Mini Normal 2276: Around the World - Game Over!

Alexcellent · Post Post #2375 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:39 am

@Freedom, who do you want to vote today?

Alexcellent · Post Post #2376 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:40 am

Maybe?

There's a lot of short kinda nothing comments throughout Johnny's catch up. Lots of "don't like this", "I like this" sorta stuff that's all non-committal. There hasn't been a lot of interaction between them that I can recall although did notice Johnny's surprise at Freedom being voted.

Ausuka · Post Post #2377 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:40 am

I feel like shoshin and Marci's whole thing near the start of day 1 was anti associative

I guess it might not be too important to look for teams for now but maybe it could help us decide the best vote for today

Alexcellent · Post Post #2378 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:43 am

In post 2243, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Woah wait where are the freedom votes coming from?

Notably not actually taking a stance- not agreeing or disagreeing with the Freedom votes. Just kind of an empty post that makes it look like he's got some kind of opinion here but he doesn't actually express one.

Ausuka · Post Post #2379 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:44 am

Yeah regardless of alignment Johnny is just prodgeposting. Maybe I should meta him to see if he struggles more to make meaningful content as scum

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #2380 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:45 am

JohnnyFarrar has been prodded

Ausuka · Post Post #2381 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:55 am

Ok I had a look at Johnny's past games, I couldn't notice any obvious difference between his town and scum game. He is definitely capable of lurking as town. I guess I struggle to sort people like that in general.

Alexcellent · Post Post #2382 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 4:58 am

In post 2024, JohnnyFarrar wrote:I'm town simple combined doctor voyeur.

I visited Crescent n1, and should I say who I visited n2? Or do we wanna potentially catch them in a lie?

Tbf I had to ask several questions to even fully understand what my results meant each night anyway

In post 2199, JohnnyFarrar wrote:Ok ya confirming scamper is vanilla. Was hoping to protect

I hate reading this back in retrospect. Like I sort of wish we pushed for him to give his results upfront because him waiting as long as he did gave him time to see everyone's claims and pick the safest one to fake if he's scum.

Alexcellent · Post Post #2383 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:00 am

In post 2381, Ausuka wrote:Ok I had a look at Johnny's past games, I couldn't notice any obvious difference between his town and scum game. He is definitely capable of lurking as town. I guess I struggle to sort people like that in general.

Yeah agreed. I glanced at a scum mini he had from like 2020. I didn't give it a full read but it's similar low content postings and such. But yeah, I guess this could also be lurk town.

Alexcellent · Post Post #2384 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:01 am

I think it was asked before but can simple doctor voyeur be a scum role? I feel like the voyeur aspect is unlikely to be scum? But I guess with multiple vigs a scum doc could be possible?

Ausuka · Post Post #2385 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:05 am

I don't see why it wouldn't be, it sort of works as a vanilla cop that can also detect players who can visit, eg if Roden and Johnny target the same player Johnny is alerted to Roden being a PR.

That being said I do feel like town is slightly light on power so idk??

Ausuka · Post Post #2386 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:06 am

I mean you have a traffic analyst and three confirmable roles hypothetically so maybe I'm full of shit and the reality is town just played our PRs not that well

Alexcellent · Post Post #2387 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:07 am

You know what I've talked myself into this.

VOTE: Johnny

Ausuka · Post Post #2388 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:09 am

I feel like mafia having a jailkeeper is weird but like

Who am I kidding this setup is so complicated I think speculating on how mastina and pooky would view balance is impossible.

Alexcellent · Post Post #2389 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:14 am

Parked his vote all D1 on me, has contributed pretty much nothing to town, hasn't done any scumhunting, most of his posts are so non-committal, actively appears to prod dodge. Like yeah, he's got the simple doc voyeur claim but that can be scum PR and his results can be fabricated. I feel like this game stagnating how it has probably benefits him as scum more than anything and he can hide behind the guise of disinterested town.

Like I don't like Freedom's play and Marci's hard to read too but I feeeel like there are more things backing them up as town then there are with Johnny. I feel like I'm making up excuses to say Johnny's town rather than just accepting that the scummiest player is probably just scum.

P-edit: I feel like JK can be a double edged sword for scum given that the traitor had it. Corwin wouldn't have known which scum was killing which town and probably would have inadvertently ruined NKs more than protected his team mates from vigs or roleblocked town or whatever.

Alexcellent · Post Post #2390 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:22 am

There's also the possibility that he's just like, lied about the doctor part too.

Ausuka · Post Post #2391 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:22 am

Johnny is just extremely eh to me

Like I can see him flipping either way I guess. I think Freedom's play has been marginally scummier but he has Shoshin going for him so I see where you're coming from. He hasn't done much for the town that's true.

You're right about jailkeeper as well, it can be a powerful role in scum hands but it'd be impossible to coordinate. I guess theoretically if Freedom is scum they could eventually make it an all mafia neighbourhood but mafia wouldn't know at the start what they had to do.

Ausuka · Post Post #2392 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:23 am

In post 2390, Alexcellent wrote:There's also the possibility that he's just like, lied about the doctor part too.

I mean yeah, although I doubt he's just a simple voyeur

It could be something weird like ninja voyeur I guess lol

Ausuka · Post Post #2393 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:27 am

A few years ago I played a scumgame where the last mafia alive had a Simple modifier and because of that they couldn't nightkill any PRs. I wonder if it would be the same for Johnny

Alexcellent · Post Post #2394 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:30 am

Yeah the Shoshin thing is probably what's keeping me from staying on Freedom. But idk, we have 3 days left and not much happening. I think Johnny is the play.

P-edit: lol that would be brutal

Ausuka · Post Post #2395 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:31 am

I don't hate it

Ausuka · Post Post #2396 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:33 am

I mean freedom/Johnny is probably the scumteam I was looking at most closely anyway? So I could swing for it

I guess I was hoping Johnny was just busy and would come around without needing to be wagoned but it's not looking likely

Ausuka · Post Post #2397 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:35 am

In post 440, Shoshin wrote:Johnny's town.

In post 444, Shoshin wrote:
In post 442, Datisi wrote:johnny has not posted between 341 and 413?
I reevaluated him after Crescent mentioned he was scummy. Realized he's obvtown.

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2398 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:36 am

In post 2366, Ausuka wrote:It is one of many possibilities

I don't know rh9 meta that well tbf but from what I've seen I definitely feel like he is capable of more as town? Idk.

I'll say rh9's difficulties when widely TR are historically tangible

Gamma Emerald · Post Post #2399 (ISO) » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:37 am

In post 2393, Ausuka wrote:A few years ago I played a scumgame where the last mafia alive had a Simple modifier and because of that they couldn't nightkill any PRs. I wonder if it would be the same for Johnny

was it a normal? if not idk if that would be allowed in a normal