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↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

Sonic's Weekend edition special

So I've given you guys a sneak peek of my areas of concern with regard to GreyICE earlier today.

Spoiler: #556

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:There are a couple of other inconsistencies in the game that will cause you distress when I point them out.

1. GreyICE was hard championing the Sotty wagon earlier today. Now, he has taken a back seat, and you have taken lead on this front, effectively pushing it for him.

2.

↑ quadz08 wrote:Seraphim (4) - Metal Sonic, Sotty7, Albert B. Rampage, GreyICE

Not only is the Sotty wagon gone, GreyICE was swift to sheep you (and me) on the Seraphim wagon, abandoning his bloodlust for Sotty. With this naked vote:

↑ GreyICE wrote:

Vote: Seraphim

3.

↑ Albert B. Rampage wrote:G Ice, actually, I'd like you to tell me why Hoopla isn't a great lynch right now. It seems to me that she is.

He never actually responded to this. However, many of his posts prior to your call-out on #336 were lauds and praises for Hoopla's "town" analysis.

Firstly, let me explain my Sotty scumread. For me, it is based on poor reactions to jabs that I have observed in response to various players, including GreyICE.

Spoiler: Something old

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:I've been checking the thread all day but wasn't posting because I should do a long one at the com.

Just came in to report that the above post was extremely scummy for the above reasons:

1. Not denying that GreyICE's claim is absurd and/or not denying that her own slot is scum.
A town response would be either to dismiss GreYICE or because of the moral right that one has received a town PM, thus does not see the need to answer slanderous accusations. Sotty7 is going in-between, by discrediting GreyICE, while doing so in an indirect manner to suggest imposition and avoid conflict.

2. Accusatory instead of content
"I think that GreyICE"... In response to a push. Instead of providing content on other players or making a stand, Sotty's response was to attack GreyICE ad-hominem rather than something built in logic and/or ignoring the libelous arguments against herself. In no manner is any indication made of GreyICE's conclusion being called out right or wrong -- avoiding the topic of alignment altogether.


I wish I could post more but it's tough on a phone. Made this coherent and concise as possible.

Spoiler: Post of the day 3

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:So, a thousand or so words in and I haven't actually seen decent analysis or scumhunting from your slot. Okay, I have no idea how Sotty plays. I have never played with her before, no meta, and I have never heard of this player until I have joined this game.

But. A lack of scumhunting. Not trying to find out players' alignments. That's something to look out for, eh?

Okay, so anyway GreyICE was against Sotty because of the escapade with the "tokens" argument, which after my push for him to articulate his argument clearly in prose, was fundamentally wrong. Insofar I have agreed with his mafia theory, but that theory he did not apply specifically to the game in a logical manner. Therefore, GreyICE's initial reasons for scumreading Sotty were convoluted.

Spoiler: Not convincing enough?

Let's take another look for when GreyICE self-contradicts with regard to his read on Sotty.

↑ Kagami wrote:sotty is apparently pathetic and the worst liar ever. And is a legendary scum player in the next post.

And another one:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:This, dear class, is a textbook example of a self-contradiction. Distressingly, there are possible scum motivations for such a contradiction, which is regretful to hear from GreyICE.

(Okay, not in regard to Sotty, but Hoopla interactions are relevant too...)

Then later, I observed that GreyICE was no longer hard pushing Sotty; ABR took over the lead instead. Assume GreyICE scum. ABR would do the tough work of getting Sotty lynched, but GreyICE gets the easy part and a part of the town cred, potentially enabling him to survive for days. Not only that, in the future ABR will be pressured (Burden of Proficiency) to be hunting scum -- GreyICE will just sheep "whoever ABR votes". With a mislynch, ABR will be responsible, but with a successful scum lynch, GreyICE will be rewarded based on Vote Count Analysis (VCA). Tsk, GreyICE isn't ABR's lackey, it's the other way around!


Another perspective this can take is that GreyICE-scum's 'false push' had gone too fast. He was only intending to put pressure on Sotty early game to distance, or perhaps get some towncred if she flipped later in the game. To his horror, the bloodlust for Sotty was much larger than he had expected, therefore attempts were made to slow down the wagon -- we all have been briefed about how every scum lynch gives us another mislynch.

Then, we have this:

↑ Sotty7 wrote:GreyICE is a weird one for me. His attacks on me all game have been shitty but when he actually sits back and details things from a whole game preservative I can kinda understand where he is coming from.

Sotty's becomes more lax on GreyICE. No longer going heads-to-heads. Of course, given my theory that they are both scum, some things can be left unsaid in their public conversations in the thread. I have highlighted earlier her preference to call me out on my Sotty vote, yet conveniently overlooked GreyICE's obvious "appeasement of ABR"; simply omitting his scummy actions and hoping nobody sees them. HELLO, I SEE THEM.


There's also this very peculiar post that can be left to your own interpretation:

↑ GreyICE wrote:Wait, why are we on a wagon with Sotty

Why is Sotty even on this wagon? The reasoning isn't even paper thin, unless you're buying tissue paper.

I have the sort of lack of understanding of this game that is preferably solved by corpses. A pile of very specific corpses.

Let's come to the point of their mutual townreads on Hoopla. GreyICE's townread of Hoopla has already been pointed out by many to be, what I'd call "not legit". Incidentally, so has Sotty's townread on Hoopla. And it's not like the entire game is scumreading Hoopla because of these two players townreading Hoopla -- we genuinely see Hoopla as scum independently of their reads. So, how do these mysterious Hoopla townreads come about? Why are Sotty and GreyICE defending the same player with dubious methodologies? Aren't they supposedly at loggerheads with each other? Apparently not, as #605 shows...

↑ GreyICE wrote:Sorry I'm lynching you for the wrong reasons, scumbag.

↑ GreyICE wrote:I apologize that I caught you for the wrong reasons

↑ GreyICE wrote:one of the best scum tells in the whole wide world is when someone starts bitching that you're wagoning them for the "wrong reasons".

Of course you caught her for the wrong reasons! It's a screwed up, convoluted, calculated bus, and if GreyICE thinks that Sotty's lynch is going to win him a spot at Town Block 2015, I, as administrator, strip him of this privilege.

Conclusion

GreyICE's reasoning for his initial Sotty push was indeed for the 'wrong' reasons, and these only became apparent when I obliged him to write a longer paragraph detailing his thought processes. His actions after the wagon has started indicate a laid-back approach, as if he was expecting a large reward (town-cred) in return for his Sotty "push" -- the lack of true conviction in wanting a real scum lynched as compared to attempts receive the towncred is shown. Finally, both Sotty's and GreyICE's interactions and trajectories with regard to Hoopla are twisted, baffling, and bewildering, suggesting that they are scum together while performing an intricate strategy.