Medieval Mafia - Game Over

[Tarhalindur]

Second rule of Tarhalindur town play: I suck at scumhunting (especially not buying Mafia defenses... Vi in Mafia 87, and now Scotmany here).

First rule of Tarhalindur town play: I am very, very good at breaking setups in half.

Also, did Tajo not know he was a Tracker, or did he lie about his role???

[Tarhalindur]

Now, roles? (I figure they'll show up eventually, but I'd prefer sooner rather than later.)

[Slicey]

Note to self: Never replace in an OGML game. I'm always scum. I actually replaced because I saw that cow was a confirmed town, and I knew that scot was scum (he did NO scumhunting the entire game, for obvious reasons.)

I got at least one mason right (DGB). I thought the other one was tajo, who I also thought was a rolecop. >___>

ugh if Xyl didn't pick three town players in his group, scum may have had a shot at winning. >_>

[OhGodMyLife]

The Town

Tarhalindur:

You are

The Venerable Bede

(672-735), a Benedictine monk and famous scholar from the kingdom of Northumbria in the British Isles.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminted.

qwints:

You are

Salahuddin Ayyubi

(1138 - 1193), famous leader of the Muslim resistance to the Third Crusade. You were well known even in Europe for your chivalrous behavior.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

crywolf20084:

You are

Geoffrey Chaucer

(1343 - 1400), famous English poet and author best known for your unfinished work,

The Canterbury Tales

.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

farside22:

You are

Dante Alighieri

(1265 - 1321), the poet from Florence who authored the famous masterpiece the

Divine Comedy

.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

sam.samhorn:

You are

Leif Erikson

(970 - 1020) , the Norse explorer who was the first European to discover the new world.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Yosarian2: (Modnote - Immune to kills performed by Vlad the Impaler AND Hereward the Wake)

You are

Flavius Belisarius

(505 - 565), great Byzantine general, considered by many to be "The Last of the Romans." Your sword is sharp, and your armor strong. Piercing weapons will do you no harm.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

stark: (Modnote - Immune to kills performed by Prince John)

You are

Brian Boru

(941 - 1014), High King of the Irish and a near mythic figure in the storied history of the island. A hero of the people, you can't be branded an outlaw.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Korejora: (Modnote - Immune to kills performed by Tomas de Torquemada)

You are

Thomas Aquinas

(1225 - 1274), the great Italian theologian, and model teacher of the Catholic priesthood. As a man of God, you may not be accused of heresy.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Caboose:

You are

Jeanne d'Arc

(1412 - 1431), the maid of Orleans, national heroine of France in the Hundred Years War. Each night you may target another player, and if that player would be killed, you will be martyred in their place.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

zwetschenwasser:

You are

William Wallace

(1272 - 1305), national hero of Scotland in the Wars of Scottish Independence. Each night you may target another player, and if that player would be killed you will be martyred in their place.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

populartajo:

You are

Temüjin

(1162 - 1227), better known by the name Genghis Khan, the man who united the fierce Mongol tribes of the Asian steppe. With your swift mount, each night you may follow one player, and you will learn who, if anybody, they target that night.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

DrippingGoofball:

You are

Johannes Gutenberg

(1400 - 1468), the famed German inventor. Your invention of the printing press is one of the criteria historians use as the boundary between the Middle Ages and the Modern Era. You're too busy working on your next great invention to use it yourself, but each night during the game you may use your printing press to grant a player a second vote for the next day. You may not target the same person twice.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

camn:

You are

Hereward the Wake

(1035 - 1072), also known as Hereward the Outlaw, an Anglo-Saxon ruler of medieval England and leader of the resistance against the Norman conquest. Your life served as the basis for many legends of Robin Hood. You have three arrows, which you may use to kill another player by night or day, by PMing the mod. You may only make one kill per day or night phase, and only three kills total over the course of the game.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Xylthixlm:

You are

Charlemagne

(747 - 814), King of the Franks. In order to enforce the king's justice, you have founded

The Vehmgericht

, a secret tribunal consisting of three members. On night one, you must select three players (other than yourself) to be the members of the Vehm. These three players will, from that point on, be able to communicate in secret, and have the power to decide on a night kill. As long as you are alive, you may appoint replacements for dead members of the tribunal. The Vehmgericht will live on even if you die, and will only cease to function when all three members of the tribunal are dead.

Players recruited for the Vehm will recieve this PM:

You have been nominated to

The Vehmgericht

, a secret tribunal with the power to execute one player each night. The other members of the Vehm are XXXX and YYYY. You may now night talk with those players, though you have no information about their role or alignment, and the three of you must agree (by majority vote) on a player to execute. Additionally, you must agree on a single member of the Vehm to carry out the sentence, and this player will not be able to use any other night abilities on the same night.

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

The Mafia

scotmany12:

You are

Gilles de Rais

(1404 - 1440), a French noble and soldier who is better known as the prolific serial killer that inspired the Bluebeard fairy tales. You are a member of the mafia along with XXXX (Tomás de Torquemada), XXXX (Prince John) and XXXX (Vlad the Impaler). You make a kill every night as a group, but must decide which of you carries out the kill. When you are the killer, the victim will be beheaded. You may not perform the mafia kill on consecutive nights.

You win when your faction comprises a majority of the town, or nothing can prevent the same.

Slicey:

You are

Tomás de Torquemada

(1420 - 1498), Inquisitor General of Spain. You were one of the chief supporters of the Alhambra Decree, which expelled the Jews from your glorious nation. In the same year, you witnessed

Christopher Columbus

set sail on his historical journey to the Americas, where you know he still is right now. You are a member of the mafia along with XXXX (Prince John), XXXX (Vlad the Impaler), and XXXX (Gilles de Rais). You make a kill every night as a group, but must decide which of you carries out the kill. When you are the killer, the victim will be tried for heresy and burned at the stake. On any night you do not perform the kill for your group, you may torture someone for information, learning their true name.

You win when your faction comprises a majority of the town, or nothing can prevent the same.

Kmd4390:

You are

Prince John

(1167 - 1216), heir to the throne of England. You are terribly unpopular and wish only for the imminent demise of your brother

Richard the Lionheart

so you may ascend the throne. Fortunately, he is away on Crusade in the holy land, leaving you to manage affairs back home. You are a member of the mafia along with XXXX (Tomás de Torquemada), XXXX (Vlad the Impaler) and XXXX (Gilles de Rais). You make a kill every night as a group, but must decide which of you carries out the kill. When you are the killer, the victim will be declared an outlaw and drawn and quartered. On any night you do not perform the kill, you may lock a player in your keep, preventing them from taking any actions.

You win when your faction comprises a majority of the town, or nothing can prevent the same.

Rogueben:

You are

Vlad the Impaler

(1431 - 1476), the mad Romanian prince. Remembered by Europeans for atrocities committed against civilians, it is thought that you are the inspiration for Bram Stoker's Dracula. You did in fact do Europe a service as a strong buffer against the expansion of the Ottoman empire. As such, you know that the great Ottoman Sultan

Suleiman the Magnificent

is safely removed from the scene. You are a member of the mafia along with XXXX (Tomás de Torquemada), XXXX (Prince John) and XXXX (Gilles de Rais). You make a kill every night as a group, but must decide which of you carries out the kill. When you are the killer, the victim will be impaled on a stake. On any night when you do not perform the kill, you will be unnightkillable.

You win when your faction comprises a majority of the town, or nothing can prevent the same.

[hasdgfas]

just saw the game was over and wanted to apologize for replacing out, but I was not able to keep up with this.

[Tarhalindur]

Note to self: Never replace in an OGML game. I'm always scum. I actually replaced because I saw that cow was a confirmed town, and I knew that scot was scum (he did NO scumhunting the entire game, for obvious reasons.)

I got at least one mason right (DGB).

I thought the other one was tajo, who I also thought was a rolecop.

>___>

ugh if Xyl didn't pick three town players in his group, scum may have had a shot at winning. >_>

Heh heh heh.

See, that's EXACTLY what we wanted you to think. I spent a good portion of Day 3 trying to give you guys that impression.

[Slicey]

also, I will never play a game with you ever again Tar. You're way too good.

[farside22]

Tar you are assume. I really did believe the town play was to lynch a vanilla, but you called it.
Now I can do this.

TAJO TAKE YOU'RE META ON ME AND SHOVE IT!!!!

I feel better.

[Tarhalindur]

I called EVERYTHING except for the following:

- 3x scum having safeclaims (why the hell they didn't use that Richard the Lionheart safeclaim for scotmany I don't know, same for hasdgfas claiming his real role name instead of Christopher Columbus)
- Populartajo being a tracker (why didn't you claim that, poptajo? I could have given us an autowin much faster that way - OGML likes his trackers).
- Yosarian2 being immune to Hereward daykills (the reveal wasn't enough for me to know he was daykill immune - that Yosarian Vehm kill looks much better to me now, we dodged an arrow - er, bullet - there.)

[Slicey]

scotmany epically failed with his claim XD

[Tarhalindur]

Camn, DGB, any problems if I post the QuickTopic?

[OhGodMyLife]

Night One

DGB vote motivates Xylthixlm
Caboose protects Yos2
Xylthixlm appoints DGB, Tar and camn to the Vehm
Tar kills qwints on behalf of the Vehm
tajo tracks Tar (to qwints)

hasdgfas investigates Tar
Kmd blocks Xyl (ineffective, founding the Vehm was an immediate action)
scot kills Yos (redirected to Caboose by bodyguard action)

Night Two

DGB motivates tajo
Tajo tracks farside (no target)
Tar kills Yos on behalf of the Vehm

Slicey kills Xylthixlm

Night Three

DGB motivates camn
camn kills scot on behalf of the Vehm
Tajo tracks farside (no target)

scot kills DGB

Night Four

Tar kill Slicey on behalf of the Vehm
Tajo didn't even have time to get a choice in before the game was over

Slicey kills Tar in proper vengeful fashion

[hasdgfas]

I called EVERYTHING except for the following:

- 3x scum having safeclaims (why the hell they didn't use that Richard the Lionheart safeclaim for scotmany I don't know, same for hasdgfas claiming his real role name instead of Christopher Columbus)
- Populartajo being a tracker (why didn't you claim that, poptajo? I could have given us an autowin much faster that way - OGML likes his trackers).
- Yosarian2 being immune to Hereward daykills (the reveal wasn't enough for me to know he was daykill immune - that Yosarian Vehm kill looks much better to me now, we dodged an arrow - er, bullet - there.)

Columbus, name cop? Really? I couldn't see a way to make it fit and thought I'd roll the dice.
(hope it's ok I'm participating in post-game after leaving. I was interested, but falling behind was a vicous cycle)

[hasdgfas]

I also didn't realize it was supposed to be a safeclaim until I claimed. >.>

[OhGodMyLife]

Comments:

The mafia utterly failed to communicate with one another, which in my opinion definitely contributed to their total breakdown from day two onwards. They barely discussed their roles with each other and never shared safeclaims in private, leaving scot stranded without a claim when he needed it. Things could have turned out VERY differently if scot had had something safe to claim (or hell, if he had even claimed one of the sample roles), as he was coasting on some pretty high opinions from members of the very dangerous Vehmgericht.

hasdgfas claiming his real rolename was probably the biggest blunder of the game, I would have to say. This too could have been avoided by a little bit more mafia foresight and coordination - pregame discussion by the mafia was literally one "I'm here" post from each member and nothing else. Any sort of discussion of the level of flavor involved in the roles and mechanics might have tipped somebody in the group off to the fact that the flavor of kills might be directly traceable.

tajo, I don't think I'll ever understand your insistence on farside being scum. Hell, by day four you had actually confirmed her as town with your role, unless you believed there were two scum left at that point - you had a negative track result on her for both the night of the burning kill and the beheading kill.

Tar, well done cracking the setup open. This game was meant to make flavor an integral part of the game, and you were the first person to really notice this. I know Korejora realized this as well, but too late, as she was apparently lynched while in the process of working out that the flavor of her PM almost definitely made Slicey scum and her a partial BP.

[Tarhalindur]

I called EVERYTHING except for the following:

- 3x scum having safeclaims (why the hell they didn't use that Richard the Lionheart safeclaim for scotmany I don't know, same for hasdgfas claiming his real role name instead of Christopher Columbus)
- Populartajo being a tracker (why didn't you claim that, poptajo? I could have given us an autowin much faster that way - OGML likes his trackers).
- Yosarian2 being immune to Hereward daykills (the reveal wasn't enough for me to know he was daykill immune - that Yosarian Vehm kill looks much better to me now, we dodged an arrow - er, bullet - there.)

Columbus, name cop? Really? I couldn't see a way to make it fit and thought I'd roll the dice.
(hope it's ok I'm participating in post-game after leaving. I was interested, but falling behind was a vicous cycle)

Veteran explorer flavor comes to mind.

Of course, if I had been Mafia in your position Day 1 I would likely have hijacked one of the other two scum's safeclaims, both of which can be justified by royal historians/informatants/intelligentsia looking up what information they can find about the player... Columbus works better for someone like Vlad the Impaler (would work really well as flavor for an UNK role, except that standard UNK Townie is an autolynch claim in the current meta).

[hasdgfas]

Didn't know the other safeclaims as nobody wanted to talk pregame. I wanted to make sure everyone was there before starting discussion, but that blew up

[Tarhalindur]

Side comment: DGB pretty well proved that her scumhunting is hit-or-miss at best here. She pegged onto Kmd and Rogueben nicely, but on Night 3 she both wanted to leave Scotmany alive (WTF WTF WTF) AND tried to switch her vote motivate to SLICEY, of all people. I mean, my gods, people...

[Tarhalindur]

Comments:

The mafia utterly failed to communicate with one another, which in my opinion definitely contributed to their total breakdown from day two onwards. They barely discussed their roles with each other and never shared safeclaims in private, leaving scot stranded without a claim when he needed it. Things could have turned out VERY differently if scot had had something safe to claim (or hell, if he had even claimed one of the sample roles), as he was coasting on some pretty high opinions from members of the very dangerous Vehmgericht.

Oh.

WTF.

That does explain the bad hasdgfas falseclaim, though. A good falseclaim maker could probably have cobbled something together from the Christopher Columbus safeclaim, but the others were better (and scotmany REALLY needed that safeclaim).

I'd love to see that QuickTopic, just to see the Mafia fail to use their best weapon (being the informed minority). Would our Mafiosos like to help out with a nice link?

hasdgfas claiming his real rolename was probably the biggest blunder of the game, I would have to say. This too could have been avoided by a little bit more mafia foresight and coordination - pregame discussion by the mafia was literally one "I'm here" post from each member and nothing else. Any sort of discussion of the level of flavor involved in the roles and mechanics might have tipped somebody in the group off to the fact that the flavor of kills might be directly traceable.

OMFG. Surely they've learned that at minimum you post your role PM pregame.

Also, you'd think that Mafiosos would know that, when you have a defined kill method, that means that kill method is potentially traceable.

Also, DGB - about those daytalking Mafiosos...

tajo, I don't think I'll ever understand your insistence on farside being scum. Hell, by day four you had actually confirmed her as town with your role, unless you believed there were two scum left at that point - you had a negative track result on her for both the night of the burning kill and the beheading kill.

*facepalm*

Good thing the Mafia miskilled N3, or Slicey might have pulled the game off.

Tar, well done cracking the setup open. This game was meant to make flavor an integral part of the game, and you were the first person to really notice this. I know Korejora realized this as well, but too late, as she was apparently lynched while in the process of working out that the flavor of her PM almost definitely made Slicey scum and her a partial BP.

Breaking the setup open was pretty much a function of WWTD? (What Would Tarhalindur Do?). Heavy emphasis on killing roles and kill-preventing roles, strong flavor component - the setup really reminds me of my just-completed Suzumiya Haruhi game, tbh.

There's a reason I'm a good moderator and a mediocre player (until endgame and massclaim) - as I said above, I'm a bad scumhunter, but I'm VERY good with setups.

[OhGodMyLife]

Oh and one more comment - zwet's crazy fakeclaim shenanigans were actually an incredibly powerful town tool during and after his short stay in the game. I don't know if he thought it through that way or was just trying to mess around, but he absolutely had a big impact on the outcome of this game.

[DrippingGoofball]

Camn, DGB, any problems if I post the QuickTopic?

Go ahead!

In my defense, there was something funny in the municipal water when I was thinking that scotmany may be town when we were discussing who to vig. I have no idea what I was thinking there. Some wires got crossed in my brain.

All yesterday, I was jumping up and down like a crazed monkey from my chair. "Kill Slicey! Kill Slicey! Ooo-hooo-ha-ha-haaaaaa!" I was climbing the curtains and swinging from the chandeliers.

[DrippingGoofball]

Side comment: DGB pretty well proved that her scumhunting is hit-or-miss at best here. She pegged onto Kmd and Rogueben nicely, but on Night 3 she both wanted to leave Scotmany alive (WTF WTF WTF) AND tried to switch her vote motivate to SLICEY, of all people. I mean, my gods, people...

No really, you were absolutely correct. There was a fatal flaw in the program there. I apologize.

[DrippingGoofball]

First rule of Tarhalindur town play: I am very, very good at breaking setups in half.

You were amazing, in a knock-your-socks-off kind of way.

And I can't believe TSQ/Rogueben lived so long after his little outburst, which soooooooooo screamed 'caught scum.'

[Rogueben]

Well done to Tarhalindur and the rest of the town at the end there.

I agree that the biggest reason that we lost this game is that we weren't an informed minority at all. The fact that there were two replacements in the mafia didn't help things either.

Thanks to OGML, the game ran smoothly and the setup was interesting.

I found it really disturbing how quickly I went from being on everyone's town lists to definitely scum list. I'm not sure exactly what changed so quickly and I think that's why I was so affronted when people started saying I was scum.

I'd like to get confirmation from the rest of the scum before posting the quicktopic.

[DrippingGoofball]

Rogueben, thanks for replacing. As far as I'm concerned, it really wasn't your fault, but on account of your predecessor's behavior, I was really certain that your player slot was scum, and I wasn't going to let go. I would be curious to know what changed people's minds as well.