Gameshow Mafia (Reroll): Game Over

[NanceFloor]

imo D1 scum lynches are antitown

Bad for town or antitown? Not always. Town should always try to lynch scum, anything else is gamethrowing.

~N

[NanceFloor]

Ehh, 2410 was too tongue-in-cheek.

Let's do an exercise here,

TMCK

. Let's say you're hypothetical scum.

Who would scum-you want to pair with?

1)

LHF or someone scumread

2)

Someone highly townread

3)

Someone conftowned by role or other mechanic

Now, who do you think scum would like to get a lynch on?

1)

2 LHF/lynchbaity town

2)

1 LHF and 1 buss-able scum

3)

That pair nobody would throw rope at... most likely because of only one person.

Dance

gives scum control.
Yes, there is valid information to be gained through flips from

Dance

, but does

1of4

,

Coalition

, or even

Reveal

not qualify as a good alternative?

Also, we don't get an NK at all if we use

Dance

:

Selectable only with an even number of players alive.
The game will have a 48 hour commercial break, in which the Mafia must pair all living players. The pairs will be announced, and town must choose a pair by majority vote. Both players in that pair will be eliminated from the game. The Mafia cannot kill after this power.

Somewhat giving

kittybells

"the eye"

for his vote there at the moment because he knows better. 2313

Anyway, I need to go for real now. See ya in a bit guys

...did you even do the exercise?

and there's a lot better ways to get info.

if we do

dance

, my motivation is taking a hit.

why is

coalition

bad here? why is

1of4

and

reveal

not something you've evaluated specifically

tmck

?

Is there anyone in their right mind not townreading Taly yet?

~Nancy

[Ankamius]

imo D1 scum lynches are antitown

Bad for town or antitown? Not always. Town should always try to lynch scum, anything else is gamethrowing.

~N

I
see
town
almost
exclusively
lose
games
with
a
D1
scum
lynch

[Ankamius]

'gamethrowing'

yeah ok

[NanceFloor]

Salutations!

I'm just here to feed the finest premium sardines straight out of London to my precious seal. We had an amazing catch yesterday.

Cheers.

Hi, can you try to do something useful?

[Ankamius]

good luck with that

[OkaPoka]

1of4 and stuff gives scum nk

[Ankamius]

ftr here's several reasons I don't think d1 scum lynches are good for town

1. Less associatives, scum that are pretty much fucked D1 are also very likely the scum weakest at manipulating associatives so you're cutting off that possibility already
2. Less information, scum have no reason to defend scum that they can't save
3. Towns have the amazing ability to assume that catching one scum means they caught them all, so towns are likely to be stupid for 3-4 days with lollynches before giving up and not caring to scumhunt properly anymore
4. Scum on this site are competent enough to manipulate themselves into looking good with scum lynches. Town on this site for some reason don't ever expect this.

so yeah scum lynches d1 are a big nope from me dawg

[NanceFloor]

imo D1 scum lynches are antitown

Wouldn't be surprised if it was a massive bus.

Actually I'd be pretty surprised if it wasn't a bus.

Fuscosco (7): mbaki, RadiantCowbells, NanceFloor, OkaPoka, BrightEyedFish, themilkcartonkid, JohnnyEnglish

I don’t really know how this is useful unless you have some theories on who bussed.

[Ankamius]

and btw

the reason I'm stepping back and not planning on doing much for 2 or so day phases (other than because I'm overgamed) is because there's actually a nonzero chance that the scumteam already is just lolfucked, and I'd rather let the other powertowns absorb whatever NKs so I can force town back on track later on if that is not the case

[Creature]

I don’t really know how this is useful unless you have some theories on who bussed.

I was hoping to sort this right now.

[NanceFloor]

imo D1 scum lynches are antitown

Bad for town or antitown? Not always. Town should always try to lynch scum, anything else is gamethrowing.

~N

I
see
town
almost
exclusively
lose
games
with
a
D1
scum
lynch

'gamethrowing'

yeah ok

I don’t disagree but are you suggesting we vote a player we don’t think is scum?

[Ankamius]

I predominantly think that maximizing information should be the focus on D1 rather than lynching the player with the highest scum equity but good luck getting 90% of the site to even humor that

[themilkcartonkid]

ftr here's several reasons I don't think d1 scum lynches are good for town

1. Less associatives, scum that are pretty much fucked D1 are also very likely the scum weakest at manipulating associatives so you're cutting off that possibility already
2. Less information, scum have no reason to defend scum that they can't save
3. Towns have the amazing ability to assume that catching one scum means they caught them all, so towns are likely to be stupid for 3-4 days with lollynches before giving up and not caring to scumhunt properly anymore
4. Scum on this site are competent enough to manipulate themselves into looking good with scum lynches. Town on this site for some reason don't ever expect this.

so yeah scum lynches d1 are a big nope from me dawg

Still salty from our open game huh

[Ankamius]

I'm actually not mad about catloaves at all

the scumteam played pretty well actually

[Ankamius]

let me amend that

I'm mad about insomnia tactically replacing

that's all I'm mad about though

[themilkcartonkid]

...did you even do the exercise?

and there's a lot better ways to get info.

if we do

dance

, my motivation is taking a hit.

why is

coalition

bad here? why is

1of4

and

reveal

not something you've evaluated specifically

tmck

?

Why dance is the best: we probably get rid of two lynchbait (pairs down scumreads) we identify scum by looking at the pairs with town (scum are more likely to pair with town because to do otherwise is stupid and would get themselves lynched everytime)
There is no way we get 9 town this round and I'd rather save coalition as a game ender once town is decided.
1 of 4 is another good option though. It just is risky because I might die

[themilkcartonkid]

let me amend that

I'm mad about insomnia tactically replacing

that's all I'm mad about though

That was a good example of that happening though

[NanceFloor]

I predominantly think that maximizing information should be the focus on D1 rather than lynching the player with the highest scum equity but good luck getting 90% of the site to even humor that

One word: Labrynth

I also disagree that Fucosco was scum’s weakest link. I still think that is probably overkill11.

~N

[Ankamius]

Day 1 was a no lynch in Labyrinth

[NanceFloor]

...did you even do the exercise?

and there's a lot better ways to get info.

if we do

dance

, my motivation is taking a hit.

why is

coalition

bad here? why is

1of4

and

reveal

not something you've evaluated specifically

tmck

?

Why dance is the best: we probably get rid of two lynchbait (pairs down scumreads) we identify scum by looking at the pairs with town (scum are more likely to pair with town because to do otherwise is stupid and would get themselves lynched everytime)
There is no way we get 9 town this round and I'd rather save coalition as a game ender once town is decided.
1 of 4 is another good option though. It just is risky because I might die

You can’t. We can only select coalition when less than three mafia are dead.

[NanceFloor]

Day 1 was a no lynch in Labyrinth

But only because of the Underground mechanic. You wanted us to mislynch Shoshin for informational purposes rather than obvscum Creature. The worst was the one who pushed for that and we all know how that turned out.

[Ankamius]

I thought Shoshin was scum, I didn't push her because of info

[Ankamius]

The more important thing anyways was that I wanted a non-Creature lynch because we would've traded two town for literally outed scum

It turned out to be good for town in the end because of what his role was, but from a day play perspective do you really think trading two NKs for scum!creature is worth it

[NanceFloor]

I think coalition and protect are the best options. If the majority were to agree tmck’s claim is true, that might be better than coalition.

~N