I'm not going to like
"Case" Dan
I'm not going to turn everything he says into a scumpost.
When I think I figured out what happened I will say my thoughts and act accordingly.
Right now that means look at Cabd and Dan's ISOs and look at Flipped Scum and see what I find.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 12:54 pm
by A2
As for Cabd's ISO
I want him to case Dan.
I feel like he's been playing a super low effort game
Also right now I don't like the fact that he's making me and Dan go at each others throats while he just sits and watches. He should be treating this as LyLo too ya know, but instead he's making us do all the work for him.
Like in 1050 upon re-reading I feel like what Cabd could be doing here is he could just be trying to get me to not talk about his scumbuddies (I've announced SRs on Fire and Keyen at this point)
As his relation to Keyen, I'm dropping the "Scum!Keyen didn't want me to dance with town!Cabd point." I think it's just in attempt to distance himself from Cabd.
Doing Dan Now.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:03 pm
by A2
Okay my concerns are right now Dan bussed.
I don't feel like Fire targetting Dan was a coincidence. I feel like it was planned mostly in attempt to distance.
I feel like Fire knew was getting bussed and decided to play along with the guy who was bussing him in attempt to distance.
I felt like Fire was doing his part to make himself getting bussed look as good as he possibly can for his partner.
I feel like Dan's push on Dunn wasn't natural, Like for example his last point in 2268 kinda is just suboptimal play coming from town and somehow Dan spins that to be scummy.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:03 pm
by A2
Okay Cabd.
You're putting effort into this game now.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:24 pm
by Cabd
In post 2428, A2 wrote:Okay Cabd.
You're putting effort into this game now.
When I get home I am. You're not getting major effort without a keyboard. I've been mobile for nine hours.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 1:26 pm
by A2
I can wait~
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:25 pm
by Cabd
Home. Let me get a keyboard and dig in.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:47 pm
by Cabd
Digging into ISOs.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 2:49 pm
by Cabd
In post 2426, A2 wrote:Also right now I don't like the fact that he's making me and Dan go at each others throats while he just sits and watches. He should be treating this as LyLo too ya know, but instead he's making us do all the work for him.
This isn't untrue. But it's mostly because I know I'm town and the game has basically come down to which of Hebi or I walk. We can do it the lynching way too but you know, same diff.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:07 pm
by A2
I know I'm town and the game has basically come down to which of Hebi or I walk. We can do it the lynching way too but you know, same diff.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:19 pm
by Cabd
Spoiler: All posts of Keyen this game, with some of them colored in but some of them are impossible to tell what is quotes or not so fuckit.jpg
In post 439, keyenpeydee wrote:All these talk about how we play this game is boring, party pooper, etc etc. Let's just do what we ought to do and let the game flow.
I'd like to know why you proposed to dance with Gigabyte out the gate. Nothing else interesting here.
Giga
is an amazing person and I would like to play with her <3 though I don't think I would be happy to dance with her since she doesn't like hoods. i'll think about this.
and omg everyone wants me um...
I think I need some sleep and thinking about this before I decide the dude I want to dance with.
Pair with
maxous
I think both of you will do great
In post 436, penguin_alien wrote:True story, I had a high school boyfriend who dumped me, then asked me to prom a week later 'as friends' while telling me not to worry if I declined because he had set up a back-up date with a mutual friend. Yes, I made sure to set that mutual friend up with someone else before turning the ex down. Don't do the backup thing, ha.
This is savage loool
and being a backup hurts
it feels like you're just an option.
In post 584, Mint Berry Crunch wrote:keyenpeydee - I really don't like this slot. I feel that they just want to get this phase out of the way, and join for a dance. No sorting of players, or showing it at least. This is who I'd leave out for the dance.
You're right. I really want to have a partner and play the game because this is why I signed up for this game. All these talks about how we should play the game is meh for me.
In post 588, keyenpeydee wrote:Actually, if I don't get a partner, it's fine for me to leave. I can feel this game will be more "personal" fights than actually playing the game.
The people who I can confidently say they could be town:
Vecna
- his posts doesn't really feel coming from scum.
Priscila
- though his tone is quite aggressive, I could say I'm leaning town to this person.
Maxous
- townread because most of his posts I agree with.
Giga
- townlean
A2
- townlean
Maybe town:
Cabd
Penguin
Fire
LLD
- she produced a lot of contents that includes sorting people, trying to help town, though I don't really like how she wants us to play the game with that scorched earth thingy.
RC
MariaR
The person who I can confidently say he could be scum:
Dunnstral
- don't like his posts and anything about the slot.
Still trying to sort:
Mint
Action
In post 590, keyenpeydee wrote:Guys is this how you play mafia because I don't know how to
I have so many homeworks that I would really love to prioritize with so goodbye for now.
In post 615, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i agree but there A2 tr doesnt sit well with me and i'm not really liking ali so far
what are your thoughts there?
Idk what to think of
alisae
yet. I know her as the person who's bubbly but compared to here, she seems off of her personality. Maybe because of her trying to change her spammy playstyle?
In post 615, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:i agree but there A2 tr doesnt sit well with me and i'm not really liking ali so far
what are your thoughts there?
Idk what to think of alisae yet. I know her as the person who's bubbly but compared to here, she seems off of her personality. Maybe because of her trying to change her spammy playstyle?
Ya'll can let me deal with ALisae. We're gonna have a nice chat. Just me, Alisae, and a chair with rope.
In post 757, MariaR wrote:this is bs and I am prob auto leaving the dance
See I knew you'd say that. Can we just talk and not jump to conclusions about it? I want to get a good read on you this game and I'm not jumping to conclusions, if you feel I should be townreading you we can talk about it
You think I'm scum and I think you're scum what's the issue? We can just both leave and be done with it you say I am scum the
moment
you get any type of support not out of no where you only say it when someone else has the guts to say it first your thought process doesn't make sense you wouldn't feel bad for me if you really thought I was scum because you'd be thinking I was faking it I've told you more then 1 time scum me wouldn't dance with you if I was scum I would not dance with you at all it's stupid to wifom the risk thinking I can trick you or something like that so yeah you're scum and I'm leaving
I get town frustration here and I'm still convinced that both of these slots are town. I was actually scumreading
Dunn
until he posted where he said he thinks
MariaR
is scum and that actually felt sincere or appeasing? Idk, just felt he's town by that post. My opinion between these two pairs is just wait to have a PT, and you can sort each other there.
--
Also I remembered that I should explain why I was scumreading
Cabd
, and I think I still need to sort this slot since I'm getting a town vibes from him. I think the only thing I dislike from him is how he says he can read his wife which is kinda unbelievable for me. I get an impression of "Of course
P_A i
s his significant other, so why can't he read her?"
Not really sure if I'm actually correct that
P_a and Cabd
are really together irl, but most of what has been said, that's what I thought of them.
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In post 782, Vecna wrote:It appears people are having a rather hard time making up their mind who those townlocks are though.....
Maybe ill have to turn off my usual town-"charm" for a little while and try to cuddle up to people for a bit.
Do this and I can say you're scum from being too cuddly.
would fake a post like that I think it's a srs post but it's a NAI post
ugh, sorry
I really do feel like if you're town I'm ruining this game for you if you've been looking forward to it
Is this what you call sincere or appeasing?
Not sure if I'd go with sincere since
LLD
and
Hebi
said
Dunn
is appeasing.
--
Forgot to address something about
RC/LLD
, I think most people scumread them from being themselves, which if they're town, we'll lose a *could be* asset from town. Seriously, if both of them are town, this game will probably end with a town win.
In post 810, Cabd wrote:There's zero universes in which I draw scum with her and then both make a big show of being bummed I couldn't pair with her AND hard defending her to the point of citing one of my 100% tells. Why create that much attention to her? DO you think she's such a weak player that I'd have to defend her here instead of letting her do her own thing, or in the worst case, feeding her the answers from a scum topic?
This has a point actually
--
In post 822, Cabd wrote:I invited her to this game with the intent that it'd be like playing together and fun.
Things changed once we entered the thread and mechanics breaking got involved. I haven't played this setup before in any depth. I didn't really bother exploring it till the game began and your "scortched earth breaking strats" came up.
This is by far the most summarized post I want to express in this game. This is why I don't really feel this game.
--
The interactions between
MariaR and Dunn
on page 34 just makes me convinced both of them are town.
--
In post 830, hebichan wrote:Like literally half this game has been people going on about how they wanted to play this game with their friends, so we're sort of past the point of bias.
Oh my god yes
this is why i still don't have a partner
but this is also the reason why I asked
giga
because she's an amazing person
--
LLD
doing this "~" makes her tone feel scary but friendly
--
In post 839, Vecna wrote:Wish we could just hurry this phase along already, this is all starting to resolve around inter-personal memes and drama and people trying to polish up their own ego
This is by far the most scariest laugh I've ever read
--
In post 916, RadiantCowbells wrote:I think that Keyen is the most likely to be pocketed and I am fine with seeing them gone
I've been here for 1 year but I still don't get the word "pocketing." Can someone please explain that to me?
--
In post 921, Vecna wrote:Yeah im not really sure im interested in pairing up with Mintberry Crunch overly much, so ill just leave it up to Gigabyte whether im gonna participate in this game or not.
You can pair with
Giga
and I can pair with
Mint
because me and
Mint
need to sort each other out.
--
In post 955, A2 wrote:Um, you know Cabd and Penguin are married right?
Cabd
probably has some way to correctly read P_A.
@Keyen
can you talk to me about Cabd more?
Like
gimmie an actual case
If you read my above post, you'll see what I think of Cabd.
--
I still don't have a read on
Shiro
and
Dan
tbh.
--
In post 972, Priscila wrote:If Penguin isn't scum then the last one should be in A2/Mint/Vecna/Gigabyte.
Why do you think Vecna and Giga are possible scums?
--
Done catching up. My free time is up and I need to study my lessons. Goodbye! Also, take note that these are my original thoughts and I change my mind a lot, so it's really better for people to see my thoughts before changing them. Apparently not posting my original thoughts and changing them is the reason why some people don't get me a lot.
In post 1016, A2 wrote:Except the thing is
if he was town
I probably woulda townread him already
and I don't care about his posts at all
and has he even been scumhunting???????????
You wouldn't townread me if you're scum, of course.
--
In post 1026, A2 wrote:if Keyen was town
I am like
pretty sure I would be townreading him by now because he would have wrote something I care about
Aww too bad you're scum this game, Ali. I think I might actually scumread you for the same reason how you scumread me: If you were town, I would've probably townread you too. Also can you please link me a game where I'm town and I was all into scumhunting? I feel like all my games either town or scum doesn't involve a 100% scumhunting.
I think Cabd and Ali would make sense to partner together if they were scum. Feels like Cabd went to Alisae, which is his scumbuddy, when he couldn't partner with his wife. I actually want to say that P_A could be scum, but she's too town to be scum.
It's okay to not like me, RC.
But this actually has a point.
Vecna is a more asset to town than me.
--
In post 1090, Firebringer wrote:Is everyone going to act like an ass to me because I scumread them?
They act like an ass to you because you state your scumreads without any explanation afterwards.
--
In post 1100, RadiantCowbells wrote:honestly I'm not but me getting called scum by everyone and everyone trying to leave my townreads out of the dance makes me very uninterested in trying to sort people.
You don't need to be self-centered when playing mafia games.
In post 1165, A2 wrote:Okay Giggles
connect the dots for me
because I clearly do not get it.
have you ever seen scum keyen before?
like
think about players like creature who just are really bad at scum and cant fake a thought process so they get really nervous and dont do anything or implode in thread kind of
thats scum!keyen too
hes capable of playing it up and reading like newbtown but it generally doesnt last since he almost never comes up with substantial reads. i'm seeing thoughts and i'm seeing effort even if it's passive
This is one of the reason why you should partner with me because you can read me right.
--
In post 1190, A2 wrote:Cabd and Me are friends
but our pairing formed naturally.
In post 1262, hebichan wrote:Key hasn't really been engaged with the game at all.
Sorry
School is hard sometimes
and I need to prioritize school first
and the only time I can play Mafia is my free time
so I'm desperate to read the game without actually giving any thoughts.
I'm more active on Friday and Saturday.
Even knowing that hes like my direct confrontation for a partnering, and itll look iffy for me to say so......
But of the 5 remaining players I think Keyen should be left out because at least theres a little chance he flips scum. His lasts few posts seem to be a little too "in the grain, and buddy-buddying".
Still think he's most likely town, but id prefer the person to be left out to be Keyen, or maaaaybe Dan because he doesnt seem as active.
Priscilla, Maxous and me will probably add more to the game - even though Maxous and Priscilla are probably going to be slightly stubborn persons to argue with.
If I hurt the game with my lack of contribution, I'd be fine being left out though it will hurt town and my feelings.
In post 1377, keyenpeydee wrote:Like seriously everybody townreads me but everyone wants me to leave lol
EBWOP
In post 1388, keyenpeydee wrote:I will start to ignore Alisae now because he's a fucking scum
In post 1391, keyenpeydee wrote:The main reason you scumread me is because you think I'm 0% scumhunting. You don't even read my thoughts on the game and how i try to play the game.
If you're scum, you win, because I can't even fucking handle being pressured.
In post 1394, keyenpeydee wrote:You're acting like if I'm town, you are townreading me now which is complete bullshit
In post 1395, keyenpeydee wrote:Don't play with me again Ali if you're going to read me for dumb reasons
In post 1396, keyenpeydee wrote:Like most of my games here doesn't involve a 100% scumhunting lol
In post 1391, keyenpeydee wrote:The main reason you scumread me is because you think I'm 0% scumhunting. You don't even read my thoughts on the game and how i try to play the game.
If you're scum, you win, because I can't even fucking handle being pressured.
My main concerns is your progression over me and that you're points on me is just you attempting to win a debate and not a genuine evaluation of those posts.
That's my thoughts on you and you should deal with it.
In post 1401, keyenpeydee wrote:Lol if everybody thinks that I am weak player, then i'll go ahead and leave this game. I just want you all to know that yall should be sure that yall are doing the right choices.
In post 1494, ActionDan wrote:I disagree that it's natural to call Dunn/MariaR a town pair and then let them decided in their Pt or the emergence of a scum read on A2 and subsequent reassignment of Cabd as scum. The latter of which is either completely reactive, or you know, fake.
As far as I know, my thoughts are my thoughts and it's not my problem if you think it's fake.
In post 1551, keyenpeydee wrote:Honestly, I think it's much better if I'll just leave the dance. It's a wise decision for people to enjoy the game and for me to finally take a break from playing mafia.
In post 1552, keyenpeydee wrote:Giga and Vecna should pair. I'm confident that both of these slot are town.
Priscila
should be with
Hebi
.
Mint
and
Dan
are the ones who I don't townread at all, so I could confidently say they could flip scum.
In post 1554, keyenpeydee wrote:I don't think I can trust Priscila with Hebichan though. Vecna and Hebi should be together fwiw.
In post 1604, keyenpeydee wrote:Giga and me aren't scumbuddies.
The reason I only want to dance with her is because I want to play with her regardless of her alignment, but I'm pretty sure she's town here.
In post 1590, Vecna wrote:youve been saying the entire game youd prefer me over key, but now hes suddenly your strongest townread? and youre trying to force keyen to stay in even though the majority seems to want him out?
I think she prefers to pair with you because she's your friend. She wants me to stay because she thinks I'm town and I can say that she knows how to read me.
The people who I can confidently say they could be town:
Vecna - his posts doesn't really feel coming from scum.
Priscila - though his tone is quite aggressive, I could say I'm leaning town to this person.
Maxous - townread because most of his posts I agree with.
Giga - townlean
A2 - townlean
Maybe town:
Cabd
Penguin
Fire
LLD - she produced a lot of contents that includes sorting people, trying to help town, though I don't really like how she wants us to play the game with that scorched earth thingy.
RC
MariaR
The person who I can confidently say he could be scum:
Dunnstral - don't like his posts and anything about the slot.
Still trying to sort:
Mint
Action
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:23 pm
by ActionDan
Ok I've reread and I've reconfirmed that A2 wasn't bussing. If you were, well played because I don't see posts like 955, 1016, 1019, 1021, 1025 and 1026 as interactions between scum buddies. I find those posts even more convincing than the main case on key in 1383, which stands on its own merits still to me. Later reading the progression on fire after the first dance, feels really good considering the above, like to borrow your own words, a "natural" scum read extension from pre-dance combined with the knowledge that Key was scum.
There's a couple things I would like answers about though. Some I can guess at, but I'd like to hear your own words
1) you linked a game in post 1029 to show a difference between town key there and key here. Even knowing his alignments in both now, I can't spot a difference between the two when you hard town read him in that game. What's the difference, what would have made you care about what he said in that game
2) What made you prioritize lynching Firebringer first dance over the Dunn/Maria pair. Did your scum read of Dunn and/or Maria go up or down relative to Firebringer?
3) regarding your most recent post on me in 2427, you have said plenty that my push on Dunn wasn't natural, and now you cite 2268's last point but you posted this in 1886:
In post 1886, A2 wrote:Lol your votes have 0 merit.
Maria's "merit" is fabricated bullshit.
As far as I can tell, you started scum reading Maria around here. In 2427 you're calling this suboptimal play coming from town but why is it unnatural of me to call this for the BS it was especially when thought Dunnstral was scum?
4) Also from the same post — What to you makes my push against fire look more like a bus and less like a push against scum from town? Like I don't understand this sentiment at all. I know I'm highly biased but I'd be less concerned if you said the same about key than fire, considering how things turned out at the end. I don't do theater like that. Never have never will. But regardless I don't understand how you look at that and feel "yeah looks like a bus".
---
I will try to get a more proper reread of Cabd.
For now I want to know what gave you the impression you were snowing P_A here?
some cuts.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:40 pm
by Cabd
In post 2437, ActionDan wrote:For now I want to know what gave you the impression you were snowing P_A here?
Mostly? Instinct from her phrasing and the lack of heavily pushing me. There's a very specific way we treat each other if actually scumreading one another. And what she was doing wasn't it. It's "deathtunnel mc deathfunnelface" if anything.
In post 2437, ActionDan wrote:For now I want to know what gave you the impression you were snowing P_A here?
Mostly? Instinct from her phrasing and the lack of heavily pushing me. There's a very specific way we treat each other if actually scumreading one another. And what she was doing wasn't it. It's "deathtunnel mc deathfunnelface" if anything.
Like I can state with near 100% certainty that her PT from the interlude is her telling Maxious how town I am. And that I'm being lazy.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:48 pm
by Cabd
For the record: The reaosn I dislike playing with players like Firebringer is because they do this shitty "make a billions posts, none of them with reads or sustaince" thing as both alignments and get away with it. At least he had an excuse here.
The two most relevant quotes; both coming after he'd walked out knowing what his flip would be AGH.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:50 pm
by Cabd
In post 1354, ActionDan wrote:GBT, with regard to your observation in post 610 it's quite reasonable to raise eyebrows at. I did too. I think it was the only thing, or at least, the only somewhat important thing, I disagreed with in P_A's posts. I didn't make the jump to considering that scummy though and in the context of my overall holistic read I've compartmentalized it as a minor blot on her posting record.
---
Out of the remaining gentleman, I want to leave Key out. I don't find him explicitly scummy per se, but between posts 977 and 1350 the thoughts expressed are all tripping over each other. Examples abound: in 977 Key is convinced Dunn and MariaR slots are town but still casts doubt by both quoting a post of Dunn's to question its intent and also abdicating some responsibility for the read by wanting them to sort it out in the Pt; The read on Cabd meanders throughout both posts from scummy to maybe town to scummy again with the only new input being a scum read on A2 and an associative tell based on that which is not a sound one in any case; the scum read on A2 itself supposedly comes from the fact Key hadn't developed a town read on the slot but it's quite clear that it's pushback from A2 not town reading Key first and deciding that he should be the one to go.
On that last point I would agree with A2 that 977 and now imo 1350 don't contain evidence of scum hunting.
---
I will probably make a proposal later tonight. Of the unpaired girls other than hebichan, and of the girls in general, my strongest town reads are P_A and GBT, by far. I will probably propose to one of hebichan or P_A since both have expressed a desire for me to do so and GBT has other stronger feelings towards other gentlemen. I know Key is one of them but it's not my place to take away the responsibility for that decision from GBT. There's other things like Hebichan not liking Vecna and Priscila probably going to blow up on P_A if it happens but I'm not the type to meddle in these calls.
I also can bet that once I do propose, it will likely create a cascade effect and things may be going quicker than you'd think. So this is a warning and an advisement to air what you will soon.
cut. I strongly advise all unpaired girls to try and pair if possible. you can be choosy, but pair.
If this is a bus I'm very proud of you dan. Especially the "cascade" thing is just so likely to come from town.
Also A2's original case about Key is indeed a case coming from town.
:~( This can't be true sentiment AND factual at the same time.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:55 pm
by Cabd
No matter who it is there was heavy bussing :~(
Fuck.
I came into this expecting it to be very clearly and obviously A2.
Plus my gambit.
But now... ugh.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 3:58 pm
by Cabd
Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2017-08-10 19:00:00)
One more day to get it right.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:24 pm
by Cabd
. I was really hoping everyone else would be around tonight.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:24 pm
by A2
I'm here
I'm responding to Dan atm.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:27 pm
by A2
1) He seemed like he cared about the game there, like he was making an attempt to scumhunt. Here his scumhunting is just...Absent.
2) I was starting to forget why I scumread Dunnstral, so I went for Firebringer instead and I wanted to help Cowbells push that since it was a read we both agreed on. Maria was one I got from interactions during the First Dance but even then pushing Firebringer was a priority for me since I though that had more chances of flipping scum due to Associatives.
3) Maria was just saying "Keyen v A2 could be a SvS" without looking at flips. Dunnstral was saying "A2 is being extremely hostile and it bothers me." Maria blantantly did not care about Flips, Dunnstral just concerned that I was hostile and wanted to figure out if it was AI or not.
4) Honestly it's mostly just judging by gamestate and how it went down. Ever hear of the bussing method called Divide and Conquer? A group of scumbuddies scumreads the other and vice versa. I'm saying this is what happened here in attempt to open up a bunch of false dichotomies. I'm saying the way Fire approached it made it seem like this is what was going on. I'm saying instead of going for Maria/Dunn, Fire was going down and you decided to hop on for cred.
There you go Dan.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:29 pm
by A2
I am so
so
so
so tempted to just hammertest Cabd.
Posted: Tue Aug 08, 2017 4:30 pm
by A2
Like
it just looks so much like Cabd is just waiting for one of us to make a move
but okay ill change to a more appropriate one if i get a chance
