crumb. S_S snips quotes on the reg. There is too much in 2051 that could point at a different player for it to have been a Dunnstral crumb. I'm sure that if S_S was crumbing in 2051 he would have been careful with the verbiage so it would have been clear who he was targeting. He says he is favoring the one that will be dead tomorrow (LLD) - why would he put that in the post if he was trying to convey he was Hiding behind Dunn? Why are there no other uses of the word hide/hiding in his ISO when he uses "behind" close to other players more than once?

[Wisdom]

. There is too much in 2051 that could point at a different player for it to have been a Dunnstral crumb.

no there isn't. He said he could get behind "this", this being the quoted person, Dunn. The rest of the post is not relevant.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And he WOULD want to clear wisdom with that very post you quoted, SSBM? He literally said he trusts wisdoms reads as town, but clearly suspects him throughout most of the day. So by checking him, you either clear him to trust his reads or guilty him

I think he would have crumbed if Wisdom was his target.