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Im a couple pages old, but Im now 100% town sho! and scum URAP.

DP, your thoughtprocess was towny but the result is wrong.

why's urap scum?

The result is wrong. That's it.

I like nero's wagon enough that I will switch, but your result is definitely wrong DP.

I mean I think all you've said is that you think he's broadened his horizons? But I don't understand what you're seeing as scummy from him still. It's hard to re-evaluate my argument when you're just saying you disagree

In post 2076, teacher wrote:Would hammer if absolutely required: urap, Nero, flubb

also kinda curious why you're saying you'd hammer nero but not flubb, I guess just cause it's a townie wagon? can you expand on your read on flubber?

Well, Im pretty far gone into town!sho. That means I think there is scum on the early vote parkers. And Im strong town on you. The only reason I didnt go to URaP before is that your organic townread was a valid analysis. But I think he has improved, so I think wagonomics points to him.

Flubb is on the would hammer if absolutely required list, so Im not sure what youre asking??

Id rather Nero because I TR that wagon a hell of alot more.

Yeah it makes sense just kinda surprised me since Nero just reminded me of 333

I guess I just went back and found that I actually don't like 265 basically at all so just kinda interesting feels

I mean Nero literally just argued you had towncased him previously, given you had listed him in bottom two tiers what do you make of that?

@teacher can I ask you why you changed your initial scumread of sho into a 100% townread?

Sure. It's Skitter's reason largely. Let me walk you through it a bit.

I scumread (past tense) shoshin for largely the same reasons you did. The issue is that Cop!Sho is also desperate to avoid the lynch. And I always scumread shoshin's playstyle. Normal 2042 is playing large in my memory here. There, I scumread her (107, 220, 763, and others) for the same reason I did here -- alot of OMGUS and self-focus. I even denied a neap Town result in 963. But she was indeed town.

She is playing consistent with that game, and the personality I understand her to play with. Like I think in future when I play with Sho, my gutscum pings are going to be town indicative.

After the claim, I remained unsure about Sho because I was still pretty town on her wagon. But Ive lost my reason to town URAP.

In post 2407, Detective Pikachu wrote:I guess I just went back and found that I actually don't like 265 basically at all so just kinda interesting feels

I mean Nero literally just argued you had towncased him previously, given you had listed him in bottom two tiers what do you make of that?

I had a bit to drink during the soccer game and am not sure what youre asking. can you try again?

For me it's just the timing, and the way the claim happened that still makes me think she's scum.

I don't think she played consistent at all, actually. She's had a pretty big shift ever since her wagon died in terms of how she played. There are a wide array of things she did when pressure was on her that did not correspond to the things she's doing right now. She's also very controlling and manipulative which doesn't help.

I think she doesn't flip cop or town ever. And I think whoever her partner is, is trying to use the wagon fall to redirect on someone fairly quickly with this little time on the clock, which flubber has been doing. It's not my best scumread, but it's the best I will get at this EoD, so I guess I'll settle for it instead of letting my defeatism take over.

I still have no faith in a urap and NC wagon. These two slots are going to be sorted as soon as tomorrow as soon as there is a flip, I can guarantee that. I am way more at ease lynching a slot I will probably have a hard time townreading with certainty ever, than playing coinflip here. That's where I am at right now.

Hey Nom, what do you think of my analysis of Nero?

Can you help me understand what makes Nero town?

There are other slots I would have considered in other worlds, but I know for a fact that they're just akin to sho, in the sense that no one pushes them ever for some cryptic reasons ever, so it's not worth spending time and energy there and get what I can get here.

It's sad but it's the best move town has today.

In post 2412, nomnomnom wrote:She's also very controlling and manipulative which doesn't help.

She is. That's Shosin.

What shift do you see? I see a loss of the impending doom motivation, but again, I think that is NAI between cop! and scum!

nomnomnom who else would you consider for a lynch if you had the choice?

In post 2122, Nero Cain wrote:at least teacher and Buj have done that.

looks like my read was right on you earlier.

In post 2123, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 2107, Shoshin wrote:Unlike him, I do meta research.

if you did meta research there's no way that you think im scum here.

In post 2128, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 2100, teacher wrote:

In post 2096, Shoshin wrote:Teach, can you point me to your thoughts on Nero's alignment?

Nero’s hard pushes have been on me, urap and pika before claim. I’m pretty darn sure at least two are town. They demotivated over he course of the day. They are also cheerleading your lynch, but letting nom be the face of the effort. If your town, I think they have a strong possibility of scum. But on this slot I trust DP more than myself or you. I saw some pretty town thought processes in both the me and urap pushes, and I’ve become progressively less convinced of uraps alignment, though I still town DP for giving me reasons to strong town urap.

Does that help/answer? If not, I quoted my take on them last night within the last couple hours.

In post 2103, teacher wrote:

In post 333, teacher wrote:

In post 265, Nero Cain wrote:snip

I’m offline tonight for real life but I LOVE this post.

Yes I’m being useless w my vote. It is still on my RVS for familiarity. I haven’t gotten scum tingles yet. Actually the better way to word that is that I feel scum has been active (this hasn’t all felt tvt) but they haven’t localized yet.

I’m town on cinnamon from their reaction to my push on their claim, and on urap and one other (blanking on who rn) for melding on that reaction. I wasn’t crazy about the commie sheeping, but this post totally redeemed you for that point of view.

I’m offline for my last night of real work this semester. I will be back tomorrow. But thank you for this.

In post 919, teacher wrote:I liked that you called out early posts, which justified your early read. I liked that it showed a consistent focus on how a player was using their vote - a consistent scunhuntubg mindset. I liked some of the analysis on his wording - even as I disagree with it and view it as playstyle rather than alignment.

You’ve shown me how you think. It is consistent. And it is an approach I do not have so it can help me.

This.

This is him talking about why I'm town in this game. Yes, he said he'd hammer me but I'm still a bit down his totem pole.

In post 2134, Nero Cain wrote:there are alot of ppl that can read me off meta.

In post 2143, Nero Cain wrote:

hey guiz, I'm voting Nero cause if I do ppl will have town cases on him.

ppl have already done this

but one called u scummy and one is sheeping me so what is this reaction. it's so bad!

This is just strongly worded bullshit.

like, he said that me saying that you hadn't towncased him was "bullshit" and that when I was asking for towncases on him "ppl have already done this" -- so he pretty clearly thought that you were 'towncasing him' and was giving me shit because I should have read your "towncase" as a towncase

so given you basically just said you'd hammer him and that you basically aren't townreading him, idk, what do you make of this string of posts?

In post 2413, Shoshin wrote:Hey Nom, what do you think of my analysis of Nero?

In post 2414, Shoshin wrote:Can you help me understand what makes Nero town?

I don't think much of it, because Nero is not actually a townread of mine. He's a nullread even though this has been fairly similar to how he played as town in the large normal I played with him.

He's fairly belligerent when challenged and will not hesitate to 1v1 people for the sake of going 1v1 against people, which he had done with my mason partner last game. That's why I find the scumread on him for doing this thing here by whoever said that (I think it was flubb?) completely asinine.

I just think NC is a bad day 1 lynch period.

In post 2417, Cinnamon wrote:nomnomnom who else would you consider for a lynch if you had the choice?

teacher, saladman, vork

A simple reasoning to those is that I think these lynches open the game a lot in terms of associatives. In the case of saladman it's more of a standalone read though.

In post 2419, nomnomnom wrote: I don't think much of it, because Nero is not actually a townread of mine. He's a nullread even though this has been fairly similar to how he played as town in the large normal I played with him.

He's fairly belligerent when challenged and will not hesitate to 1v1 people for the sake of going 1v1 against people, which he had done with my mason partner last game. That's why I find the scumread on him for doing this thing here by whoever said that (I think it was flubb?) completely asinine.

I just think NC is a bad day 1 lynch period.

Why is Nero a bad lynch on D1?

Can you tell me why you think my analysis of Nero is wrong?

I'm looking for every possible reason not to lynch Nero today.

In post 2422, Shoshin wrote:

In post 2419, nomnomnom wrote: I don't think much of it, because Nero is not actually a townread of mine. He's a nullread even though this has been fairly similar to how he played as town in the large normal I played with him.

He's fairly belligerent when challenged and will not hesitate to 1v1 people for the sake of going 1v1 against people, which he had done with my mason partner last game. That's why I find the scumread on him for doing this thing here by whoever said that (I think it was flubb?) completely asinine.

I just think NC is a bad day 1 lynch period.

Why is Nero a bad lynch on D1?

Can you tell me why you think my analysis of Nero is wrong?

Nero is a bad lynch D1 because the reasons all of you invoked for scumreading the guy are simply not good to evaluate this kind of player.

You're not going to catch a player that likes acting slightly aggressive towards people and a bit antagonistic and taunt-ish with those things is what I'm trying to say here.

You're going to catch him by having a complete list of movements and the depth of his interactions with players when there are more flips. That's literally how I sorted him last time and I probably would have gone on his wagon multiple times if I listened to the little demon on my shoulder that said "yess yeeeeeeeees lynch the shithead"