that would require 1 for 1 scum town trade and scum never wants that right?
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:30 pm
by DrDolittle
especially since its know pr s are weak this game with the traitor flip
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:31 pm
by OkaPoka
unless scum knows they are caught
and i don't think we knew/know enough about this setup to have known/know if there are strong prs
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:33 pm
by DrDolittle
sure, but that (scum knows they are caught) is not case right now right?
i open to the idea that my read on varsoon is completely wrong but your set of arguments is not convincing me. and I see that mine is not convincing you either
In post 2362, DrDolittle wrote:if you have complete apathy at least vote for the person who's been making this game an awful experience
Fuck you for this being your tactic. Scummy as fuck, and I'm not talking about in game.
In post 2363, DrDolittle wrote:here's the deal. I'll take the L if scum is in {oka, kmd, varsoon, suka, creature}
But I don't want to lost to mbaki and neither should any of you. + the guy is scummy as fuck.
Like, this is slimy as shit.
im playing to my wincon which is to get you lynched given the circumstance (apathy) of the game.
im not violating any rules.
im not attacking you personally.
@mod correct me if im wrong here
meanwhile you are calling me slimy irl. that's not cool?
Your wincon is not to say I'm ruining the game and that you want to vote me specifically so you don't lose to me regardless of my alignment and ot hers should too.
In post 2110, Suka wrote:I guess I'll just claim. I'm a town [redacted] follower. I redacted part of my role because it's really best if I don't claim it.
My three targets are still alive. One of them was Varsoon. He should claim after me.
I'd also like to see a claim from Oka for reasons I'll reveal after he claims.
I'll keep my third target secret for the moment until everyone else claims.
In post 2158, Varsoon wrote:Oh, my result was nothing.
No one visited Creature.
In post 2159, Varsoon wrote:To be more specific, there were no actions performed on Creature.
N1 - Varsoon - no action (consistent with claim)
N2 - mbaki - towny action, no need to claim
N3 - kmd - towny action, no need to claim
I lied about visiting Oka because I wanted Oka telling the truth about his role. I'm thinking it's scum because ascetic functions almost like a ninja in this context.
@ Oka see this sequence. Suppose Varsoon was not backup, and lied about visiting and getting no action on creature. Then if Suka's n3 investigation was actually on creature, OR if suka's n3 action is on varsoon, then his claim is immediately poked through. This seems to me like a smoking gun varsoon is town.
"If he lied about his actions" is a niche scenario, or
he could be a scum UB
. Lol.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:41 pm
by DrDolittle
im not seeing scum ub balance wise tbh
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 8:43 pm
by DrDolittle
In post 2332, mbaki wrote:Honestly, dunno if town has enough power if Varsoon is scum. It's pretty frickin weak as is.
Varsoon knows he's going to get lynched sooner or later. He might as well try and force out pr claims so his buddy can knock out all the threats. He's going to go ahead and make up a result that incriminates one pr or another to try and get them ML and then he's going to get his bud to shoot the other pr.
Now that I've said that I've poisoned the well. But that's why I don't want to massclaim. I think we are playing directly into his hands.
In post 2180, Varsoon wrote:It's why I scumread the 1-shot Neopolitan claim.
The interactions both the '1-shot' and 'Neopolitan' parts have with Universal Backup are so wonky, I didn't think it'd be a likely role to have.
Okay then why did you set elsewhere for the majority of the day, only to swing back to BEF near the end and then vote elsewhere after hammer?
1-shot Neapolitan.
No, I haven't used my ability yet was going to save it as long as possible or when the number of players was smaller so I could sort my result better.
In post 1939, Varsoon wrote:I'm iffy on it.
Haven't loved the slot, but I'd rather lynch elsewhere.
Oh and this?
In post 1942, Varsoon wrote:Not really much, I guess.
I just get worse vibes from Oka and DDL.
The way they are present and how they interact with the game
It bothers me
I can't really articulate it
In post 2153, Suka wrote:Varsoon, why would you want Creature to claim before you? Wouldn't you want to get claims from others who may have visited Creature, not from Creature himself?
In post 2154, Varsoon wrote:Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.
In what world would you voyeuring creature ever allow you to catch creature lying?
In post 2150, Varsoon wrote:I'm Town Universal Backup.
I inherited Nero's Town Voyeur role and used it on Creature on N3.
I'll hold my result until after everyone else has claimed.
Main reason I played very cautiously early on was because I didn't want to be killed but still wanted to be suspected enough to be kept around for a lynch.
I was hoping to get something good like cop but eeeh.
What?
In post 529, Varsoon wrote:Spiderverse was really good, probably one of my favorite animated movies ever made.
Also, some shit happened that's really soured me on playing mafia so I might just replace out here since I'm having trouble keeping up. :/
Wasn't this why you were playing "cautiously" ?
In post 2029, Varsoon wrote:All the other games I was in have ended so now I'll probably be more present here.
Maybe.
Sorry for low-efforting this.
In post 2153, Suka wrote:Varsoon, why would you want Creature to claim before you? Wouldn't you want to get claims from others who may have visited Creature, not from Creature himself?
In post 2154, Varsoon wrote:Well, I wanted to claim last and have Creature go right before me, but doing it this way means that now Creature's stuck to his claim instead of being able to lie about his role after I claim my result, if that makes sense.
Alternatively: having literally anyone else instead of creature claiming before you would be better if you were voyeur than having creature claim before you.
Oh. This is actually good though, because if Varsoon is telling the truth about his role that means he is town.
Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2019 9:06 pm
by mbaki
I need to go to bed, but I have to think about this game. Still think its DDL over Kmd and Kmd's unvote supports that, but Creature / Oka / Varsoon is a mind fuck I'm too tired for.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 12:29 am
by Varsoon
You want actual case for Creature:
He's been very vacant in-thread after initial high activity.
The second we're all at each other's throats, he ghosts. He knows when to not be around to avoid catching attention.
Look at how literally every slot other than me has positioned re: Creature. No one is putting him within their first 'solve'. That means he's in a comfy position and at least one of us (ie: Creature's partner) is trying to present a solve that doesn't bus out Creature.
Look at how he claimed. It's either Limited Shot Commuter or Non-Consecutive (OddNight/EvenNight) Commuter; but he also claimed to have commuted N1--that's the death warrant, really, in my eyes.
Why would a 2-shot commuter (What he claimed, but WIFOMed immediately) only commute N1? Doesn't make sense. Doesn't even make sense from a hypothetical town!Creature PoV, imo.
And if he is Odd Night then, why wouldn't he commute N3? My action result not failing indicates that not commuting N3 is true.
Then I've got the setup spec of it
You see
I don't think this setup was designed around kills failing
And to put in a limited commuter with a universal backup on the same side?
Don't think that's likely in the least.
So there you go. That's about all the 'casing' you'll get from me.
As far as actual play, I can't remember squat of Creature's positions, but a quick ISO shows D1 scumreads of his to be DDL, BEF, me, KMD--all folks who are here right now, minus BEF, who we lynched.
He acknowledged "The good known players (rb, Nero, Varsoon, Kmd) aren't doing much." and look who's turned up dead so far.
I just don't feel comfortable about him and his positioning, claim, and posting. If I'm wrong for once here, fuck it, I'll take that, but I think solving Creature puts us way closer to solving the game.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:14 am
by Creature
Meh, I'm feeling like we should ignore the claims. The game was way more interesting without the claims.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:16 am
by Creature
In post 2412, Varsoon wrote:It's either Limited Shot Commuter or Non-Consecutive (OddNight/EvenNight) Commuter
I explicitly claimed 2-shot
Odd-Night/Even-Night was my intended fakeclaim if I wanted to divert scum off me.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:19 am
by Creature
In post 2412, Varsoon wrote:Why would a 2-shot commuter (What he claimed, but WIFOMed immediately) only commute N1?
N1 I was pretty undergamed and I didn't want to get killed early.
Then I saved my only other shot.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:20 am
by Creature
In post 2412, Varsoon wrote:"The good known players (rb, Nero, Varsoon, Kmd) aren't doing much." and look who's turned up dead so far.
What about Dannflor? Why weren't you or Kmd killed last night?
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 1:21 am
by Creature
Sometimes I also feel like Oka's activity went down too, but here we are.
Oh. This is actually good though, because if Varsoon is telling the truth about his role that means he is town.
That's a good point for varsoon being town. I also don't see scummbaki pointing that out. Maybe drdoolittle and one of creature/oka really does make the most sense.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:45 am
by OkaPoka
Only if varsoon is voyeur which is not confirmed and the scumread on him is not based on that?
I don't see how this makes him townier. The only townie thing he has done now is making a coherent case against creature. But then again scum can make coherent cases so it's no reason to forgive him for past.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:50 am
by mbaki
This dynamic is weird, with Oka tunneling Varsoon and Varsoon tunneling Creature.
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 6:52 am
by Creature
In post 1664, Nero Cain wrote:I don't think I have any interest in voting BEF. Not in love with Dann's ISO of him and the whole "BEF killed RB b/c he was scumreading him!" applies to other slots as well. The only part that kinda gets me is the "but RB never voted BEF." but eh...