In post 2382, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Also, VCA is where you look at the vote counts only, Voided, in case you didn't know that.
Okay, so it is. That still doesn't excuse you from not tying why I voted the way I did with what I said when I made the vote or around that timeframe, or else your entire analysis pretty much falls flat.
In post 2382, 1baldeagle1 wrote:My conclusion with the VCA is that Voided has been coasting through the game by just staying on some random wagon then he quietly hops on the lynching wagon.
I didn't "quietly" hop on the Hermy wagon, so your point here is...?
Yes, I still think you're scum. You just aren't a high-priority scumread for me right now, partially because I can tell that the majority of the (active) playerlist would not support me in wagoning you at this point, partially because someone like Nero's been scummier than you. You can deride my decision not to vote you all you want, and you can call me scum because I'm scumreading you but not voting you, but I at least have the awareness to know when an action is futile.
I can vote you right now, though, if it'll really make you feel better.
In post 2381, Lord Mhork wrote:So can we start voting Nero so he'll start posting again? It'll be really fun I promise.
Heh.
Vote: Nero
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:01 pm
by Lord Mhork
I was talking to you, upside.
VOTE: Nero
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:07 pm
by Magua
Vote Count 3.6
With 18 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.
Nero Cain (4): Lost Butterfly, zMuffinMan, VoidedMafia, Lord Mhork
VoidedMafia (2): 1baldeagle1, BBmolla
KingdomAces (1): Garuda
Seanald (1): ProHawk
Not Voting (10): PeregrineV, Nero Cain, Seanald, pieguyn, morph the cat, Ghostly Penguin, Harakiri, uʍop ǝpısdn, KingdomAces, JacobSavage
Deadline for Day 3 is Tuesday, November 12th, at 3:00pm EST (site time).
Countdown to deadline:
(expired on 2013-11-12 15:00:00)
Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:19 pm
by pieguyn
the people on the Nero wagon are kind of freaking me out
vote: Seanald
I feel most comfortable here atm. combination of others' meta arguments and some stuff from his ISO. overall, it seems like he's posting enough not to be seen as an outright lurker, but isn't really posting much real content. I saw at least 3 posts in his ISO that are just asking people to confirm stuff. it seems like he could be trying to make sure he doesn't get heat for screwing something up.
Spoiler: the at least 3 posts
In post 905, Seanald wrote:Are we advertising claiming for last night? Or still putting it together for N0?
Advo'd for market analyst last night and bid the fuck outta night kill, didn't win that though.
I addmittedly know next to nothing about Dr. pepper, but if he is the plan to increase our wages then so be it.
Also I hope everyone has read "The Plan"
That was the final draft of the plan correct?
In post 2336, Seanald wrote:Ok still here, been away for a bit with all the halloween stuff going on.
read most of the pages, are we still claiming the night actions stuff? cuz I did advertise the $5 on each, I was also a bit selfish and bid on something, then transfered the rest to 1 of the big six. Since I've been away, I don't feel like claiming everything outright specificly right now.
I'll look more into what's happened recently later
In post 2382, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Also, VCA is where you look at the vote counts only, Voided, in case you didn't know that.
Okay, so it is. That still doesn't excuse you from not tying why I voted the way I did with what I said when I made the vote or around that timeframe, or else your entire analysis pretty much falls flat.
In post 2382, 1baldeagle1 wrote:My conclusion with the VCA is that Voided has been coasting through the game by just staying on some random wagon then he quietly hops on the lynching wagon.
I didn't "quietly" hop on the Hermy wagon, so your point here is...?
Yes, I still think you're scum. You just aren't a high-priority scumread for me right now, partially because I can tell that the majority of the (active) playerlist would not support me in wagoning you at this point, partially because someone like Nero's been scummier than you. You can deride my decision not to vote you all you want, and you can call me scum because I'm scumreading you but not voting you, but I at least have the awareness to know when an action is futile.
I can vote you right now, though, if it'll really make you feel better.
In post 2381, Lord Mhork wrote:So can we start voting Nero so he'll start posting again? It'll be really fun I promise.
Heh.
Vote: Nero
Yes you did, you quietly hopped on the Hermy wagon (if you look at the vote counts) after being on the Hiraki wagon all day. Also, I didn't call you scum because you're scumreading me, that's a misrep. I'm calling you scum for just coasting through the game by staying on one wagon then jumping on the lynching wagon at the end. Lol, even more discredit, I'm not surprised because you're scum.
Also, I like how you vote for Nero after I called you out for not voting for your so called "scumreads". Why didn't you vote him sooner?
In post 2382, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Also, Voided and upside down, your discredit has been noted.
Thank you. It very a very important thing to note and hope you left room in your notebook.
Oh, don't worry, there's plenty of room left!
What other useful tidbits have you noted?
Stuff. Like, what I did with my money.
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:53 am
by Ghostly Penguin
Almost to Page 60. The thing that strikes me is how much my reads HAVEN'T changed:
Town: LB, Pyro, BE (who went from he's light scum to I can't picture him being scum...thank you Day 1's), Garuda (light), Morph (light), Harakiri (who reads so incredibly town to me), Muffin
Null: VM (not sure what to think here), PV (who always reads scummy to me, so I'm going to fucking ignore this a few days. Oh, btw, what isn't cute and gets me to flip fucking tables? Mentioning I'm ignoring this), Mhork (who is going to light town because of his argument with Upside I mention later)
Scum: Prohawk (his biggest wall was analysis instead of information), Molla), Mhork (really light, everyone's on his ass, and it's the first major wagon of the day, which in Ghostlin's experience is rarely correct. I'll see if it's a 'sticky' wagon), Klick, Seanald (all of which are suspected for being fucking useless; also it's really kinda of funny that Seanald said 'I'll see you day 2' and then Deadline got activated.), Upside (both PA and I have really bad feelings here, but I can't vocalize it. It's different than voided; I hate his argument with Mhork when Mhork requested he not shit up the thread, for example), NC (...you're playing this game, right?)
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:54 am
by Ghostly Penguin
Also, I have been reading since I've replaced in, so it's been about 10 pages, so I figure I'm 7/9ths read @ this point.
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 5:58 am
by Voidedmafia
In post 2410, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Yes you did, you quietly hopped on the Hermy wagon (if you look at the vote counts)
A.) I can't "quietly" hop onto anything here when I was one of the first five people to vote Hermy. "Quietly" implies I went onto her wagon with as little fanfare as possible or something similar, not loudly agreeing with those who initially suspected her.
B.) You're still not really taking in the whole picture.
In post 2410, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Also, I didn't call you scum because you're scumreading me, that's a misrep.
Lol. Did I say that was your only reason, or that it even was? Getting nervous because your analysis isn't getting you the support you wanted? I'm glad you can resort to strawmen now to try and keep it afloat, or you can kindly quote things better to enlighten us.
In post 2410, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Lol, even more discredit, I'm not surprised because you're scum.
Even if I was scum, doesn't necessarily mean I'm just discrediting. Perhaps, yknow, I'm actually speaking the truth and it is just bullshit.
In post 2410, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Also, I like how you vote for Nero after I called you out for not voting for your so called "scumreads". Why didn't you vote him sooner?
Because I can vote when I want to. Trying to imply something here?
In post 2398, uʍop ǝpısdn wrote:Thank you. It very a very important thing to note and hope you left room in your notebook.
ud, it's nice to know what you think, but why didn't you delve more into why it was pointless?
P-EDIT: Ghostlin, you have mhork twice on your reads. One's null, the other's scum. Is the 2nd one a typo for someone else?
I sent her $25 because Pyro was a strong townread of mine.
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:12 am
by 1baldeagle1
Voided, if you were town, wouldn't you be more eager to catch scum, rather than waiting for someone to call you out for it?
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:01 am
by KingdomAces
Okay, I put this off a lot longer than I should have, but I'm starting to read again. Any questions you want to make while I'm reading would be appreciated.
Also, I'm too busy reading this game to check, but wasn't there a press against Voided in Marketplace Mafia II for the exact same reasons that he is being suspected this time? I just got a strange sense of deja vu for some reason.
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:11 am
by Voidedmafia
In post 2417, 1baldeagle1 wrote:Voided, if you were town, wouldn't you be more eager to catch scum, rather than waiting for someone to call you out for it?
Now who says I'm not eager? Are you trying to say that because I didn't vote Nero right away at daystart, I'm not acting town? Or that plus you're trying to imply I voted because of you? That's the best you can do here?
Nice to see "Voided" and "town" so near and related to each other from you after awhile, though. Shame it has nothing to do with actually wondering if I'm town and is only a conditional.
Pie, Seanald still looks like idiot/stupidtown to me. I see your point, though.
Aces: ...there was?
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 9:24 am
by KingdomAces
My memory is terrible, and I haven't looked at that game since it happened. I just think I remember that happening, but I'm not sure at all. That's why it's a question and not a statement.
Anyway, why were you getting so angry at ProHawk when you voted him earlier in the post. If you thought he was scum, wouldn't you just explain how bad his posts were, and use that to add to your case? The only reason to get angry at someone for supposedly making really stupid statements was if you thought they were misguided town.
WE HAD THREE DAYS TO LYNCH SOMEBODY!! YOU CANNOT DO ANYTHING -BUT- SPEEDLYNCH SOMEBODY IN THAT TIMEFRAME, YOU IDIOT!
In post 913, ProHawk wrote:
No evidence
WISHY-WASHY-NESS/NON-COMMITTAL-NESS TO THE TWO LARGEST WAGONS AT THE TIME!
HOW ARE THOSE NOT EVIDENCE?!
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:26 am
by morph the cat
So i'm running through day one and two looking at the townblock {exlcuding pyro, obviously, and adding in nacho/empire} ISO set for left/right crumbs. Having one scum in that subset makes the most sense given the missing night kill. feel free to do so yourself, guys. Does anyone that played marketplace 1/2 remember if there were scum-to-scum crumbs in the prior games?
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 10:37 am
by KingdomAces
In 1, they didn't win together, and all scum had a way of communicating separate from the thread anyway. I don't really remember 2 all that well though.
I don't think it's worth bothering to check though, since it's posted in the OP that the factions are right-hand and left-hand. It would be suicidal to make that sort of crumb.
The fact that Pyro was the main person being so paranoid about the hydra's and causing a massive argument, then getting killed, makes me think that there's a decent enough chance that at least one of the people they were being paranoid over there is scum. Will try to determine who when I'm done reading.
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 12:04 pm
by KingdomAces
I find Garuda's comments on Dr. Pepper in 1306 strange. At this point he seemed not all that much different from Guille/Bankai, but he specifically commented about DP and none of the other near lurkers. In the post after that he calls Seanald a second tier townread with absolutely no explanation, when he'd done nothing even remotely town at that point.
I'm also finding his insistence on Zdenck town strange considering his current opinions on me, but I'll wait until I actually see their full trajectory on this before pushing it.
Posted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 1:37 pm
by KingdomAces
Up to 60. I don't think I can read any more for today, but I should still be around to respond for a while.
Now that I've actually seen content from PV and Pie, I'm definitely getting townreads on them. Morph paranoia is going up, but they're still leaning town.
If this were a bastard game I'd call N scum and Quilford town, especially with N pressing how many times N says that Quilford is obvtown, but it isn't so I'll just go with town on that slot.
