Open 796: Haunted Village Game Over

[Battle Mage]

Taylor, it's simply not true that i tunnel you in every game we play. If you don't want to play with me that's fine, but I am currently only playing 1 game, and you are exercising a veto to prevent me from joining new games which is not fair when my understanding is that you are currently playing dozens of games, as well as blocking the queues for all new games. Given I have not broken any rules or behaved inappropriately, it doesn't seem right to me that you are effectively banning me from playing because you're upset that you got vigged in this game (not even by me!).

[Noraa]

[Noraa]

^I kicked u both

[Battle Mage]

in game after game you've voted me and stopped working to solve other slots. your case has consisted of "taylor is scum" "taylor is scum". in this game you opened by voting me in rvs, and i dont think you ever really considered the possibility i might be town. its not fun for me. its distracting for other people. it derails the game. and theres a clear pattern - when you see me in a game you scumread me. i dont have an issue with you as a person. i do have an issue with the way you consistently treat me in games.

i asked you to explain why you scumread me, and you never did beyond repeating that im scum. its fine to scumread me. i like being scumread and find that it helps me engage and solve. but i need to be able to see that theres reasoning behind it.

I did explain my scumread on you this game. And as noted, I do not scumread you in every game. I have both incorrectly townread you and incorrectly scumread you.

All of which is slightly besides the point - which is that given I haven't done anything wrong, I don't think it's reasonable for you to prevent me from playing on this site. In general, I don't agree with the practice of using out-of-game punishments to penalise players for making bad in-game decisions.

[Gamma Emerald]

As it stands if I’m having to handle a situation where you’re both signed up to I game I’m gonna mos and have issues with each other I’d probably tell you both to pack sand
Neither of you seems very mature in this situation.

[Battle Mage]

eyy guys. both of u be awesome people. pm it out. throw some virtual paragraph slippers at each other if need be but c'monnnnnn
*pinches both of u*
u be full grown peoples

I think it would probably be fair to say Noraa tunnels me in every game we play, but it wouldn't make me not want to play with her (because i recognise that her reads as town are in good faith, and it's my responsibility to prove my towniness), and it 100% wouldn't make me block her from joining games.

[Battle Mage]

As it stands if I’m having to handle a situation where you’re both signed up to I game I’m gonna mos and have issues with each other I’d probably tell you both to pack sand
Neither of you seems very mature in this situation.

*shrug* I legitimately don't have any issue with Taylor (aside from the PMing Mods thing we are discussing now, which is a discrete point). And I think I'm being perfectly measured and reasonable in conveying my view on that.

[Noraa]

guys, pm.
ik yall are mad and I understand both sides. Let's not make it a huge deal here?

[Battle Mage]

i'm not mad, just disappointed and a bit perplexed lol

i guess if worst comes to the worst, i'll just have to create some alts or retire or something. but that feels a bit silly.

[Gamma Emerald]

I think the issue is you guys have moved past the original problem but still clash over the fact you feel slighted by the other
You probably should try to reset your opinion on each other, scraping away any bias while trying to keep certain eccentricities in mind

[Noraa]

bm ..... don't bring up something like that here.
it makes it pretty difficult for Taylor to do anything without feeling completely exposed and shit.
y'all have problems and have had them for a while.
what caused Taylor to do that is something you should pm her for and I believe pming is the correct thing to do right now. I am not taking sides but am not happy you(BM) decided here was a good place to do this.

neither of you act like you are 100% right while pming and this issue will be solved in no time.
calm down and pm it out. both sides gotta let their pride down a bit to make this work. I believe in both of u and I believe both of u are awesome people. let's make this work shall we?

[Battle Mage]

thats a reasonable take Gamma. i think i tried to allude to the same in post 2417.

[Noraa]

[Battle Mage]

bm ..... don't bring up something like that here.
it makes it pretty difficult for Taylor to do anything without feeling completely exposed and shit.
y'all have problems and have had them for a while.
what caused Taylor to do that is something you should pm her for and I believe pming is the correct thing to do right now. I am not taking sides but am not happy you(BM) decided here was a good place to do this.

neither of you act like you are 100% right while pming and this issue will be solved in no time.
calm down and pm it out. both sides gotta let their pride down a bit to make this work. I believe in both of u and I believe both of u are awesome people. let's make this work shall we?

Noraa, tbh I think it's better we didn't have this convo via PM - from my perspective PMs are actually the issue here (specifically PMs which have been sent to Mods preventing me from joining new games), and I think some transparency and clarity here is welcome and reassuring for me, and probably constructive to resolution as it enables people like yourself and Gamma to give a helpful view. Rest assured I'm being completely honest, free from pride, and perfectly calm.

[Noraa]

but BM, I do not think this is something that should be spectated upon and turned into a big mess as that is the EXACT way to ruin ur relationship with someone forever.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok well i was going to wait until tomorrow or the day after and send this as a PM but ill put it here since thats your preference.

i dont have a personal issue with you. i dont mind playing with you. but im tired of you making games less fun by consistently tunneling me. in the postgame of this game you acknowledged that you have trouble reading me. thats fine. i make myself hard to read on purpose. i know youve been on the site a long time and have your way of doing things, but i dont appreciate it when someone spends several game days across several games saying "taylor is scum" without reasoning. i wont message anyone else asking to prevent you from playing. you can quote this to the two games you signed up for today and ask to be let in, thats fine. but when the game comes around, please don't tunnel me. if you find yourself scumreading me, please have more reasoning than "taylor is scum". if i ask you for reasoning, please try to engage with me.

tl;dr im sorry. lets move past this and start fresh? no hard feelings

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well since you two are taking it out in public.
BM can be pretty blockheaded and tunneling. There are situations where he’s tunneled me/other town for wtf reasons. But just ridicule his moonlogic reasonings and he’ll likely lose steam eventually.

[Nancy Drew 39]

As it stands if I’m having to handle a situation where you’re both signed up to I game I’m gonna mos and have issues with each other I’d probably tell you both to pack sand
Neither of you seems very mature in this situation.

I personally think you shouldn’t blacklist anyone for reasons other than toxicity or blatant gamethrowing.

[brassherald]

@Brass PTs?

I forgot. They'll come in a bit

[brassherald]

Undead
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12215590

Dead dead
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12252603

[MURDERCAT]

I hope that cobra sees why FMPOV that looked like a huge scum slip and a fake guilty

[Cobra Kai]

I didn’t realize we could have duplicate roles. So I thought I *had* to be the only joat.

All good though! I’m just disappointed I never got around to changing my shot like I wanted to.

[MURDERCAT]

Yeah same, I don't think I realized into that night. Ah well it worked out

[MURDERCAT]

and talk about your tonal read on isis?

I would have to do a real meta read to say anything meaningful about this. But on D1 of our game together Isis seemed much more casual with her posts. This game she reads as more calculated to me, like we are getting her second or third thought/rephrasing instead of her first if you know what I mean? I don't know if this is scum indicative, or maybe she is just taking this game more seriously, or maybe she just hasn't been drunk since this game started but I have noticed it and I will probably meta read on it sometime on D1. Of course I did feel that her posting style was off that game too so maybe I'm being unfair

This my new tell for you Isis

[Isis]

That tell has been valid since 09