Mini Normal 2046: Autumn's Farewell [Endgame]

[DrDolittle]

that would require 1 for 1 scum town trade and scum never wants that right?

[DrDolittle]

especially since its know pr s are weak this game with the traitor flip

[OkaPoka]

unless scum knows they are caught

and i don't think we knew/know enough about this setup to have known/know if there are strong prs

[DrDolittle]

sure, but that (scum knows they are caught) is not case right now right?

i open to the idea that my read on varsoon is completely wrong but your set of arguments is not convincing me. and I see that mine is not convincing you either

[mbaki]

if you have complete apathy at least vote for the person who's been making this game an awful experience

Fuck you for this being your tactic. Scummy as fuck, and I'm not talking about in game.

here's the deal. I'll take the L if scum is in {oka, kmd, varsoon, suka, creature}
But I don't want to lost to mbaki and neither should any of you. + the guy is scummy as fuck.

Like, this is slimy as shit.

im playing to my wincon which is to get you lynched given the circumstance (apathy) of the game.
im not violating any rules.
im not attacking you personally.

@mod correct me if im wrong here

meanwhile you are calling me slimy irl. that's not cool?

Your wincon is not to say I'm ruining the game and that you want to vote me specifically so you don't lose to me regardless of my alignment and ot hers should too.

I guess I'll just claim. I'm a town [redacted] follower. I redacted part of my role because it's really best if I don't claim it.

My three targets are still alive. One of them was Varsoon. He should claim after me.

I'd also like to see a claim from Oka for reasons I'll reveal after he claims.

I'll keep my third target secret for the moment until everyone else claims.

Oh, my result was nothing.
No one visited Creature.

To be more specific, there were no actions performed on Creature.

Hmm, okay.

These are my results:

N1 - Varsoon - no action (consistent with claim)
N2 - mbaki - towny action, no need to claim
N3 - kmd - towny action, no need to claim

I lied about visiting Oka because I wanted Oka telling the truth about his role. I'm thinking it's scum because ascetic functions almost like a ninja in this context.

@ Oka see this sequence. Suppose Varsoon was not backup, and lied about visiting and getting no action on creature. Then if Suka's n3 investigation was actually on creature, OR if suka's n3 action is on varsoon, then his claim is immediately poked through. This seems to me like a smoking gun varsoon is town.

"If he lied about his actions" is a niche scenario, or

he could be a scum UB

. Lol.

[DrDolittle]

im not seeing scum ub balance wise tbh

[DrDolittle]

Honestly, dunno if town has enough power if Varsoon is scum. It's pretty frickin weak as is.

you even said so yourself

[OkaPoka]

Spoiler: for u ddl

you know what I'll just say what I'm thinking.

Varsoon knows he's going to get lynched sooner or later. He might as well try and force out pr claims so his buddy can knock out all the threats. He's going to go ahead and make up a result that incriminates one pr or another to try and get them ML and then he's going to get his bud to shoot the other pr.

Now that I've said that I've poisoned the well. But that's why I don't want to massclaim. I think we are playing directly into his hands.

It's why I scumread the 1-shot Neopolitan claim.
The interactions both the '1-shot' and 'Neopolitan' parts have with Universal Backup are so wonky, I didn't think it'd be a likely role to have.

Okay then why did you set elsewhere for the majority of the day, only to swing back to BEF near the end and then vote elsewhere after hammer?

VOTE: OkaPoka


FINALLY
SUPPORT FOR A WAGON I CAN DO

indicates that you didn't support a BEF wagon at all, even post 1-shot neo claim that happened here:

It's basically inevitable now...

1-shot Neapolitan.
No, I haven't used my ability yet was going to save it as long as possible or when the number of players was smaller so I could sort my result better.

I'm iffy on it.
Haven't loved the slot, but I'd rather lynch elsewhere.

Oh and this?

Not really much, I guess.
I just get worse vibes from Oka and DDL.
The way they are present and how they interact with the game
It bothers me
I can't really articulate it

Did you really scumread that claim?

Varsoon, why would you want Creature to claim before you? Wouldn't you want to get claims from others who may have visited Creature, not from Creature himself?

Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.

In what world would you voyeuring creature ever allow you to catch creature lying?

I'm Town Universal Backup.
I inherited Nero's Town Voyeur role and used it on Creature on N3.

I'll hold my result until after everyone else has claimed.

Main reason I played very cautiously early on was because I didn't want to be killed but still wanted to be suspected enough to be kept around for a lynch.
I was hoping to get something good like cop but eeeh.

What?

Spiderverse was really good, probably one of my favorite animated movies ever made.

Also, some shit happened that's really soured me on playing mafia so I might just replace out here since I'm having trouble keeping up. :/

Wasn't this why you were playing "cautiously" ?

All the other games I was in have ended so now I'll probably be more present here.
Maybe.
Sorry for low-efforting this.

Or this?

Varsoon, why would you want Creature to claim before you? Wouldn't you want to get claims from others who may have visited Creature, not from Creature himself?

Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.

Alternatively: having literally anyone else instead of creature claiming before you would be better if you were voyeur than having creature claim before you.

Literally anyone else is better.

Even one person, higher chance of catching a lie.

I've got info that may or may not expose if someone is lying, so I should probably go last or near-last.

Here you even state your goal is to try and catch a lying pr in vague ways.

Anyway, since I'm being browbeaten here;
I will only claim after Creature claims.
Creature needs to claim next.

But then here there is a bit of contradiction with your claim and supposed targets isn't there?

You were lying? lmao.
Oh I see, this is my fault. When your claim and play makes no sense. This is a BEF level claim right here.

he has his responses in his iso

[Kmd4390]

Hmm

[mbaki]

Hold up

why wouldn't UB inherit rolecop?

[mbaki]

it should only activate upon the first death of a power role of their own alignment.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... sal_Backup

Oh. This is actually good though, because if Varsoon is telling the truth about his role that means he is town.

[mbaki]

I need to go to bed, but I have to think about this game. Still think its DDL over Kmd and Kmd's unvote supports that, but Creature / Oka / Varsoon is a mind fuck I'm too tired for.

[Varsoon]

You want actual case for Creature:

He's been very vacant in-thread after initial high activity.
The second we're all at each other's throats, he ghosts. He knows when to not be around to avoid catching attention.
Look at how literally every slot other than me has positioned re: Creature. No one is putting him within their first 'solve'. That means he's in a comfy position and at least one of us (ie: Creature's partner) is trying to present a solve that doesn't bus out Creature.
Look at how he claimed. It's either Limited Shot Commuter or Non-Consecutive (OddNight/EvenNight) Commuter; but he also claimed to have commuted N1--that's the death warrant, really, in my eyes.
Why would a 2-shot commuter (What he claimed, but WIFOMed immediately) only commute N1? Doesn't make sense. Doesn't even make sense from a hypothetical town!Creature PoV, imo.
And if he is Odd Night then, why wouldn't he commute N3? My action result not failing indicates that not commuting N3 is true.
Then I've got the setup spec of it
You see
I don't think this setup was designed around kills failing
And to put in a limited commuter with a universal backup on the same side?
Don't think that's likely in the least.

So there you go. That's about all the 'casing' you'll get from me.
As far as actual play, I can't remember squat of Creature's positions, but a quick ISO shows D1 scumreads of his to be DDL, BEF, me, KMD--all folks who are here right now, minus BEF, who we lynched.
He acknowledged "The good known players (rb, Nero, Varsoon, Kmd) aren't doing much." and look who's turned up dead so far.

I just don't feel comfortable about him and his positioning, claim, and posting. If I'm wrong for once here, fuck it, I'll take that, but I think solving Creature puts us way closer to solving the game.

[Creature]

Meh, I'm feeling like we should ignore the claims. The game was way more interesting without the claims.

[Creature]

It's either Limited Shot Commuter or Non-Consecutive (OddNight/EvenNight) Commuter

I explicitly claimed 2-shot

Odd-Night/Even-Night was my intended fakeclaim if I wanted to divert scum off me.

[Creature]

Why would a 2-shot commuter (What he claimed, but WIFOMed immediately) only commute N1?

N1 I was pretty undergamed and I didn't want to get killed early.

Then I saved my only other shot.

[Creature]

"The good known players (rb, Nero, Varsoon, Kmd) aren't doing much." and look who's turned up dead so far.

What about Dannflor? Why weren't you or Kmd killed last night?

[Creature]

Sometimes I also feel like Oka's activity went down too, but here we are.

[northsidegal]

Prodding Suka.

[Kmd4390]

it should only activate upon the first death of a power role of their own alignment.

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... sal_Backup

Oh. This is actually good though, because if Varsoon is telling the truth about his role that means he is town.

That's a good point for varsoon being town. I also don't see scummbaki pointing that out. Maybe drdoolittle and one of creature/oka really does make the most sense.

[OkaPoka]

Only if varsoon is voyeur which is not confirmed and the scumread on him is not based on that?

I don't see how this makes him townier. The only townie thing he has done now is making a coherent case against creature. But then again scum can make coherent cases so it's no reason to forgive him for past.

[mbaki]

This dynamic is weird, with Oka tunneling Varsoon and Varsoon tunneling Creature.

[Creature]

I don't think I have any interest in voting BEF. Not in love with Dann's ISO of him and the whole "BEF killed RB b/c he was scumreading him!" applies to other slots as well. The only part that kinda gets me is the "but RB never voted BEF." but eh...

I'd flip

vork
KMD
varsoon
suka

before him.

[Creature]

How long till this game ends?

[Creature]

Hmm, why did we lynch BEF again?