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Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:50 am
by ArcAngel9
In post 2393, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2385, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2379, MortFeld wrote:I did read that Chaos said he had a guilty on Toto, I didn't know JK blocked investigative roles.

Base Role


A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends to stopping every kill that would resolve on the target by default.
Because it is a combination Doctor and Roleblocker, Jailkeeper has a myriad of uses while not allowing broken combinations or exactly confirming anyone as Town or scum. Thus, it has risen to prominence as a very popular power role.
Because it is a Roleblocker, Jailkeeper is never allowed to self-target.
This role is a non-bastard version of Paranoid Doctor.

Read from here

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toto

That says it roleblocks the target and saves them from being killed. which means the cop positive would still happened as its not roleblocking people who targeted them. We just have a double positive on toto.

Hold. What are you saying ?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:51 am
by TwoFace
In post 2398, ChaosOmega wrote:Yeah, JK'ing Toto doesn't roleblock me from targeting them, what the fuck.
pretty sure it does

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:51 am
by Lil Uzi Vert
In post 2389, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2382, Shadow_step wrote:HS kill makes sense if Chaos is scum.
In post 2378, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2372, Shadow_step wrote:Why is Chaos faking a guilty on Toto, one scum down, he will only get one extra day.
I am bit surprised. It's a mad move. But there is way Chaos would get result on Toto unless I was role-blocked. A jail-keeper, Role block, Vig & cop. It's an impossible setup.
RB + JK is possible, but strongman + RB as scum roles sounds OP.

And can you all agree that I was right yesterday. All thought drama i had to go through to convince all of you. what a pain. :neutral:
You were right but I was also right about Drone. :D

Arc for MVP!

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:51 am
by ChaosOmega
No it fucking doesn't. A rolestopper is what you are thinking of.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:52 am
by Naomi-Tan
In post 2386, Shadow_step wrote:How did that cop claim go un fucking CCed then?
cause we don't have a cop in town setup to CC a red claim. duh... there is only 1 cop in the game. town or not. most likely town though given this double confirmation and given that its kinda madness to cop claim D1

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:52 am
by Shadow_step
FFS. some bold and ask the mod.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:53 am
by Shadow_step
Unvote Chaos now

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:53 am
by TwoFace
In post 2401, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2398, ChaosOmega wrote:Yeah, JK'ing Toto doesn't roleblock me from targeting them, what the fuck.
pretty sure it does
actually I stand corrected

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:53 am
by TwoFace
vote: toto

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:53 am
by ChaosOmega
Jailkeeper protects and roleblocks the target, it doesn't roleblock people targeting their target.

Just look on the MafiaWiki for Jailkeeper.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:54 am
by ArcAngel9
In post 2403, ChaosOmega wrote:No it fucking doesn't. A rolestopper is what you are thinking of.

Stop trying to manipulate.

Guys - Read this. Its explained here

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 58#p945058

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:54 am
by TwoFace
looking at the wiki, the role that stops a jk'd target from being investigated is a variant known as alien which is not normal.

toto is who we lynch today

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:55 am
by Shadow_step
@MOD, will an INVESTIGATIVE attempt on a JK target fail, or not.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:55 am
by Naomi-Tan
In post 2400, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2393, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2385, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2379, MortFeld wrote:I did read that Chaos said he had a guilty on Toto, I didn't know JK blocked investigative roles.

Base Role


A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends to stopping every kill that would resolve on the target by default.
Because it is a combination Doctor and Roleblocker, Jailkeeper has a myriad of uses while not allowing broken combinations or exactly confirming anyone as Town or scum. Thus, it has risen to prominence as a very popular power role.
Because it is a Roleblocker, Jailkeeper is never allowed to self-target.
This role is a non-bastard version of Paranoid Doctor.

Read from here

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toto

That says it roleblocks the target and saves them from being killed. which means the cop positive would still happened as its not roleblocking people who targeted them. We just have a double positive on toto.

Hold. What are you saying ?
looking at your quote from the wiki you have 2 fuctions;
• you protects its target from kill actions
• And Roleblock them

This means that Toto was roleblocked and prevented from dying but investigations not being kill action would of worked as normal. you just confirmed chaos as Green. yourself as Green and double toto Red

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:55 am
by ChaosOmega
Arc, how about you read your fucking role PM if you're a jailkeeper and see what it says?

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:55 am
by ArcAngel9
In post 2409, ChaosOmega wrote:Jailkeeper protects and roleblocks the target, it doesn't roleblock people targeting their target.

Just look on the MafiaWiki for Jailkeeper.

Show where in wiki it says that. WIKI clearly says that "Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night."

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:56 am
by TwoFace
In post 2410, ArcAngel9 wrote:Guys - Read this. Its explained here
try reading the wiki which is more updated. chaos can still be legit.

lynch toto today

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:57 am
by TwoFace
In post 2415, ArcAngel9 wrote:Show where in wiki it says that. WIKI clearly says that "Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night."
learn to read

Variations

Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night.
This variant is also known as Alien.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:57 am
by Naomi-Tan
In post 2415, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2409, ChaosOmega wrote:Jailkeeper protects and roleblocks the target, it doesn't roleblock people targeting their target.

Just look on the MafiaWiki for Jailkeeper.

Show where in wiki it says that. WIKI clearly says that "Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night."
I was going explicitly off your quote.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:58 am
by TwoFace
also

Normal Guidelines

A Jailkeeper that simultaneously blocks and protects their target is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, provided that any mutual blocking scenarios are planned for during review. Any role that receives results (such as Tracker or Watcher) but is blocked should receive a "no result" message, rather than told their target didn't go anywhere or nobody visited their target. A Jailkeeper cannot stop a Strongman from committing a kill.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:58 am
by ChaosOmega
In post 2415, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2409, ChaosOmega wrote:Jailkeeper protects and roleblocks the target, it doesn't roleblock people targeting their target.

Just look on the MafiaWiki for Jailkeeper.

Show where in wiki it says that. WIKI clearly says that "Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night."
Jailkeeper Wiki Entry

Read the whole thing that isn't a not-normal variation.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:58 am
by ArcAngel9
GUYS STOP TALKING

THIS IS THE SNAPSHOT FROM WIKI


Normal Guidelines

A Jailkeeper that simultaneously blocks and protects their target is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, provided that any mutual blocking scenarios are planned for during review. Any role that receives results (such as Tracker or Watcher) but is blocked should receive a "no result" message, rather than told their target didn't go anywhere or nobody visited their target. A Jailkeeper cannot stop a Strongman from committing a kill.


IT IS NORMAL FOR JAILKEEPER TO BLOCK ALL THE TARGETS. SEE THE ABOVE. IF A WATER TRACKS SOMEONE THAT WERE JAILED WILL RECEIVE NO RESULT. SO CHAOS IS ABSOLUTELY LYING OR OUR MOD SCREWED THE RESULT FOR HIM. I BELIEVE THAT CHOAS IS LYING.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:59 am
by ArcAngel9
In post 2417, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2415, ArcAngel9 wrote:Show where in wiki it says that. WIKI clearly says that "Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night."
learn to read

Variations

Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night.
This variant is also known as Alien.

LEARN TO READ FULL PAGE...


Normal Guidelines

A Jailkeeper that simultaneously blocks and protects their target is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, provided that any mutual blocking scenarios are planned for during review. Any role that receives results (such as Tracker or Watcher) but is blocked should receive a "no result" message, rather than told their target didn't go anywhere or nobody visited their target. A Jailkeeper cannot stop a Strongman from committing a kill.

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:59 am
by TwoFace
In post 2421, ArcAngel9 wrote:GUYS STOP TALKING
YOU NEED TO STOP TALKING. YOU ARE WRONG, WRONG, WROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG

Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:00 am
by MortFeld
Jesus christ it's like preschool again

I'm going to wait for mod confirmation.