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In post 2423, MastinSSK wrote:

In post 2419, Just Sheep Us wrote:This p5 flash wagon over mastin or RBD is shit.

Okay. How many of {Kagura, AP, Mac} are you scumreading?
Townreading?
Nullreading?

Additionally, if townread, how much do you trust in their competency?
If not a scumread, how much trust are you willing to place in them in spite of them not being a townread?

In post 2423, MastinSSK wrote:

In post 2419, Just Sheep Us wrote:This p5 flash wagon over mastin or RBD is shit.

Okay. How many of {Kagura, AP, Mac} are you scumreading?
Townreading?
Nullreading?

'Cause that's the PV wagon.

Ive basically given up on JSU. Their reads are just terrible this game and they are being absurdly stubborn.

In post 2425, Cabd wrote:

Votecount 1-24

With 17 players alive, it will take 9 votes to lynch or nolynch.

PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon,

MastinSSK

, Mac, Clyton,
MastinSSK (3): CupcakePanda, The Fox and the Hound, Yukari Yakumo,
Just Sheep Us (2): orcinus_theoriginal, Red Gyarados
AngryPidgeon (2): Lord Business, Rancid Broderick Drake
Rancid Broderick Drake (3): CarbonFiber, Just Sheep Us, PeregrineV

Not Voting (2): Titan, Breaskfast with Stalin

With 17 players alive, deadline is set for 18 days: (expired on 2014-04-18 00:01:39)

Derp. Forgot Clyton.
Speaking of which, that PV wagon actually has promise. If Rancid switches his vote, that's 5/9.

Oh so we're approaching deadline.

This probably won't be a popular read, but I feel like there's at least 2 scum amongst [mastin, AP, BRODESP]. Can't really tell relationship between them and I'd be happy to see all 3 dead.
I remember having a Pere-scum read earlier in the day but I can't remember how it came about anymore.

SOUL CHANGE
-Luciana

Falcon - Can you tell me why Lord Business's first post to me rang as town to you?

*about me

In post 2432, Titan wrote:Falcon - Can you tell me why Lord Business's first post to me rang as town to you?

Mostly gut and tone. He just seemed really forceful. I am not as sure now because I am still trying to reconcile whether he faked it but the reason for faking was because he wanted to hide his alt as opposed to hide his affiliation. He is one of the only people who is not a strong townread. What do you think?

~ F-16

In post 2434, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 2432, Titan wrote:Falcon - Can you tell me why Lord Business's first post to me rang as town to you?

Mostly gut and tone. He just seemed really forceful. I am not as sure now because I am still trying to reconcile whether he faked it but the reason for faking was because he wanted to hide his alt as opposed to hide his affiliation. He is one of the only people who is not a strong townread. What do you think?

~ F-16

I'm not sure. The reason why it struck odd to me that you read him as town for it is because you know who he is. (And I don't want to go into a meta discussion about him, but I can understand the people coming to him cold going oh look that's observant and it looks town; it just throws me a little when you say it looks town.) And yeah, I can see him just doing it to hide his alt, and if he was going to press the issue he could have easily doubled down on being suspicious of me over it but didn't, and in that regard it looks townish. However, I know my mafia weaknesses and that type of thing is one of them and I'm feeling low on suspects here, so I'm not sure what to think.

I get why you think it is off for me to read him as town because you don't think that I should consider it above the level of stuff that he can fake. But the thing is, there is a very specific way he attacks players and backs down from them that is difficult to articulate and pin down.

Do you remember in NY169, you went inactive for a while, and I called you and asked to discuss my scumread on him initially in the game and asked about your thoughts based on the VisCon game? I had that feeling then. I later pushed it to the back of my head but I know the feeling I had and why and it didn't raise those same alarms here. I am not strongly townreading him. At the time I made the read, it was early in the game and it felt somewhat townish. But now, he is probably the weakest, nullest townread if that makes sense.

~ F-16

As for the lack of suspects, I am feeling surprisingly confident on where the scumteam is: MastinSSK, Rancid, AP, and one of {Clyton, LordB, and maybe Yggrdra Union but I don't think so}.

In post 2423, MastinSSK wrote:

In post 2419, Just Sheep Us wrote:This p5 flash wagon over mastin or RBD is shit.

Okay. How many of {Kagura, AP, Mac} are you scumreading?
Townreading?
Nullreading?

'Cause that's the PV wagon.

Except you leave out the part where you've been pushing for it constantly.

And would be on it at this point if you had a vote.

In post 2425, Cabd wrote:PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon,

]MastinSSK

, Mac,

Clyton

,

Hey mastin:

Bolded are the names of people that are below the null/null-scum line.

In post 2427, AngryPidgeon wrote:

In post 2423, MastinSSK wrote:

In post 2419, Just Sheep Us wrote:This p5 flash wagon over mastin or RBD is shit.

Okay. How many of {Kagura, AP, Mac} are you scumreading?
Townreading?
Nullreading?

'Cause that's the PV wagon.

Ive basically given up on JSU. Their reads are just terrible this game and they are being absurdly stubborn.

Oh come on.

I'm the only person who correctly read you when you came in.

You know what I'm capable of doing when I turn on.

Why the fuck aren't you working with me.

muffin wrote:Nati, on the other hand, seems to think she's really blatantly scum. And he's reading her based off tone or something I think? Not sure. WE HAVEN'T TALKED IN A WHILE AND I DON'T THINK HE PLANS TO READ THIS BULLSHIT

If this is true, this is actually quite depressing because it means every other time he read me accurately he was just pissing in the dark and just hit the target by sheer luck.

muffin wrote:

tammy wrote:I don't have great reasoning. I'll admit there are some things that feel more consistent with his town game, particularly there are a few things that give me the feeling of mastin from last years Harry potter game. The refuting reasons for a town read of himself, some of the tone of his arrogance, and his protectiveness of another player all feel like that. As for the rest, you're not going to get great reasons from me because it all goes to how I read people, especially before a scum flip and extra especially on day one. He feels orchestrated and his reads feel fabricated; it doesn't feel like he's processing this game in an organic way without knowing people's alignments. I'm not as convinced of this as I was earlier, but it's still the feeling I get from his posts.

Elaborate

'coz I get the exact opposite feeling about mastin's posts and I want to know which of mastin's reads you feel this way about

You cut off part of my post to ask me to elaborate, and I don't know why. I also don't know why you're asking me to elaborate when I specifically said that it was something that I couldn't really explain. Also, since it follows me also talking about things that have me conflicted. I feel like you know that I'm not going to elaborate, and that this is something that basically equates to gut and is something that I can't explain any further than I did. I feel like you know how this conversation is going to go because it's the same thing from Attack on Titan and what caused you to tell me that I'm terrible at mafia because I couldn't really verbalize why I felt that Pasch was scum beyond he felt fake and fabricated.

In post 2439, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 2425, Cabd wrote:PeregrineV (4): Kagura, AngryPidgeon,

]MastinSSK

, Mac,

Clyton

,

Hey mastin:

Bolded are the names of people that are below the null/null-scum line.

Except my vote doesn't actually count.

And you've done zero explaining on Clyton.

(For that matter, very little on me, but eh.)

And that doesn't answer my questions:
Who (if any) on there are you townreading? And how much competency do you place in them?
Who is null? And how much do you trust them?

In post 2440, Just Sheep Us wrote:Oh come on. I'm the only person who correctly read you when you came in.

You know what I'm capable of doing when I turn on. Why the fuck aren't you working with me.

The question isn't why he isn't working with you, but why you're not working with him.

In post 2440, Just Sheep Us wrote:Oh come on.

I'm the only person who correctly read you when you came in.

No, I think Orc and others did? I might be mistaken.

RBD really is town though, I just cant see them being scum. MastinSSK -could- be, but Id really rather not lynch that today. And Desperado is trying to say all 3 of us are a team which I mean just wow. I dunno man, I just dont like either of those lynches and you guys are not interested in any of my 6 people that Ive said Id rather lynch today, so meh.

In post 2365, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 2361, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 2356, CarbonFiber wrote:Also, RBD is HATED which means we don't want them around in LYLO. Why is everyone hardcore defending a scummy player that should be policy lynched for being hated that just got counterclaimed as a miller?

~ F-16

F-16, look past the role. Look at the play. And look at other zmuffin town and scum games. You know, that meta stuff you do. Tell me how their play looks like their scumgames. Convince me. I don't think you can, but you absolutely won't convince me on the basis of you both being millers.

Why are you this obsessed about lynching the person you're counterclaiming in a fucking CABD game?

Nothing that Muffin has posted in the thread is a genuine effort to solve the game. His primary purpose in the game is browbeating everyone who scumreads MastinSSK. Him, Mastin, and AngryPidgeon make the most sense as a scumteam.

Muffin as town is actually useful to the game. See Cash Cabd, he was incredibly obvious town there.

Also, why are you against voting a hated claim? They ought to be lynched at some point before LYLO. With them alive, we have one less lynch.

Nati's posts are nothing like his play in NY169 where he was genuinely trying to work with players and solve the game. Like it's that obvious, I don't know what to tell you or how to convince you and I don't know even if I can and I don't know if anyone can. You are not a player that uses reasoning to refine reads. It is more of a "

have you read this player correctly before

" type with you. I explained why Casso was scum or at least not town in NY169. Your response was to say that you believe Mara's and Sakura's townreads over my scumread because they have experience playing with Nacho never mind that the don't have the accuracy that I did.

I made a huge long rant about your play but I decided to delete it. You have more experience with Nati so nothing I say is going to convince you. So, I guess I'll wait for Nacho to come and knock sense into you because whether or not you are convinced depends more on who is making the argument as opposed to whether they make a persuasive case. So, yeah, I am not going to bother.

~ F-16

This is kinda discouraging because I trying pretty hard to work with you. But, this post kinda explains the vibe I've been picking up from you in this game, so maybe that will help in figuring out your stances and interactions down the line.

I don't know if you remember, but in 169 I had concerns about zmuffin from pretty early on and never townread him that I recall. His vote on Ser Arthur crystallized the read in a way that doesn't often happen for me in games. Maybe all that was 100% paranoia.

I'd trust Nacho's read of him because of Nacho's recent experience playing with him as scum...to a point. They misread each other really badly in mini 1543 and I took full advantage of the opportunity their mutual misread offered.

You're thinking about nati in the context of ny 169 but his real life situation has changed significantly since then in terms of when and how frequently he can be online. That was evident in watching him moderate the mini game. and in NY 169 there were fairly lengthy periods where he was disconnected from the game. I'm not sure why that wasn't apparent to you. Maybe my activity covered for his lack during those times. Some players did confuse our posts at times.

Anyway, If you get the lynch you want, at best it will mean that we removed a negative utility at the cost of removing a strong town player if my read is correct. zmuffin basically had the mini game I mentioned figured out on day 1 before he and nacho distracted the hell out of each other.

In post 1773, PeregrineV wrote:

In post 1597, Titan wrote:I don't know what to make of Pere's posting though; I feel he'll always be a damn enigma to me :/

Wrapped in a riddle inside a mystery?

But seriously, if you question something, why not ask?

Sometimes asking you questions causes more confusion. I much prefer to see what you do with things unprompted. I'm not sure it makes it easier to read you, but. If something piqued my interest that I needed explaining I would; haven't seen anything yet.

...I kinda want to lynch Angry Pigeon.

In post 1812, CarbonFiber wrote:

Tammy

,

please don't leave the game. Don't be discouraged from posting because of the load of fluff in the game. I was a little exasperated as well but I am trying to find out what is important and what isn't. You are literally one of the only players I am seeing eye to eye with that is also active and posting a lot of reasonable things that I can understand in the midst of all the other stuff to parse through.

Your posting is not bad and anyone who is critisizing it or complaining about it is either scum or can't read. If I have to pick one playerslot's posts I am looking forward to reading in this game, it would be yours. We both have very, very similar reads and I need your help in POEing the rest of the game. Get in here and play the game and we can win this by D4 after hopefully four scum lynches.

inb4 AngryPidgeon: "LOL buddying"

~ F-16

<3

Thank you. I just really needed a break from mafia for a few days. I thought my desire for a break would last longer, but it didn't

In post 2446, Titan wrote:...I kinda want to lynch Angry Pigeon.

In post 2446, Titan wrote:...I kinda want to lynch Angry Pigeon.

So do I, doesn't mean he's mafia, though.

<3 AP.

(He could be, but eh, not today. We'll hash it out later.)