In post 1791, Datisi wrote:luca you wouldn't break my heart here would you?
luca did not answer this
very suspicious hmmmmmmm
I think you know my Town game well enough to know the answer to that
yet you still didn't answer it
curious
big thonk on this still getting ignored
anyway i went through d3-5 and i don't know if i have any thoughts anymore. maybe it's the fact it's so late. i'll look at d1 and a few other things tomorrow. i *really* wanna end this game, but i also know my own anxiety is not gonna let me do that until i feel like i've looked at anything/everything that could be useful.
fucking hell
instead of hitting submit and leaving this game for today
now i am looking at d1 again
ok nvm i got nothing from it
ok so
this might be a bit stupid, but luca, were you online during d5 twilight, after ranny selfhammered? i think i saw you online, how come you didn't post anything?
ok i just spent like 10 minutes looking at autumnal lylo without actually thinking about this game lol
i'm submitting this before i get distracted again
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 2400, Datisi wrote:
ok so
this might be a bit stupid, but luca, were you online during d5 twilight, after ranny selfhammered? i think i saw you online, how come you didn't post anything?
I might have been, I honestly can't remember? I often pop online to see what's up while on my phone when I'm out, but I don't like phone posting unless I really feel an urgent need to say something. I thought I was
invisible
to avoid being read for this, but apparently not.
And generally I believe that twilight posting before a potential 3p Lylo is only going to help scum make a more informed NK. If I were expecting to eat the NK then I might have rushed to give my two pence, but otherwise I'd probably just wait for the flip regardless.
ok cool I'm the lim for today. let's just take that as red.
You are now in this hypothetical scenario where it is you, Luca, Ranny with one scum left. Who are you voting and why?
I don't do this as scum
I still think this is the biggest indicator I'm town. The only reason I wasn't the elimination yesterday was NPOM being stubborn. There's no world I do that as scum.
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
luca, you were invisible, but you forgot to turn off visibility in sitechat.
anyway.
i purposefully made 2342 somewhat disingenuous. i wanted to see the reactions to a post that's shading both of you but ultimately landing on luca. you asked for the point in 2344 and there was absolutely no point to that part. it was me scraping the bottom of the barrel to spin as much of your d2 as i could into being scummy.
luca's first thing was to try to debunk what i'm saying, try to show me why he's town, why elements is scum.
elements' reaction?
Spoiler:
In post 2348, Elements wrote:you're right Luca, following the reads of someone you're buddying is a good tactic
In post 2352, Elements wrote:you're giving my scum game way too little credit here luca
In post 2357, Luca Blight wrote:I really dislike self-meta, but I cannot imagine myself pushing someone I know to be a cop as scum in the manner I did this game
there are so many quotes like this you've done that are going to be great post game
weak self meta, weak jabs, and empty shade.
i think it's elements who saw that i'm leaning luca, and didn't try to convince me why their actions on d2 aren't actually scum, they don't care about that, they just need to keep me on luca.
the way i usually read luca is by whether his posts feel like he's reading my mind and typing it out. there are two big ~events~ that make me doubt town!luca. those are (1) continuously scumreading cook on day 2 and (2) insisting he wouldn't push cook as scum.
however. (1) i think i'm being unfair here. i was one of the loudest proponents for cook being scum on day 1. and his play didn't improve on day 2. but i had my information, i knew there was a town cop in the game, and with shiga dying, i knew it had to be cook. what i'm wondering, if i were a vt, would i still be scumreading cook there? the answer is probably yes. (2) doesn't make sense to me because i would definitely keep pushing town!cook as scum, because i get too much joy from town killing their own power roles, and because "i wouldn't do x as scum" is an excuse that works more often than it should. but i might be an exception rather than the rule here. first, because ranny also said it (2186), and because luca did say to be a more careful scum player in a recent game.
going back to day 1, luca being scum would mean that the day 1 sos wagon was all pure. i find that hard to believe. there was no attention on zuko. luca was prematurely bussing even though there was already a wagon forming on sos that he could've easily joined? risking that with a counterwagon on a scumbuddy that could easily gain traction, as sos's wagon is held on with nothing but weak lollurker fuel??? compared to ele, who ignored zuko on day 1 *completely*, and kept trying to get people on the sos wagon.
Spoiler:
In post 809, Elements wrote:can I persuade you to join in on the voting SoS?
however, there is one thing still bugging me here.
why am i alive.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
I think you're alive because you defended Elements a bit Yesterday and NPOM thought Elements had scum-slipped during twilight.
I get you Townread me more than Elements Yesterday, but so did NPOM. Elements probably thought that you would be more likely to change your mind than NPOM, who seems very stubborn based on his opinions in this game alone. Perhaps Elements also thought that Luca!scum wouldn't kill Datisi in that scenario, and thought you might become paranoid when you found you were still alive? Idk I can only speculate, but I believe the main reason was probably NPOM's comments during twilight.
In post 2406, Luca Blight wrote:I think you're alive because you defended Elements a bit Yesterday and NPOM thought Elements had scum-slipped during twilight.
I get you Townread me more than Elements Yesterday, but so did NPOM. Elements probably thought that you would be more likely to change your mind than NPOM, who seems very stubborn based on his opinions in this game alone. Perhaps Elements also thought that Luca!scum wouldn't kill Datisi in that scenario, and thought you might become paranoid when you found you were still alive? Idk I can only speculate, but I believe the main reason was probably NPOM's comments during twilight.
TMI post
Luca killed NPOM so he could push the "NPOM was saying elements was scum in twilight" line. That coupled with that you two have a familiarity with each other and that I don't tell people to exile me when I'm scum.
Basically Luca's scum is what I'm saying
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
You could literally say that about anything I say about your possible NK motive. It's all pure wifom.
I know you're scum, and based on what NPOM said during twilight I would guess that is the reason. Maybe you had already made up your mind on killing NPOM before that based on you hard-TR'ing him, but I can only guess.
So the 'TMI' line doesn't work when you are already confirmed scum to me - by definition I have all the information I need, and the dots become a lot easier to connect when this is the case.
i am again getting concerned that elements doesn't reply at all to my wallpost, doesn't try to address any of the reasons i wrote for finding them scummier than luca, and instead decides to argue that luca's latest post is tmi.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 2412, Datisi wrote:i am again getting concerned that elements doesn't reply at all to my wallpost, doesn't try to address any of the reasons i wrote for finding them scummier than luca, and instead decides to argue that luca's latest post is tmi.
I don't think there's any point arguing against that I've been generally more scummy than Luca given that I have and I'm hopelessly outmatched in terms of 'analysing' and persuasion so I just have to capitalise on the things that I would never do at scum and Luca's posts that I think show he is scummy the most.
Are you also feeling that Luca's posting has become a lot more direct and focused compared to previous days?
Also all his stuff on self meta is utter garbage due to his break and the fact he's aware of his town meta so can easily recreate it - specifically following the confirmed town.
I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald
you're both claiming you've done things you wouldn't do as scum. unless the mod is trolling us and letting us play this out because they hate us, one of you is bullshitting here.
yeah, it's become more direct and focused. that's what happens when someone is in a 1v1. like. how is that an argument for scum!luca.
and ok? that point was about me defending you, not you defending yourself?
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
fun facts. in the recent ~6 months, i kept getting killed early as town and making it to lylo as scum. and at some points i'd think how i'm forgetting how it feels to play lylo as town.
this is a good reminder that i was not missing out.
the dead thread is probably yelling at me lol
i'm annoyed and/or worried bc while luca does feel
townie
, he doesn't feel
i would bet on the next three games i have that luca is town
but elements isn't being townie either
like i skimmed a bit through my last modded game and i felt like elements was like
decently solving
i've probably had this tab with this post open for over an hour
heh.
I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”
In post 2405, Datisi wrote:
the way i usually read luca is by whether his posts feel like he's reading my mind and typing it out. there are two big ~events~ that make me doubt town!luca. those are (1) continuously scumreading cook on day 2 and (2) insisting he wouldn't push cook as scum.
Just to go over these a bit more, as I'm not sure what else to do right now:
1) I couldn't get my head around Cook being Town after considering the Shig flip. I was convinced he'd be alive day three with another 'blocked' result. It also made no sense to me how Cook seemed to know he wouldn't be blocked Day 3, so I then thought he might fake a result. All of this was from a position of ignorance on my part.
2) I usually don't make such arguments, but it's like when the other person is using such arguments you want to be on a level playing field. I realize it's all wifom BS really.
But I do think as scum I'd have thought long and hard about pushing someone I
know
to be a cop, because that's not going to be a good look when he flips. I know you said you would as scum, but you must be a more competent, or at least confident, scum player than I am. I've shown games where I can play as scum to some effect, but I don't think I've ever hard-pushed a claimed PR? I have 'tunneled' on LHF as scum before but that's about the extent of it.
But yeah, it's all wifom and if I were scum I'd probably be saying the same thing, so feel free to ignore that line of argument if you want.
