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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:02 pm
by Titus
In post 2374, Aristeia wrote: In post 2362, Titus wrote:After 1575, I gave Ari concrete data showing the data matched and Ari didn't address it at all. Instead she pushed Implosion. Ari is literally trying to excuse the absence of aggressive Mathblade behavior by saying it fails solely because she's in the game. She's the only one who can persuade Math to abandon a tunnel. She's the only one who can scare town!Math that he doesn't play to his meta. I can't see town!Ari having that level of hubris.
like you're telling me
that town!mathblade won't change his mind on a townread ever
therefore he's scum
and I'm telling you, I've literally made town!mathblade change his mind on a townread.
He can change his mind. He never votes a townread but for like hammer to stop no lim and I don't even recall him doing that.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:04 pm
by Aristeia
like this game:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600
mathblade enters the thread the exact same way and we fight about it for like a day.
later at f6[mylo] he is confirmed town by investigation and decides to vote me and push me. I eventually ate him into changing his mind and killing his townreads and we win the game.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:04 pm
by Aristeia
like this game:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=88600
mathblade enters the thread the exact same way and we fight about it for like a day.
later at f6[mylo] he is confirmed town by investigation and decides to vote me and push me. I eventually ate him into changing his mind and killing his townreads and we win the game.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:06 pm
by Aristeia
In post 2375, Titus wrote:He can change his mind. He never votes a townread but for like hammer to stop no lim and I don't even recall him doing that.
the viable elims were literally himself and HEM
he has zero thread influence - nobody is listening to him.
would he really prefer himself to be eliminated over his townread ??
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:14 pm
by Roden
In post 2320, Ausuka wrote: In post 2319, Roden wrote:
I think unless Wallflower checks in and claims to have JK'd/RB'd Math, then Math and Titus are TvT. I say that because she's the only one left who hasn't checked in. It would make today super easy if she did block the kill, but if not it's looking like someone chose Doctor and saved someone. And in that case the Doc can conftown someone if necessary.
Huh would it make today super easy? I mean there's still no way of knowing if it was doc/JK/something else I guess that would block the kill right?
I think it's safe for JK to claim a potential guilty since they can be protected by a Doc if they do exist. JK likely doesn't claim though if they targeted a town read slot. And in the case of us having a RB then they essentially have a hard guilty unless a potential JK also targeted a scummy slot.
In post 2321, Titus wrote: In post 2319, Roden wrote:
I think unless Wallflower checks in and claims to have JK'd/RB'd Math, then Math and Titus are TvT. I say that because she's the only one left who hasn't checked in. It would make today super easy if she did block the kill, but if not it's looking like someone chose Doctor and saved someone. And in that case the Doc can conftown someone if necessary.
No way town math wouldn't check me.
Check you with what? Cop?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:20 pm
by Aristeia
maybe i'm too tunneled on town!mathblade
if anyone wants to make a case for why this is scum mathblade I will read it
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:21 pm
by Wallflower
Sorry everyone, had a busy start to the morning and still need to read up but I did not JK/RB math if that helps?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:26 pm
by Titus
In post 2380, Aristeia wrote:maybe i'm too tunneled on town!mathblade
if anyone wants to make a case for why this is scum mathblade I will read it
Spoiler at EoD1
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:27 pm
by Titus
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:27 pm
by Roden
In post 2381, Wallflower wrote:Sorry everyone, had a busy start to the morning and still need to read up but I did not JK/RB math if that helps?
Good to know. We can assume either Doc protected someone or the JK protected a town read. If RB exists instead of Doc, they're likely scum since they didn't claim a guilty.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:27 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2382, Titus wrote: In post 2380, Aristeia wrote:maybe i'm too tunneled on town!mathblade
if anyone wants to make a case for why this is scum mathblade I will read it
Spoiler at EoD1
Like if you’re town that is a bad play
You should be pitching Ari a world in which Ari is town but I am scum
I think you just don’t want a townblock with me in it
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:28 pm
by Aristeia
In post 2382, Titus wrote: In post 2380, Aristeia wrote:maybe i'm too tunneled on town!mathblade
if anyone wants to make a case for why this is scum mathblade I will read it
Spoiler at EoD1
I ignored that because it said I was scum with HEM and I find that ridiculous
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:28 pm
by implosion
No one who's an RB or JK or Doctor should claim anything. There are too many of those roles that could exist for any results to be unambiguous.
Hypocop green check on Titus.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:28 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2384, Roden wrote: In post 2381, Wallflower wrote:Sorry everyone, had a busy start to the morning and still need to read up but I did not JK/RB math if that helps?
Good to know. We can assume either Doc protected someone or the JK protected a town read. If RB exists instead of Doc, they're likely scum since they didn't claim a guilty.
Give it another 24 but then yeah I am good with this assumption
There was some chaos about cop claims first.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:29 pm
by implosion
Actually it's jailkeeper and doc/rb so I guess it's possible to get low ambiguity. But still, I don't think there's much need to claim right now.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:31 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2387, implosion wrote:No one who's an RB or JK or Doctor should claim anything. There are too many of those roles that could exist for any results to be unambiguous.
Hypocop green check on Titus.
I wholeheartedly disagree here.
If a roleblock has a guilty then they should absolutely be claiming here.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:31 pm
by Roden
Ah, well he most likely isn't Cop, or a PR at all tbh since he's at the bottom of the draft. But yeah I agree that he always checks you in that situation.
Why did you think you were shot?
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:32 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2389, implosion wrote:Actually it's jailkeeper and doc/rb so I guess it's possible to get low ambiguity. But still, I don't think there's much need to claim right now.
No one has claimed invests messed up or anything of the sort
So it is extremely likely doc saved the kill.
So then if a RB or JK doesn’t claim we just all hypo doc
If I am protective (I know I claimed VT but play along) I protected Ari
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:33 pm
by Titus
In post 2391, Roden wrote:
Ah, well he most likely isn't Cop, or a PR at all tbh since he's at the bottom of the draft. But yeah I agree that he always checks you in that situation.
Why did you think you were shot?
In a bit of arrogance, because my solve is right at least on Mathblade and Ari or my only two other compromise slots contain scum. Most likely my theory is just right and scum know I am a dog with a bone.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:33 pm
by Titus
In post 2392, MathBlade wrote: In post 2389, implosion wrote:Actually it's jailkeeper and doc/rb so I guess it's possible to get low ambiguity. But still, I don't think there's much need to claim right now.
No one has claimed invests messed up or anything of the sort
So it is extremely likely doc saved the kill.
So then if a RB or JK doesn’t claim we just all hypo doc
If I am protective (I know I claimed VT but play along) I protected Ari
We aren't doing this.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:34 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2393, Titus wrote: In post 2391, Roden wrote:
Ah, well he most likely isn't Cop, or a PR at all tbh since he's at the bottom of the draft. But yeah I agree that he always checks you in that situation.
Why did you think you were shot?
In a bit of arrogance, because my solve is right at least on Mathblade and Ari or my only two other compromise slots contain scum. Most likely my theory is just right and scum know I am a dog with a bone.
Then someone in the hypo protective claims will claim to have saved you
I think you trying to save HeM yesterday means no one protects you
You’re just spamming me scum repeatedly which makes discussion impossible
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:36 pm
by Aristeia
hypo doc is super dumb
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:36 pm
by Titus
People can discuss. We aren't outing like half the PRs when scum can use that to solve when there's too many possible. Plus scum may know what to fake.
Hypo cops cover enough for docs as well.
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:37 pm
by Aristeia
roleblocker probly can claim if we have one
nobody shot titus because she's just wrong
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:38 pm
by Titus
Who would you like to discuss Math? I offered you an inivitation to highlight scum on your wagon if not me. I'm willing to discuss any read in the game.