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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:11 pm
by Frogsterking
In post 0, schadd_ wrote:reviewed by: isis & ausuka
@math

Does this have any indications about the setup spec?

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:14 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2398, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 0, schadd_ wrote:reviewed by: isis & ausuka
@math

Does this have any indications about the setup spec?
Yes but no.

Yes in that it tells me not to try to meta setup Schadd and Isis.

They’re both really brilliant and the last few times I’ve tried I have been boondoggled.

I think doing it in micro is okay but macro I need one more scum flip (assuming furtive is scum) or two more without it.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:14 pm
by MariaR
In post 2397, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2396, MariaR wrote:What the fuck happened while I was gone
Tldr
Furtive claimed VT
Frog claimed rolecop with result Furtive is Joat with RB Alien and tracker
For some reason furtive isn’t already hammered
Wow look it's the roleblock to counter all the invests

VOTE: Furtive

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:17 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2400, MariaR wrote:
In post 2397, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2396, MariaR wrote:What the fuck happened while I was gone
Tldr
Furtive claimed VT
Frog claimed rolecop with result Furtive is Joat with RB Alien and tracker
For some reason furtive isn’t already hammered
Wow look it's the roleblock to counter all the invests

VOTE: Furtive
We agree! Yay!

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:24 pm
by Titus
In post 2400, MariaR wrote:
In post 2397, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2396, MariaR wrote:What the fuck happened while I was gone
Tldr
Furtive claimed VT
Frog claimed rolecop with result Furtive is Joat with RB Alien and tracker
For some reason furtive isn’t already hammered
Wow look it's the roleblock to counter all the invests

VOTE: Furtive
Plothole, I am a limited shot rolecop. Was left out of tldr.

Frog saw your question. Give me 30.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:27 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2402, Titus wrote:
In post 2400, MariaR wrote:
In post 2397, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2396, MariaR wrote:What the fuck happened while I was gone
Tldr
Furtive claimed VT
Frog claimed rolecop with result Furtive is Joat with RB Alien and tracker
For some reason furtive isn’t already hammered
Wow look it's the roleblock to counter all the invests

VOTE: Furtive
Plothole, I am a limited shot rolecop. Was left out of tldr.

Frog saw your question. Give me 30.
Didn’t leave it out. Found it irrelevant for the wagon today.

Furtive is likely scum

You and Frog could be any sort of which way alignment wise

Furtive’s flip will contribute to reading you both.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:29 pm
by Titus
How is a direct matching claim irrelevant?

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:39 pm
by marcistar
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:42 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2404, Titus wrote:How is a direct matching claim irrelevant?
Because it is? Do we execute multiple people for claiming VT? No.

What matters is the overall setup design.

Maybe town is given traditional scum roles and scum given town ones.

We judge by play as well as role.

Is it likely there’s a scum between you and Frog? Maybe. Maybe even more than usual.

Maybe you’re both scum as a backup or both town.

Until we get an idea of overall we don’t know.

Furtive is likely the scum RB based on him hiding but that’s play + role

I can make arguments you or Frog are scum.

It doesn’t mean you/Frog are and it doesn’t rise to a likelihood more than Furtive

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:44 pm
by MathBlade
Mainly Titus if I have to pick a scum it’s probably you whiteknighting Frog based on play.

I think Furtive is scum here

And you were all “no no can’t push Frog” when I tried earlier

But luckily I don’t have to pick *right now*

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:50 pm
by Titus
We likely will flip Furtive today, and I likely will still feel Frog is town. That doesn't mean that this position is irrelevant.

Frog could very well be scum taking advantage of Furtitive's "joke". It's reasonable doubt. Mafia isn't played to beyond a reasonable doubt standard but hardly irrelevant.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:53 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2408, Titus wrote:We likely will flip Furtive today, and I likely will still feel Frog is town. That doesn't mean that this position is irrelevant.

Frog could very well be scum taking advantage of Furtitive's "joke". It's reasonable doubt. Mafia isn't played to beyond a reasonable doubt standard but hardly irrelevant.
It’s irrelevant for today.

There are finer details and when we repost action list EoD (to avoid the “I didn’t see it” excuse) she’ll see it.

It’s not that it’s not important. It was irrelevant to the TLDR right now.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:55 pm
by Titus
Assessing the validity of Frogsterking's complaint is the number one issue. We can't just assume something is a guilty because it's easy to do so. If you're giving a tldr, do it right.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:59 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2410, Titus wrote:Assessing the validity of Frogsterking's complaint is the number one issue. We can't just assume something is a guilty because it's easy to do so. If you're giving a tldr, do it right.
It’s a guilty based on already exposed evidence

Furtive claimed VT
Frog claimed JOAT
Furtive confirmed JOAT

Ergo Furtive is guilty.

If he somehow happens to be town he learns not to do that or be better at it.

It’s not a red check but it’s as close as one gets without a cop.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:03 pm
by Titus
In post 2217, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 2216, Enchant wrote:Not_Mafia - Vigilante
Enchant - Vigilante
Frogsterking - Didn't Claim
MalcolmTucker - Didn't Claim
Big Chungus Gaming - Loyal Bodyguard (Didn't claim actions)
Spoiler: Acts
N1: ???

Save The Dragons - Didn't Claim
furtiveglance - Didn't Claim
PookyTheMagicalBear - Follower
Spoiler: Acts
N1: Titus. Result: Investigative Action

Cape90 - Claims "Not Investigative"
Titus - Didn't Claim
Toogeloo - Claims "Investigative"
MathBlade - Vouyer
Spoiler: Acts
N1: Cape90. Result: No one.

marcistar - Modified Tracker
Spoiler: Acts:
N1: No Action

MariaR - Vanilla Townie
Alisae - Vanilla Townie
kittytacky - Fruit Vendor

Spoiler: Acts
N1: Not_Mafia



Did i miss anything?
Put me down as a gated, loyal, voyeuristic, investigative vanilla town.
@MariaR, How would you take this post by furtiveglance?

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:14 pm
by Cape90
VOTE: furtiveglance

Might end up needing to do this anyways, maybe for a valuable lesson to either myself or the rest of the thread. Hopefully myself

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 4:26 pm
by MariaR
In post 2412, Titus wrote:@MariaR, How would you take this post by furtiveglance?
Eh. joke post probably I still think the role itself is near damning.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:30 pm
by Titus
I still have my conflicts but I don't see how I can resolve them.

VOTE: furtiveglance

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:36 pm
by Titus
I almost forgot. Frog's question.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:40 pm
by Titus
I'd turbo lim MalcolmTucker tomorrow based off the readwalls and applying the rule of three.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:45 pm
by MathBlade
In post 2417, Titus wrote:I'd turbo lim MalcolmTucker tomorrow based off the readwalls and applying the rule of three.
What’s the exact role you got for Malcolm Titus?

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:47 pm
by MathBlade
Assuming it’s vanilla I’d rather not elim Malcolm as with the amount of power scum probably have 0-1 goons at most.

I’d like to see how Pooky settles out.

And I think Ro3 would have to be from before Furtive knew he was outed

I’d have to ISO him which I can do overnight

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm
by MathBlade
Of course all of this assumes furtive scum which is likely.

If I had to speed elim anyone it would be
Furtive scum -> speed elim Titus
Furtive town & Pooky town -> speed elim Frogger maaaaaybe. And if Frogger scum elim Toog
Furtive town and Pooky scum -> speed elim no one

Like if Frogger is scum I am pretty convinced Toog traitor.

But meh my reads are all way too conditional and I probably die
I guess speedlim is more “pressure heavily”

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm
by Frogsterking
Can you talk about your Malcolm read a little bit Titus? I think he draws a lot of suspicion in his Town play and I feel like he is going to flip Town based off what he's written. I've misread him once before so I'm open to being wrong, but he is kinda different than that game I misread him.

Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:55 pm
by Frogsterking
Math I still don't know why you think Pooky is Town. His ISO is extremely scummy.