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I request a VC.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2017-08-10 19:00:00)

Just keeping that in every post I make today so it doesn't slip past us...

if I was scum I wouldn't even let myself win via clock I would just leave

In post 2388, A2 wrote:ActionDan FoSes Fire for most of the game but doesn't vote him but goes for Dunnstral instead while Fire takes stances against him the whole game, basicly setting up a bunch of false dichotomies that they can't be paired together.

Neither part of this statement is true. I only took a closer look at Fire after intermission, and Fire only explicitly targeted me after I questioned him. It's up to you whether you think that interaction could be a bus, but as I said to hebichan in our Pt, I objectively would not think so as an outside observer.

In post 2391, A2 wrote:Dan also talks to me as if he's trying to pocket me

I don't see how I'm treating you different than others in terms of tone or language I'm using. No one else has made two good cases on the two flipped scum and besides that I've found other corroborating evidence that suggests your town. It is what it is.

Also Hebi, what do you mean by undercommit to my reads? I've never backed down from them, and while I've expressed my doubts about a couple in our Pt, they don't disintegrate or appear out of thin air.

Cabd, I'd still like to know how you formed your reads previously.

In post 2404, ActionDan wrote:

In post 2388, A2 wrote:ActionDan FoSes Fire for most of the game but doesn't vote him but goes for Dunnstral instead while Fire takes stances against him the whole game, basicly setting up a bunch of false dichotomies that they can't be paired together.

Neither part of this statement is true. I only took a closer look at Fire after intermission, and Fire only explicitly targeted me after I questioned him. It's up to you whether you think that interaction could be a bus, but as I said to hebichan in our Pt, I objectively would not think so as an outside observer.

In post 2391, A2 wrote:Dan also talks to me as if he's trying to pocket me

I don't see how I'm treating you different than others in terms of tone or language I'm using. No one else has made two good cases on the two flipped scum and besides that I've found other corroborating evidence that suggests your town. It is what it is.

Also Hebi, what do you mean by undercommit to my reads? I've never backed down from them, and while I've expressed my doubts about a couple in our Pt, they don't disintegrate or appear out of thin air.

I said you did feel like you followed through on actions, not exactly your reads.

For example, you started pushing me to push cabd in the qt even though I thought we were going to die, but never made the move yourself.

It is sort of ironic that in the end almost everybody who was scumreading me heavily is now townreading me; but it doesn't really matter, heh.

In post 2405, ActionDan wrote:Cabd, I'd still like to know how you formed your reads previously.

Didn't miss this, FTR.

Mostly consensus and gut.

I didn't do any actual meta-ing for this game and haven't in my games since coming back from my hiatus. And not really planning to.

OK, here I am.

In post 2407, Cabd wrote:It is sort of ironic that in the end almost everybody who was scumreading me heavily is now townreading me; but it doesn't really matter, heh.

I was never heavily scum reading you! I got some town reads right this game at least.

I will just go over stuff to leave some thoughts and then walk out. You should probably ignore my reads, really, but who knows, maybe I notice something that helps you.

Actually, I don't know. Life got really busy for me the past few days and I just don't have the time or energy to give for this. I scum read A2 before because Key felt like a tmi bus for cred when he was already going down and I didn't like her progressions or interactions but now I am meh about it all. I think I have nothing to contribute here, sorry for having so much WIL, I have no excuse, I just cannot get into a game when I do not care.

I don't even have a read on Cabd.



Hopefully, game just ends. Good luck if not.

I thought I said leaving right away wasn't a good idea ;~;

Crap, I was about to suggest I actually leave and not have IC in lylo, in case dan would scum, it would make an easier desicion. Well, there goes that idea.

So

It has come to this.

I'm just holding my breath. This could easily be game; probably is game. But if it isn't I see town losing on the spot per hebi's last posts and the ones before that.

In post 2412, Priscila wrote:

Exit stage left.

Priscila, who was

Town

Gentleman

, has

left

in

Second Dance

.

Assemblerotws, who was

Town

Lady

, has

left

in

Second Dance

.

Okay, Cabd, convince me that A2 is scum over dan, go.

Yeah. Give me like... 24 hours. Please don't suicide or anything stupid until then.

Dan and A2 should be treating this like lylo

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2017-08-10 19:00:00)

Give me the first ~30 hours of this to scumhunt, please? I'm going to be throwing out my reads on both A2 and Dan; and re-reading the game knowing that everyone else's flips are known. You should probably do the same.

A2 and Dan should be casing each other. I guess in Dan's case, he can case me as well, but casing A2 serves the same results.

Either one of two things has happened this game.

One: A2 is scum and a decision was made to bus/distance from the rest of the team early on. I believe A2 both scum read key and FoS'd fire predance and both reciprocated with a scum read of A2. (I have to check fire doing this predance vs during first dance)

or

Two: Cabd is scum, paced himself pre-intermission and rallied just as fire was being lynched.

It's not obvious which it is, although I certainly have a lean which I'll post in the Pt to document it only ftm. I'll be rereading to try to make a final determination today.

Also I suggest NOT leaving to decide the game but voting, at least until the 11th hour. The slow and painful way raises the EV of a town win slightly in my opinion.
I know my vote actually doesn't really matter, but I'll specify who I think is scum when I do.

Okay I'm here. Reading up