Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[fferyllt]

Likely me why?

~m

Was it a hello vote?

[Nashville Dreams]

Likely me why?

~m

Was it a hello vote?

Uuh, that game was so long ago, but probably?

Why?

~M

[fferyllt]

Executive Producer

Name?

I still want to see if Titus has an actual reason for saying that all executives are scum.

Titus have you addressed this?

[fferyllt]

Likely me why?

~m

Was it a hello vote?

Uuh, that game was so long ago, but probably?

Why?

~M

To buldermar?

[Nashville Dreams]

To you probably.

Also I think she already addressed the prior, yes.

~M

[fferyllt]

I can't decide which was the mafia nk and which was the vig-kill. Leaning towards FT being nk'd as he tends to be a wildcard.

~ F-16

I don't see why FT would be killed unless his reads were lightning good (and they were pretty fluid through EoD which makes it seem even less likely he'd be killed for that)
He was almost lynched yesterday
He is part of the neighborhood which makes having a PR outside of that less likely

Someone said ika was crumbing a PR but I can't find it in his ISO

-b

Agreed. I've gotta think it was a vig. He would be a really really odd scum kill.
I'm thinking we've got one scumteam and a vig, and likely neutral/s.

Also that means one of these things:
1. 5-off's "there is scum in the neighborhood" is true and he is town - thus either baboon is scum or there is a lurkerscum in there. I want to lean towards the latter because I think baboon is town... I don't know what to think.
2. 5-off is lying scum.
3. "rumors" is just that. It's not mod lying if it's not flat-out confirmed, is it? Hmm.
4. It's a really long-running town gambit in which case TELL US NOW 5-OFF DAMMIT. but I doubt that's the case at this point, I'm just not thinking it's a good idea to rule anything out completely yet.

ika would be an odd kill if he hadn't flat out stated he had a pr. he IS still an odd kill. he was seriously tunneling nashville and not much else by end of day.

Can someone from the neighborhood post what FT's last thoughts were before he was killed?

~ F-16

Unfortunately nothing has been said in there by anyone since the 3rd around when we were outed. :/

Also either scum blew a strongman last night or the mod fuckup involves ika being dead when he should not be dead (which is actually pretty plausible)

-b

I was assuming that was the mod error. Considering it was ika that was given an honorary win.


I need to look back at people's interactions with Honey.

I think there's another option here.

[fferyllt]

To you probably.

Also I think she already addressed the prior, yes.

~M

hmm.

We'd played one game together at that point, plus nearly cross paths in another where you replaced in after I was dead.

I was looking for examples of you hello-voting players you hadn't played tons of games with.

[fferyllt]

I think FT was probably the scum kill because of how sticky his wagon was through much of day 1, and the honey bee flip made him look likely town. His trajectory on Honey bee would have been a hard sell as a bus.

Bork are you still feeling squinty-eyed about me? If you are, do you think you can work with me a little anyway? I kinda need your thoughts on something.

I'm feeling more strongly this was a scum kill, mostly because "brutally murdered" or w/e the phrasing was in red font.

The other kill is in the same font as the rest of the post.

The post was edited about 2 minutes before Nati made the post about mod error.

I wonder what was changed about that post. :/

[Nashville Dreams]

Ah.

I really don't think my RVS are alignment indicate in any way. I think I just tend to RVS those I know?

~M

[fferyllt]

Thanks for reminding me about Baboon.
Ceph, why, upon the hood being outted, did you go "I can't do my clever hood plan now!" ? I thought about it and the hood being outted didn't really hurt your plan whatsoever. What hurt it was when you told us what the plan would have been. Why didn't you just keep going with the plan?

Because:
-There was no longer even the slightest smidge of trust going on there anymore
-All activity there ceased permanently the moment we were outted
-I had to come out in public re: my belief that FT was the scum neighbor, which would make the whole thing worthless

These flips are sort of breaking my head, but the first thing that comes to mind is the large number of big scary town players who didn't get shot.

-Ceph

I do feel that all the big scary players still being alive does kinda point toward the possibility one or more are scum. But...

- this game is a mix of players who play together a lot and players who don't. It's quite possible that opinions on who is scary differ.
- scum might have gone a little bonkers trying to figure out who they wanted to remove wouldn't also be a decent protection choice.

This game would have given me fits trying to figure out who to n1k if I were scum.

As an aside, it would be awfully heavy-handed of ceph to orchestrate a counter-intuitive kill and then point out it's counter-intuitive so early in the day.

[fferyllt]

Can't really argue with the results there.

Other things on my radar:
I'm still worried about the AK 'item' thing; I see no one that has telegraphed being able to give an item, a whole bunch of people who I'm pretty sure can't, and if such a person exists I am wondering why they didn't target AK

Nashville still bugs me and probably will bug me as long as Titus keeps Titusing (the fucking town beard thing I interpreted as "we're town enabling scum to achieve their wincon by having bad reads" and, well, after last nights flip my reaction is a big fat fucking *wanking motion*)

5-off has coasted off that early towncred from the claim and done little else, and that's another place I wouldn't mind shining a light today.

ffery how likely do you think it is that the hood has a tacit scum observer in it and the posting members (5-off/lissa/bp) are all town?

-b

eavesdroppers are a thing. It's possible that there's a scum neighbor who chose not to be active after 5-off's post. It's possible there's a scum player with a traditional eavesdropping role (and 5-off's role pm might be suggesting that rather than the former).

I don't have a real sense of the likelihood. Kinda leaning toward maybe 50-50 that one of those two possibilities is actually in play.

Another possibility is a neutral neighbor.

[fferyllt]

Can't really argue with the results there.

Other things on my radar:
I'm still worried about the AK 'item' thing; I see no one that has telegraphed being able to give an item, a whole bunch of people who I'm pretty sure can't, and if such a person exists I am wondering why they didn't target AK

Nashville still bugs me and probably will bug me as long as Titus keeps Titusing (the fucking town beard thing I interpreted as "we're town enabling scum to achieve their wincon by having bad reads" and, well, after last nights flip my reaction is a big fat fucking *wanking motion*)

5-off has coasted off that early towncred from the claim and done little else, and that's another place I wouldn't mind shining a light today.

ffery how likely do you think it is that the hood has a tacit scum observer in it and the posting members (5-off/lissa/bp) are all town?

-b

eavesdroppers are a thing. It's possible that there's a scum neighbor who chose not to be active after 5-off's post. It's possible there's a scum player with a traditional eavesdropping role (and 5-off's role pm might be suggesting that rather than the former).

I don't have a real sense of the likelihood. Kinda leaning toward maybe 50-50 that one of those two possibilities is actually in play.

This is sorta what I was thinking -

hopefully 5-off didn't immediately go into the thread and say "guys there is scum here."

Because why wouldn't the scum just lurk?

Did a neighbor comment on this?

[fferyllt]

Thanks for reminding me about Baboon.
Ceph, why, upon the hood being outted, did you go "I can't do my clever hood plan now!" ? I thought about it and the hood being outted didn't really hurt your plan whatsoever. What hurt it was when you told us what the plan would have been. Why didn't you just keep going with the plan?

Because:
-There was no longer even the slightest smidge of trust going on there anymore
-All activity there ceased permanently the moment we were outted
-I had to come out in public re: my belief that FT was the scum neighbor, which would make the whole thing worthless

These flips are sort of breaking my head, but the first thing that comes to mind is the large number of big scary town players who didn't get shot.

-Ceph

You know, you and Mara are one of the big scary town players, right?

Are we? I did nothing but push town to death yesterday.

Posts like this are why I scumread you Ceph.

CS, patience. I will be out most of the day, Mala and I need to sync and something else needs to happen. Give us 48 hours tops.

~Titus

re the bolded, why is that?

[fferyllt]

who is using bork?

I was thinking my scumteam from yesterday. Given HB flipped scum, that needs revision.

I still want to understand this. How do you use players like bork as scum? And who was doing that in this game?

[Anatole Kuragin]

Can't really argue with the results there.

Other things on my radar:
I'm still worried about the AK 'item' thing; I see no one that has telegraphed being able to give an item, a whole bunch of people who I'm pretty sure can't, and if such a person exists I am wondering why they didn't target AK

Nashville still bugs me and probably will bug me as long as Titus keeps Titusing (the fucking town beard thing I interpreted as "we're town enabling scum to achieve their wincon by having bad reads" and, well, after last nights flip my reaction is a big fat fucking *wanking motion*)

5-off has coasted off that early towncred from the claim and done little else, and that's another place I wouldn't mind shining a light today.

ffery how likely do you think it is that the hood has a tacit scum observer in it and the posting members (5-off/lissa/bp) are all town?

-b

eavesdroppers are a thing. It's possible that there's a scum neighbor who chose not to be active after 5-off's post. It's possible there's a scum player with a traditional eavesdropping role (and 5-off's role pm might be suggesting that rather than the former).

I don't have a real sense of the likelihood. Kinda leaning toward maybe 50-50 that one of those two possibilities is actually in play.

This is sorta what I was thinking -

hopefully 5-off didn't immediately go into the thread and say "guys there is scum here."

Because why wouldn't the scum just lurk?

Did a neighbor comment on this?

posts 2056-2058 are the only results from that question

[fferyllt]

it probably looks like I'm focusing hard on Nashville right now. It's an artifact of my catching up and of their level of activity early day 2 I think.

[fferyllt]

<Mafia Win Condition> You win when the mafia controls the majority of living members of the game and no other factions remain.

Am I reading too much into "controls" here? Is that typical? I'm looking at other games' wincons and it's stuff like "when mafia obtains majority" or "you win when all town members are eliminated." I'm naturally a little uneasy then at the prospect that a player may be being "controlled" in a manner in which they seem to be brainwashed or drugged as fonz described it.

Though we could just be being paranoid, that seems a little worrisome.

Honey's PM doesn't give any indication that their night kill involves implicating a third player in the kill in some way.

True...


p-edit:

From a newbie nat recently hosted -

Welcome!

You are a Mafia Goon.

Your partner is PLAYER, who is a Mafia Goon/Roleblocker.

You share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional QT, located here, which you may talk in during pregame and night phases.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.

Ohh.
That's... interesting.

Newbie game roles are pretty formulaic.

Final Radiant Tales scum wincon http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5944441:

"<Corrupted Factional Win Condition> You win when players of your faction are the only ones remaining or nothing can prevent it."

Arcadia scum wincon http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5976961:

"<Usurper's Win Condition> You win when the Usurpers control half of the living players and all other anti-Court factions are dead."

Nati's mini normal game scum wincon: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5812132

"<Mafia Win Condition> You win when the mafia consists of half of all living players and all other non-town factions are dead"

I think the wording is significant.

In theory, corporations are controlled via stocks. and stocks = votes. Wondering if what happened to gossamer/f16 affects their vote.

F-16, could you put a vote down and see what happens in the next vote count?

[fferyllt]

In the Arcadia game, "control" didn't refer to a strange vote mechanic, though. It was a kill town until you win proposition for scum.

[OkaPoka]

Got a problem with me using my role for my advantage? It checks to see if flavor was correct and reduces the chance of a bs fakeclaim.

[Cutty Shark]

Note to self: look at Nashville's reaction to Csareo's claim and reasoning for subsequent scumread on that slot
God that's gonna require sifting through a pile of shit
I'm Mike Rowe

[fferyllt]

Got a problem with me using my role for my advantage? It checks to see if flavor was correct and reduces the chance of a bs fakeclaim.

your turn of phrase makes me wonder if your advantage is town's advantage.

[fferyllt]

Can't really argue with the results there.

Other things on my radar:
I'm still worried about the AK 'item' thing; I see no one that has telegraphed being able to give an item, a whole bunch of people who I'm pretty sure can't, and if such a person exists I am wondering why they didn't target AK

Nashville still bugs me and probably will bug me as long as Titus keeps Titusing (the fucking town beard thing I interpreted as "we're town enabling scum to achieve their wincon by having bad reads" and, well, after last nights flip my reaction is a big fat fucking *wanking motion*)

5-off has coasted off that early towncred from the claim and done little else, and that's another place I wouldn't mind shining a light today.

ffery how likely do you think it is that the hood has a tacit scum observer in it and the posting members (5-off/lissa/bp) are all town?

-b

eavesdroppers are a thing. It's possible that there's a scum neighbor who chose not to be active after 5-off's post. It's possible there's a scum player with a traditional eavesdropping role (and 5-off's role pm might be suggesting that rather than the former).

I don't have a real sense of the likelihood. Kinda leaning toward maybe 50-50 that one of those two possibilities is actually in play.

This is sorta what I was thinking -

hopefully 5-off didn't immediately go into the thread and say "guys there is scum here."

Because why wouldn't the scum just lurk?

Did a neighbor comment on this?

posts 2056-2058 are the only results from that question

then it's probably accurate. p sure the baboons would have been all over it if it weren't. regardless of any of the involved parties alignment.

[fferyllt]

Each night, you or one of your men can engineer an incident that would put another player out of comission for a while(kill them).

wait.

This is the mafia night kill language from honeybee's flip.

That sounds more like the ika kill.

[fferyllt]

I hadn't thought of this before, but I'm actually wondering if scum have fakeclaims in this setup (I have no idea whether or not it would have occurred to Nat to do that)

but if they do, it kinda makes the Lissa neighborhood argument way weaker

-b

In the Arcadia game (I was scum in that one) Nati would make fake claims on request. she didn't craft them in advance. Same when I was an SK in Rock Operafia.

So, the scum team may not have started the game with fake claims, but may have requested them right off the bat. I did when I was SK. I think I had a fake claim while we were still in confirmation stage.

[fferyllt]

I hadn't thought of this before, but I'm actually wondering if scum have fakeclaims in this setup (I have no idea whether or not it would have occurred to Nat to do that)

but if they do, it kinda makes the Lissa neighborhood argument way weaker

-b

This sounds insanely fake.

stahp