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In post 2324, VP Baltar wrote:I'm finding it pretty hard to be invested in this game because of the long weekend in the US, but I'm going to raise a few points about GuiltyLion that kind of bug me. This is far from a comprehensive analysis of his ISO, but I need to force myself to be involved here otherwise I'll just end up not logging in all weekend.


I'll say I started off the game kind of being OK with GL. I didn't mind his pushes on scamper and FB, and I could at least understand where he was coming from there. But as the game has progressed, I've found the things he's pushing to be quite nonsensical and filled with busy work.

As an example:

In post 1409, GuiltyLion wrote:like specifically, he's the one who brought up the idea of a shitfight with Nero to begin with. Then when Nero was like "actually why aren't you fighting with me", his response was "cause that's what I would do if I were scum, and I'm not scum". idk if I'm effectively communicating the point, but it just feels like comments weren't meant to do anything other than imply that his play is town

This is such a nonsense point he is trying to even make. The person who got freaking OUTRAGED that I asked a clarifying question about who he was referring to (1214 is around the end of this argument for those who need refreshing) is trying to use a clear joke as a shade point against me. It just doesn't make sense when he thinks its so fake for me to not understand him, but then he can't comprehend jokes. Give me a fucking break. He's either town who is way over committed to a scum!VP worldview and is trying to score cheap points, or he's scum. I have a hard time believing the former considering I had to goad him about not actually being willing to vote me without cover of a wagon.

In post 2034, GuiltyLion wrote:i'm not personally really townreading but a number of my townreads are and I'm currently ok with that: {dv, marci, xofelf}

would yeet: {dann, conman, firebringer, vpb}

This is an absolute trash reads list, imo. DV looks pretty town to me this game. Marci seems pretty townie, though she's opaque sometimes. xofelf is probably null to town lean for me. Dann and conman I've talked about already. FB did look scummy to me early on, so I can agree there. And I'm town.

So like, where's the beef in this reads list? Unless I'm so dead wrong on my reads at the start of this game, I have trouble seeing how people see this list from GL as credibly a good take from someone who has been HIGHLY engaged with the game so far.

In post 2050, GuiltyLion wrote:

In post 2046, fireisredsir wrote:i think this could be following the same trajectory as turing test here where i kinda lowkey scumread GL for most of d1 and then it gets to eod and he summarizes his reads and oops turns out we agree on almost everything maybe he's just town

can you give me like the top liner for why you're voting CMM instead of Dann? I'm considering switching but kinda want to see what Dann does on return

And the last thing that really bugs me about GL is the constant looking for cover from other players. I've made this point already, and GL says "well I do this as town"...which means absolutely nothing. That's an easy meta thing to exploit and duplicate as scum so you take no responsibility for anything that happens.

The extremely hedgy "I'm considering switching" just reads like he's testing the waters with fire here to see what they think before actually making a move. It's gross and doesn't have town vibes to me.

In that situation, if I'm actually unsure of what to do, I might ask a more direct question, like: "Hey fire, I think CMM is scummy for XYZ, but I'm unsure if I'm over analyzing that. I"d like your opinion." Instead, we get a trial balloon floated.



Datisi, I'd be curious to hear what you find townie about GL since you said that's your read there. What am I missing?

In post 1742, ConManMick wrote:Vote me then.
This is forum Mafia, the whole thing is a notepad.
What's cagey about it?

In post 2181, ConManMick wrote:I'm not up to date yet but look at the naked votes and the bullshit "X, tell me why I should vote for Y?" Followed by immediate "ok!" Votes tomorrow, and the egos who think they're beyond being elimmed

In post 2184, ConManMick wrote:I can't remember who said about only having mentioned three townreads but like
There's twenty people or whatever here
I'm not gonna go around like the town toothfairy and dole out wee gold stars for everyone
If I haven't mentioned them then I haven't got to them, I'll look if I'm asked or I get there

Pedit yeah maybe it wasn't a nice way to say it but all that shit you have to say about your fantastic leading games from the back of your own wagon just rubs me the wrong way

In post 2242, ConManMick wrote:And like, it's a large game, you can afford to lose me as town if it makes catching scum easier, so idk what vibe you want to give off with that "talk shit get limmed" stuff, I'm not exactly shaking in my boots