Medieval Mafia - Game Over

[OhGodMyLife]

Slicey prodded.

[camn]

Fine. I'll wait.

UNVOTE x 2

I vote with Tar.

[Tarhalindur]

Partial PBPA, farside22:

Okay I'm reading the top 2 players in isolation.
Qwits. Sounds board. Mostly one liners and following and more following. Soft claimed vanilla. More one liners.
In short I think qwints is mostly board and behind in the game. I need to read Kmd's case on him but readin qwints alone I saw nothing but a board soul who is not helping the town.

He seems bascially the way I feel.

Now that I look at it, this post is a pretty strong vanilla townie breadcrumb.

Now on cow:

Not sure why cow pushes zwet's claim. Did he not watch braveheart? The problem with asking about a confirmed townie is you don't know if a doctor or protecting role exsist in the game so why out that person?

there are plenty of ways for a role to avoid getting NK'd. But even if the dayvig was NK'd, I don't find that to be a huge negative. Sure, we lose a power role, but the scum could easily have made a more crippling kill than a dayvig.

Excuse me?

Later cow makes a case on kmd but later backs off and joins the qwints BW with nothing to add or say on it.
Yes I have been quiet. I hate, hate, hate day 1 in large games. That's why I would rather replace in a large game then start in day 1.

Between cow and qwints just the solo read alone I think cow is scummier.
I know this will be an odd thing to be picky about but I didnt' get the I will be gone for 4 or 5 days you can replace me if neccessary comment. It's only 5 days why state that you could be replaced? What mod would replace someone who is going to be gone less then a week? Plus it comes when he is getting pressure about his wanting the vig to claim.
Know no I'm not saying he planned it his leave and the pressure. I'm saying stating he can be replaced looks like a cheap way out. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I also don't like his vote on qwints with nothing there.

vote: hascow

Not IIoA - and while farside22's last point looks misguided, she's got a good catch on that hascow post (for reference, hascow = Slicey).

If hascow is telling the truth, he can be (1) nightkilled or (2) prove his ability.

Seeing cow's claim. Although I don't like it I agree with the above.

unvote:
vote: stark

I dont' agree with the qwints wagon at all.

Again, her reaction to the qwints wagon is a vanilla town tell.

Why would you role block a cop? He should give up something if he has info or he most likely will be killed by scum. I don't like the claim. Something feels wrong but I'm going to see if he comes up with anything as proff first. Why do you want him to not get results?

Someone missed the point...

What I saying is that I hope hascows isn't scum and he'll just claim to be "roleblocked" at the beginning of each day in order to put off having to prove his role.

Also, are you seriously asking why a mafia roleblocker would role block a cop?

Your asking him to be blocked are you telling the scum to block him for a reason? I don't get why? I was a role cop and town once. It was quiet helpful even if the scum (cough another game with DGB) tried to make me look scummy for the role so don't mind be for giving him a shot.
Hascow can confirm town with that role. Did you miss that? I think you believe he is going to lie and with that you are giving him an out. Seriously we dont' know (execpt scum) if there is a scum role blocker but I would hope if we have a town role blocker they won't block cow.

Farside22 has bad reading comprehension, but there's a valid point hiding in here, now that I think about it... why *wasn't* hasdgfas/Slicey blocked N1, given that we now KNOW the scum had a roleblocker? I guess the Mafia could have decided that Caboose was a bigger threat even if hasdgfas was town, but given their role names...

Just an fyi about what I find with kmd is meta. Being a mod and having kmd as town and mafia in my games sometimes I feel like I see a difference.

Kmd: Joke votes camn. I've seen him do this before with Zazie where they were both scum buddies.
I see nothing wrong with TSQ having a serious vote so early in the game. Why the issue?
Don't like Kmd's following of Yos on the Zwet wagon. Also this:

This is a good point. If he's scum dayvig, I don't want to give him a chance to shoot a townie.

Odds of shooting townie is higher. Scum however fear vigs more then town do.

I honestly don't think scum would come right out and say something like what Sam did just because of alignment. The argument on TSQ though, I can buy. Still think a Zwet lynch is better, but if that's not going to happen, I'm prepared to switch to TSQ.

IE: I will go where ever the most vote are and give up my push easily.


Why would scum use code when they can talk at night?

Makes a big post in regards to catching up but notice not really scum suspects.

Next post Does a PBPA on Qwints: Why him?
Personally I don't like catch up and then a PBPA on one player without a reason.

That's just my RVS style. I do it in pretty much every game I play with people who have been in other games I've enjoyed.

ORLY! Be back to this one in a second. Yup this is true. I see it now.


Buddies up to Camn a lot. Why you don't know her alignment right. Why buddy with her?



Qwints turned out town what does that say about your day 1 push?
Xly always lurker votes. It's a null tell.

Wait now tajo. What the heck happened with Xyl? Now Camn is on your list after all that day 1 buddy up?

Seriously I see soft scum bussing all over Camn on this.

Qwints caught my attention based on gut. I looked into it and saw a case. I posted that case. Is that scummy?

Its scummy as it came from out of nowhere. Thin air PBPA without reasoning or thoughts before. Yay I see it as scummy. Or if you like better.
Scum attempting to look town.

How have I buddied with camn? And if you think I did, how was it any different from this game where we were both town?

Why buddy up? You dont' do it with Llama till you feel he is town. You don't do it with others I have seen in a game when your town unless you feel they are town. I know you and your defending me without a reason.
Yay all this just doesnt' sit well with me.

Qwints being town means I was wrong. What more do you expect me to say?

Why did you feel so strong about a case on him when his soft claim and comments didn't match up to your reasoning?
I mean seriously all you said after that case is I like Qwints lynch over and over again.

Xyl claimed and became basically confirmed. Why am I going to go after someone who is basically confirmed? And I can't be suspicious of someone if I previously thought they were town? Can you honestly tell me you have NEVER changed your mind on someone as town?

Why tajo? I understand chaning your mind but I've gotten nothing but town vibes from tajo.

See comments in bold.

There were many times you made joke comments to Camn and back and forth but by for this quote was the worse I say.

Well... Camn says she's biased on me and I think I feel the same with her. I see her massively buddying up to Yos with the "legend" comment, but one of my points against her in Tranquility was buddying up to Rishi early in the game. Remember that she was town... I don't even know what tells to look for with her because I was so wrong on her in the other game. =/

Hey camn. Wanna use Zwet to see if my Gambit (actually an analysis strategy more than a Gambit when I use it like this) works better on a confirmed town wagon? hasdgfas, Thestatusquo, Yosarian2, scotmany12, sam.samhorn, Kmd4390. Those were the Zwet voters. (Actually, at quick glance, Qwints, Caboose, and Cow all were voting Zwet at one point too.) I bet we can find an experienced scum or 2 or maybe even 3 on this wagon. Qwints, Yos, TSQ would be my top choices. Cow and Scot are meh as well. So yeah, I'm doing this again based on the simple fact that Zwet was town. Stef being scum ruined the hell out of it last time. I'm gonna piss off Camn here and say this: My analysis strategy reinforces my scum read on Qwints. It also reinforces any suspicion I may get on any of these players later.

I need to read another game to see meta? Ugh do I have time for that right now?
No

Someone else want to fill me in if this was norm?

Please don't I consider it a null tell if so. Scum/ town it's easy to buddy up to people. I tend to believe scum before town in cases but if you have history of it in one game fine but that's one game. You show me other games I might reconsider it more.

Starts to make a coherent case against Kmd, but never votes for him. Usually, I'd call that a bussing tell, but I'm not so sure here: the first of these posts occured on 03/13/2009 at 11:05 A.M, the last occured at 12:18 P.M of the same day and OGML announced the dayvigging of Kmd at 12:24 P.M. on the same day. That, to me, implies that it's possible that farside would have switched over to Kmd if not for him getting dayvigged.

I WANT BOTH KOREJORA AND FARSIDE TO CLAIM IN THEIR NEXT POST.

Why? Are you lynching me? Does your need for my claim mean that much in this game?

DGB I know I'm town. Dont know why you think Camn isn't scum but if you think stark is still scum and after the horride claim from him yesterday I would lynch him as well.

unvote:
vote: Stark

@tajo: Answer the above questions then I will claim.

Yuck, that's very scummy.

Why? Are you lynching me? Does your need for my claim mean that much in this game?

Yes it does, on account of TSQ's suspicious interactions with you. We want to be sure we're lynching the right player.

I dont' know about korejora, but I know I'm just a vanilla townie. Not worth crap in this game. My name is Dante Alighieri. I got a brief discription of the guy and my win condition is getting rid of threats to the town.

I hate being vanilla. I find it quite boring.

Consistent with her reaction to qwints's play.

Why is sam town over me tajo? I dont' care if you lynch me today. I even believe the lynch should be sam or me. That get's rid of town vanilla's with no confirmation.

This kind of play (pushing for a lynch on either herself or sam.samhorn) is absolutely SUICIDAL as scum - the only time I've ever seen it happen before is with CKD in Mafia 75. If Farside is Mafia, she must be really, REALLY demoralized Mafia.

Hell, it reminds me of MY play in Mafia 75 (where I was extremely scummy-looking vanilla and would have pushed through my own lynch on the last day if not for the last scum CKD getting to lynch count before I did so).

its obvious from a reread and my feelings ALL the gam.
you are not playing your town meta and your play here reminds me of some play where you have been scum before.... (still ongoing but you know what im talking about)
and sam is too polemic to be scum.

vote : farside

i really REALLY prefer farside being lynched now instead of sam.
I also think Slicey is town.

I hope this game teach's you that your meta read on me sucks. Unless your scum and have everyone fooled but I don't believe you are scum I just think you need to adjust your thinking to the fact I HATE BEING VANILLA

She's really being quite consistent here.

I can't even go away for a weekend and you want to prod me!
No offense but I actually have a life and was celebrating Aerin's birthday on Saturday and taking care of him on Sunday so no weekend prods.

Now for flavor on my character.

I'm Dante Alighieri - time period is 1265 - 1321 I wrote the Divine Comedy. I'm a poet from Florence.
Townie basically.

I really, really like this claim - given what I know, that's EXACTLY what I'd expect from a vanilla townie. (Yes, that includes the "from Florence", especially since Florence was so important to the real-life Dante.)

I get the strong impression that this claim is paraphrased from an actual mod PM, and I don't think OGML has taken to giving his Mafiosos the Mafia Falseclaim ability.

I really just can't feel comfortable with lynching Slicey. I don't know I just get this feeling like I'm being manipulated by Tar.
I really think Sam or I should be lynched and if you really feel Slicey is scum kill him tonight. I mean did he say he was immune to NK's or something?

I have severe difficulty seeing this insistence about lynching a claimed vanilla over a claimed power role come from a Mafioso.

Last point in farside's favor: Scotmany attacked farside22 very heavily D2 and D3, and he seems to have largely ignored other Mafiosos rather than bus.

Farside hasn't played well this game, but I'm pretty sure she's town. I could grudginly accept a farside lynch today, but I'd really rather lynch samhorn if we're not lynching Slicey.

[Tarhalindur]

Also, now that I think about it: Scotmany12 needs to claim as well.

I second this motion.

What? I already know who he is.

Wait a minute...

Tajo, explain this post in full. NOW.

I thought scotmany was Robin Hood.

Okay, that makes sense.

(Also, I need to keep in mind that Scotmany attacked you for attacking Kmd. That's Chainsaw Defense, and that's a huge point in your favor.)

[populartajo]

Tar, Ill give you my thoughts of your comments of farside after my showa.
Can you try a similar exercise with sam?
Camn, why the unvote?

[camn]

I vote with Tar.

Tar unvoted.. So do I.

[populartajo]

I vote with Tar.

Tar unvoted.. So do I.

So youll vote anyone that tar votes?

[camn]

Yep.

Except me or him.

[camn]

Can we kill now?
This is getting pretty boring for an almost certain town win......

Pop... you are taking a pretty long shower, dude.

[populartajo]

Can we kill now?
This is getting pretty boring for an almost certain town win......

Pop... you are taking a pretty long shower, dude.

lulz. and im going to take another one right now.
ill be back soon.

any news on Slicey?

[camn]

Lets just kill. Anyone?

Slicey now.
Samhorn tonight.
Farside tomorrow.
Poptajo tomorrow night.

(though I doubt we will need to even kill samhorn.)

[populartajo]

Camn, give me a reason why sam should die before farside.
Maybe you can entertain yourself doing that.

[camn]

It doesn't matter!

Lets go:

Slicey now.
Farside tonight.
Samhorn tomorrow.
Poptajo tomorrow night. ..

then!!

c

[Slicey]

Sorry, completely forgot about this game.

I'm still really uneasy on camn. She has provided lots of evidence that she softclaimed 3-shot vig, but what's to say she set up a fake claim from the beginning? However, I'd say we should lynch one of the vanillas, preferably sam, because I cannot see how farside is even remotely scummy. You can kill me tonight if you want Tar/camn, if sam isn't scum.

As for the case one me, I can't really respond to any of it, because it's based on setup speculation, not mine or cow's play.

If the game isn't over by tomorrow, lynch camn. I have a good feeling neither Tajo or farside is scum.

[farside22]

Tar, Ill give you my thoughts of your comments of farside after my showa.
Can you try a similar exercise with sam?
Camn, why the unvote?

Why don't you dispute it or explain how sam is town.
God I'm sick of your non responses. At least I'm stating a good reason for lynching myself or sam where both sam and slicey are attacking Camn and no one is f@#$ing paying attention to this????
My god and I thougth I was lazy this game.

Sam or Slicey. I prefer Sam because I think town should lynch the vanilla but that's my 2 cents. If Slicey is immune to NK then maybe he should be lynched today. I don't know he really hasn't said anything today that makes me feel warm and fuzzy.

[camn]

If he is NK immune we can lynch him tomorrow!

We win any which way. Lets just get to killing!

@slicey, you never explained how I knew to choose 3 kills.... if it isn't true!

[Tarhalindur]

Looking it over:

- We autowin in either of the following situations: there is 1 Mafioso surviving, or there is 1 Mafioso + 1 SK alive and we lynch the Mafioso today (lynching SK first is a horrible idea, because the only possible SK - camn - comprises 50% of the Vehm and is therefore key to ensuring the deaths of all Mafia).

- Camn can't be Mafia, but it is weakly possible that she is SK. She cannot, however, be SK if Slicey is scum, because if she was the game would be horribly balanced against the town.
- populartajo, despite his single-minded insistence on farside being scum, is probably town, given how strong his play before today was.
- farside22 is probably town, given how strongly she crumbed vanilla town early and some good play on Day 2.
- Slicey is probably the last scum. There is, however, a caveat: if camn is SK, Slicey cannot be scum. Moreover, given his proven ability (role name cop), Slicey should not be NK immune. Due to this, we should be better off Vehm-killing Slicey tonight, because we don't gain anything by lynching him instead of killing him (Slicey-Mafia, camn-SK is implausible at best given game balance) and we DO gain something by not killing him today if he is, somehow, town (at least a 33% chance that we can autowin even if camn is SK).

That leaves sam.samhorn, who is the only other plausible candidate for being scum, whose play today is potentially consistent with trying to deconfirm a townie (so is tajo's, but tajo has stronger early play), and who was one of the last players to claim (less chance of counterclaim).

Lynch sam.samhorn
Vehm kill Slicey
If we kill scum and the game continued, lynch camn (quickly if the last scum successfully killed). If we didn't kill scum, lynch/vig populartajo and farside tomorrow (probably farside then poptajo).

The game shouldn't last until then, however.

I'm ready.

Vote: sam.samhorn

[camn]

Yay!!

Vote x 2 Sam.samhorn

BOOM HAMMAH!

[camn]

oops.

VOTE x 2: samhorn

[Slicey]

Vote: sam.samhorn

[camn]

What happened to your case on me?

And I already hammered.

[Slicey]

I don't have a case on you. It's more gut than anything else. There's something nagging in the back of my head that you're an SK, even though I can't explain it.

Doesn't it take 4 to lynch?

[camn]

I wish I was. This would have been an epic chance to win.

and yeah, 4. (Farside, Tar, camn, camn, slicey.)

COME ON OGML!!! Lets see whats up!

[OhGodMyLife]

Vote Count:

4 to lynch

sam.samhorn: 4 (farside22, Tarhalindur, camn, camn)
farside22: 1 (populartajo)
camn: 1 (sam.samhorn)

Not Voting: 1 (Slicey)

A motivated and very bloodthirsty camn seals sam.samhorn's fate with a flourish. He has very little to say on the subject, and dies with a far off look in his eyes, as if imagining a new world where violence is not always the answer.

sam.samhorn -

Leif Erikson, Town Vanilla

- Lynched Day Four

It is now Night Four. Deadline for night actions is Saturday, April 18th at 10 PM Eastern.

[OhGodMyLife]

The last rays of the sun haven't even disappeared from the sky before the most restless denizens of the town are out and about again, and it comes to a final showdown. The duelists are Tarhalindur and Slicey, squaring off in ancient fashion. Blows are dealt back and forth, but in the end Tarhalindur quails before the zealous wrath of Slicey and a fire is set in his flesh. Fortunately, Tarhalindur brought a second to the duel, something that Slicey did not have the luxury of doing, and she makes short work of avenging her fallen comrade. Taking them down from the gallows and the trees, she puts the bodies of all the evildoers into the flames along with Tarhalindur, and its not long before populartajo and farside22 put aside their differences and join her to roast marshmallows and revel in being alive.

Tarhalindur -

The Venerable Bede, Town Vanilla,

Free Judge

- Burnt to Death Night Four

Slicey -

Tomás de Torquemada, Mafia Rolename Cop

- Hung from a Tree Night Four

farside22 -

Dante Alighieri, Town Vanilla

- Survived

populartajo -

Temüjin, Town Tracker

- Survived

camn -

Hereward the Wake, Town Limited Shot Vigilante,

Free Judge

- Survived

Town Wins. Congratulations!