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In post 2397, Alisae wrote:You still didn’t answer me on why u bussed?

he said & i agree he wasn't hard bussing? he threw some shade at you is all i can see, then you went for the hard bus.

I have to defend alisae because I think that the scum wincon was entirely on his shoulders since menal was almost guaranteed to be flipped with all of me, MT, Hopkirk, etc. all suspecting him. Playing it out would just be kabuke theater at that point if alisae had given up.

Conversely I feel like alisae played the best scum game out of everyone.

In post 2399, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 2395, Alisae wrote:

In post 2390, Menalque wrote:The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

How do u win?

getting the person who TR you (Kanna) to vote MT over you. Kanna isn't infallible and isn't sure in retrospect (citation needed)

Kanna thinks it coulda happened but I doubt it. She just reads and sees that I make the most sense to be scum.
How does Mena win?

In post 2399, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 2395, Alisae wrote:

In post 2390, Menalque wrote:The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

How do u win?

getting the person who TR you (Kanna) to vote MT over you. Kanna isn't infallible and isn't sure in retrospect (citation needed)

MT is practically conftown there's no way to do this.

In post 2394, Alisae wrote:

In post 2389, northsidegal wrote:which is that of conceding against your partner's wishes and—in a sense—playing out of spite and against your win condition.

Oh so it doesn’t matter if the game was actually unwinnable?

No, it actually doesn't, at least for any non-literal definition of "unwinnable".

In post 2395, Alisae wrote:

In post 2390, Menalque wrote:The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

How do u win?

I was never intending to endgame, I was expecting you to endgame because you were the one who was widely townread

After you conceded I was gonna try to pretend I didn’t mind being the next elim as a wifomy non-survivalistic play and to argue that you have too much integrity to true-scumclaim with a buddy and that therefore you doing so should be considered clearing for me, and then to try and get ABR, uncrowned and hop executed probably

I was actually about to attack Hopkirk cuz I didn’t think his role could exist since I was a mason and I thought mafia couldn’t nightkill lol

The points being made here were never towards alisae frankly

It's all environment-based, (Mafia) games shouldn't invite a culture where your best option is to simply not play

In post 2401, Albert B. Rampage wrote:I have to defend alisae because I think that the scum wincon was entirely on his shoulders since menal was almost guaranteed to be flipped with all of me, MT, Hopkirk, etc. all suspecting him. Playing it out would just be kabuke theater at that point if alisae had given up.

Conversely I feel like alisae played the best scum game out of everyone.

I was always planning to go down my last act was just to try and get you done first *shrug*

In post 2404, northsidegal wrote:

In post 2394, Alisae wrote:

In post 2389, northsidegal wrote:which is that of conceding against your partner's wishes and—in a sense—playing out of spite and against your win condition.

Oh so it doesn’t matter if the game was actually unwinnable?

No, it actually doesn't, at least for any non-literal definition of "unwinnable".

Then Idunno what to tell you tbh.

In post 2405, Menalque wrote:ABR, uncrowned and hop executed probably

I respect your spirit


Look guys I think town wins this even if it was mountainous all vanilla town just based on the player list

This is my favorite player list ever, I love all of you!

In post 2402, Alisae wrote:

In post 2399, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 2395, Alisae wrote:

In post 2390, Menalque wrote:The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

How do u win?

getting the person who TR you (Kanna) to vote MT over you. Kanna isn't infallible and isn't sure in retrospect (citation needed)

Kanna thinks it coulda happened but I doubt it. She just reads and sees that I make the most sense to be scum.
How does Mena win?

Menal never survives today. It's only you who can carry it to a win there. I can see your point, but I think if it's a generally held position then it's not good for the site tbh. Like if you enjoy town then how would it affect your experience if scumteams frequently conceded when they thought they were very likely to lose on d3 and games frequently ended before lategame?

If there is some allotted pressure or negativity bias causing scum teams to just collapse and not even try? There has been a dynamic shift in the way townplay is rewarded, and now it seems if people aren't town they aren't apart of the inner circle or something

Why?

In post 2406, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I was actually about to attack Hopkirk cuz I didn’t think his role could exist since I was a mason and I thought mafia couldn’t nightkill lol

I would have defended hopkirk to death.

You were a mason????? Woah. First I learn of this lol. But well played, you were very town this game.

This was a really tough PL to roll scum against, that’s for sure

In post 2407, unwnd wrote:The points being made here were never towards alisae frankly

It's all environment-based, (Mafia) games shouldn't invite a culture where your best option is to simply not play

In poker you shouldn’t be able to fold
In League you shouldn’t be able to concede.

I don’t see how that makes sense Idunno tho.

In post 2411, Hopkirk wrote:Menal never survives today. It's only you who can carry it to a win there. I can see your point, but I think if it's a generally held position then it's not good for the site tbh. Like if you enjoy town then how would it affect your experience if scumteams frequently conceded when they thought they were very likely to lose on d3 and games frequently ended before lategame?

Feels great

In post 2407, unwnd wrote:The points being made here were never towards alisae frankly

It's all environment-based, (Mafia) games shouldn't invite a culture where your best option is to simply not play

No, I don't think so, I actually think that this is pretty squarely on alisae here. We could have some discussion on site meta and pressures on scumteams and such but I think that this situation is pretty divorced from that.

In post 2409, Alisae wrote: Then Idunno what to tell you tbh.

You need to check your ego and recognize that throwing a tantrum and then throwing the game because your partner is making plays that you don't agree with and you're in a setup that you don't like is wrong. That your own subjective analysis of how winnable the game is doesn't supersede your partner's wishes, no matter how bitter you feel towards him.

HEY ALISAE

GOOD JOB WELL PLAYED

Menalque wrote:This was a really tough PL to roll scum against, that’s for sure

It was actually a very scary scumteam rand though, in theory.

In post 2411, Hopkirk wrote:Menal never survives today

Tbf I’m not sure this is true

I never endgame but I don’t think I was guaranteed to die today

Maybe I was tho, idk

In post 2406, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I was actually about to attack Hopkirk cuz I didn’t think his role could exist since I was a mason and I thought mafia couldn’t nightkill lol

we'd have still voted mena then i'd have gone through with the loverise and cleared someone sus right? did you think my role was scum-loveriser? if so i feel like i could have convinced you that unconnected-scum-Hopkirk doesn't claim that out of nowhere d3 when it doesn't really help him whereas townhop has been crumbing it since d1 and it makes perfect sense for him to claim it

In post 2410, Albert B. Rampage wrote:

In post 2405, Menalque wrote:ABR, uncrowned and hop executed probably

I respect your spirit


Look guys I think town wins this even if it was mountainous all vanilla town just based on the player list

This is my favorite player list ever, I love all of you!

i did like this playerlist.

In post 2411, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 2402, Alisae wrote:

In post 2399, Hopkirk wrote:

In post 2395, Alisae wrote:

In post 2390, Menalque wrote:The game was entirely winnable even if there’s disagreement on the extent of that and given that it was conceding and claiming scum with me was totally unacceptable

How do u win?

getting the person who TR you (Kanna) to vote MT over you. Kanna isn't infallible and isn't sure in retrospect (citation needed)

Kanna thinks it coulda happened but I doubt it. She just reads and sees that I make the most sense to be scum.
How does Mena win?

Menal never survives today. It's only you who can carry it to a win there. I can see your point, but I think if it's a generally held position then it's not good for the site tbh. Like if you enjoy town then how would it affect your experience if scumteams frequently conceded when they thought they were very likely to lose on d3 and games frequently ended before lategame?

I would be happy personally, unless scum had a chance to win. That chance doesn’t exist here.

In post 2418, Albert B. Rampage wrote:HEY ALISAE

GOOD JOB WELL PLAYED

Ty

In post 2417, northsidegal wrote:No, I don't think so, I actually think that this is pretty squarely on alisae here. We could have some discussion on site meta and pressures on scumteams and such but I think that this situation is pretty divorced from that.

It's on eir but at the same time in my time playing this game (see: own bias) I never once thought conceding was an option. I never thought about quitting, and if I did I would just replace. I feel like something has changed in that regard