In post 2424, nomnomnom wrote:Nero is a bad lynch D1 because the reasons all of you invoked for scumreading the guy are simply not good to evaluate this kind of player.
You're not going to catch a player that likes acting slightly aggressive towards people and a bit antagonistic and taunt-ish with those things is what I'm trying to say here.
You're going to catch him by having a complete list of movements and the depth of his interactions with players when there are more flips. That's literally how I sorted him last time and I probably would have gone on his wagon multiple times if I listened to the little demon on my shoulder that said "yess yeeeeeeeees lynch the shithead"
I don't think you're responding to the specific points I brought up. My whole point is that Nero hasn't been as aggressive or antagonistic as he typically is as town. Have you read my post with the extensive analysis of Nero (it's in a spoiler)?
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:23 pm
by nomnomnom
Not really, no. But I know it's what other people have brought up for thinking he's a good lynch today. And to that, I say it's a bad idea.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:24 pm
by nomnomnom
Mostly because I don't like reading things that I think come from scum players trying to direct the whole town into making mistakes
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:24 pm
by Shoshin
In post 2424, nomnomnom wrote:Nero is a bad lynch D1 because the reasons all of you invoked for scumreading the guy are simply not good to evaluate this kind of player.
I'm glad you recognize that the reasons that people invoke to scumread a player aren't always valid for evaluating certain types of players. This applies to the reasons you've invoked for scumreading me. I'm just not the type of player you think I am.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:24 pm
by teacher
In post 2418, Detective Pikachu wrote:so given you basically just said you'd hammer him and that you basically aren't townreading him, idk, what do you make of this string of posts?
Not much tbh? I mean, I had towncased him. He was still in the only hammer if needed pile at the time he made that post, partially because I wasnt as sure on URaP. Now I know all three of his pushes were on slots I town, and that he got less willing to antagonize get involved as the day went on and his wagon is heavily town. I dont see much in here that moves my needle....
I will go to him with time left to allow a claim if need be, but Im more on URaP for the moment.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:25 pm
by Shoshin
I'm asking you to help me refine my read on Nero, Nom. If it helps, you're welcome to continue thinking I'm scum & just pretend that someone else came up with my analysis. The point is to get at the truth of Nero's alignment.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:25 pm
by teacher
Frack, that was too quick/tipsy. Now I know one of his pushes was on a slot I scum, which is why I prefer URaP. The remainder is right.
In post 2424, nomnomnom wrote:Nero is a bad lynch D1 because the reasons all of you invoked for scumreading the guy are simply not good to evaluate this kind of player.
I'm glad you recognize that the reasons that people invoke to scumread a player aren't always valid for evaluating certain types of players. This applies to the reasons you've invoked for scumreading me. I'm just not the type of player you think I am.
It's a part of it, I'll admit.
But again, there are other things that go beyond "playstyle" that makes me think you're scum that came up with the most convenient claim in this scenario.
Also, just a FYI, but going full AtE and crying that everyone is bad when you're at L-1 is not a playstyle.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:28 pm
by Shoshin
In post 2432, nomnomnom wrote:Also, just a FYI, but going full AtE and crying that everyone is bad when you're at L-1 is not a playstyle.
I didn't do this so I'm not sure why you keep pushing this narrative. I called one player bad -- Salad -- and I did that because he called himself bad & he in fact is playing quite terribly.
I called some of the players voting me "good" players who I expect better from from (e.g. U2).
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:29 pm
by nomnomnom
In post 2430, Shoshin wrote:I'm asking you to help me refine my read on Nero, Nom. If it helps, you're welcome to continue thinking I'm scum & just pretend that someone else came up with my analysis. The point is to get at the truth of Nero's alignment.
I'm not interested in that.
I gave to you reasons as to why he shouldn't be today's lynch. If you don't want to listen then I'll just take that into account.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:31 pm
by nomnomnom
In post 1569, Shoshin wrote:The problem is when you're in a game with bad players or players who don't have the correct level of confidence about their reads.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:32 pm
by ofrhz
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:32 pm
by nomnomnom
Sadly you cannot really change history. Just accept you called everyone on your wagon bad players on the basis that they voted you, it's fine lol
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:33 pm
by Shoshin
I guess Nom struggles with basic reading comprehension, because at no point did I call the players on my wagon "bad players."
It's frustrating when you can't work with teammates.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:33 pm
by teacher
We have 36 hours and are entering the V/LA of two players on Nero's wagon.
Id rather either URaP or Nero to Flubber, who felt like the shoshin counter and the who-cares-anymore lynch of a couple days ago.
VOTE: Nero
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:36 pm
by nomnomnom
In post 2438, Shoshin wrote:I guess Nom struggles with basic reading comprehension, because at no point did I call the players on my wagon "bad players."
It's frustrating when you can't work with teammates.
I can read perfectly. I also can read between the lines.
I can't work with dishonest players that cannot really accept what they said honestly. That'd help me get reassurance on your slot.
I tend to have a real problem with people that do this thing and there's a non-zero chance that I am biased, but there's a good reason for it, and scums can and will deny the truth that makes them look bad in general, so... I'd say my feeling is pretty justified.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:40 pm
by Nero Cain
Teacher, I know it was a while ago but what made you go from hard town reading me to be willing to lynch me?
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:41 pm
by Shoshin
In post 1569, Shoshin wrote:I've been quick hammered too much in the recent past to risk it. I've quick hammered scum myself & I don't believe it's a bad strategy if you have the correct level of confidence. The problem is when you're in a game with bad players or players who don't have the correct level of confidence about their reads.
I asked them to unvote when at L-1. Nom manipulated Salad into voting me back to L-1 after he unvoted. That's the point where I got scared.
Just to clarify:
The "bad player" is Salad, the "player who doesn't have the correct level of confidence" is Nom. The rest of my wagon at this time were players that I had expressly called "good players" (e.g. U2 & Teacher).
I don't like that Nom's distorting my words. I want to make sure this is very clear.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:41 pm
by nomnomnom
With that said I'm going to bed. If you want to feel really bad about today NC is the lynch. Otherwise flubber is the call.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:42 pm
by nomnomnom
@shoshin reread your ISO and tell me calling this game a joke, calling people bad, AtEing through the roof, "fuck this game" isn't calling everyone bad.
That's just how you come across.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:43 pm
by Shoshin
No, that's how you interpret me from your already-biased perspective.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:44 pm
by Nero Cain
VOTE: flubber
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:44 pm
by nomnomnom
I'm not the only one that came to this conclusion about you being emotional, manipulative, annoying in the words of skitter and doing these things in general, so there must be some truth to it. People can read between the lines. Food for thought.
Anyway, going to bed this time.
Posted: Thu Jun 20, 2019 3:46 pm
by teacher
In post 2441, Nero Cain wrote:Teacher, I know it was a while ago but what made you go from hard town reading me to be willing to lynch me?
The demotivation across the day. You say its lazy and NAI, but WIM is town. Your position on the ED wagon (which had all three of your early scumreads on it, but nonetheless indicating openness, and then pushing it after the cop claim). The speed with which you wanted to hammer flubber after that fell apart. Completely townreading the people on your wagon.
