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In post 2421, Luca Blight wrote:

In post 2412, Menalque wrote:but like anyway parroting "do more, mena" isn't actually gonna make me do more and also isn't like helpful to sorting me or whatever

What is gonna make you do more and help sort you?

In post 2416, skitter30 wrote:

In post 2406, Farkran wrote:Ok i've calmed down a bit and catching up, i'm still somewhat salty but i refreshed and saw the argument is still going on and i don't want to have 20 more pages to catchup if i come back later

This is a decent explanation of why you would scumread me, but even if i do apologize for my earlier behavior, i still do not see why lucy is scummy, i'm sorry.

Allow me to explain myself better:
- i can see why you think she's *wrong*. This is easy - her case about you pocketing menalque is silly. Note that her case has nothing to do with mine for sring you, they are completely separate and independent.
- i can see why town!you would get mad at lucy. This is also easy and i think it somewhat justifies an impulsive vote on her.

However i cannot yet understand why, assuming you were on a cool head overnight (roughly 8 pages ago now?) how you are still believing that her vote switch was scummy. It just... isn't. It only makes sense if she wants to save menalque too. And you believe with all your might that menalque is town so why would she.

Do you really believe that scum!lucy would put town!mena to e-1 and then switches over onto you? Just tell me if you still believe this is the case.

- i mean i didn't really cool off overnight; i think it's kinda obvious i was still annoyed about it this morning (i.e. what you're citing is around 8 pages ago now)
- i have now cooled off and am willing to admit i may have been annoyed / tunneled (see unvote above)
- her vote on me was awful and i really disliked it, yes
- i still have hard time understanding how she can go from e1 on mena to calling me scum for pocketing him in like a page. i similarly still don't think it makes sense for me as scum to be pocketing or whiteknighting him either when i could just .... let him eat the misflip
- i still think there's scum on the mena wagon
- aside from all of that i still don't fully understand how you're reading me

In post 2422, skitter30 wrote:VOTE: day

In post 2425, Menalque wrote:VOTE: day

In post 2429, Farkran wrote:I accept all of this as a sign of good will

But do you admit that you wking a e-1 town player wouldn't be outside your scumrange? Because i mean, you did it in the past and both me and pops were there, i believe you should understand the situation here

In post 2428, Luca Blight wrote:Because you based your read on one vote, ignoring how we've played generally, and didn't seem to really consider why we were voting you

For instance, you didn't get why I was voting with Norwee when I'd said I had changed my mind on him. You jumped to lazy conclusions, and also never really followed up or revised them based on further evidence

In post 2428, Luca Blight wrote:Because you based your read on one vote, ignoring how we've played generally, and didn't seem to really consider why we were voting you

For instance, you didn't get why I was voting with Norwee when I'd said I had changed my mind on him. You jumped to lazy conclusions, and also never really followed up or revised them based on further evidence

In post 2433, Day wrote:votes onto Luca and Norwee when they're both obvtown

In post 2431, skitter30 wrote:

In post 2429, Farkran wrote:I accept all of this as a sign of good will

But do you admit that you wking a e-1 town player wouldn't be outside your scumrange? Because i mean, you did it in the past and both me and pops were there, i believe you should understand the situation here

yes i'm trying to be calmer and less annoyed, i'm sorry about earlier

it isn't outside of my scumrange i just don't get *why* i'd do that
like just because i could doesn't mean it would make sense as an actual thing to do

In post 2436, Menalque wrote:

In post 2428, Luca Blight wrote:Because you based your read on one vote, ignoring how we've played generally, and didn't seem to really consider why we were voting you

For instance, you didn't get why I was voting with Norwee when I'd said I had changed my mind on him. You jumped to lazy conclusions, and also never really followed up or revised them based on further evidence

No, not really, but I don’t think you bothered to interrogate it further

I already thought that there was reasonably likely scum in you/norwee (was leaning you originally actually) while you were both bickering early on, bc I didn’t get TvT vibes fork it

Admittedly I didn’t really read the pages in between where you changed your read but fmpov u were just shifting abruptly from this person you SR to voting with them on a wagon that was clearly gathering steam at the time and which was a v safe vote for scum

In post 2433, Day wrote:the worst take in the game.

In post 2434, Day wrote:VOTE: Menalque

In post 2446, Ydrasse wrote:what the hell is happening this game

In post 2443, skitter30 wrote:because i just don't think i make a whole massive thing for town-mena there as scum
idk how to explain better but i don't go out of my way to antognize the people who are pushing him to a misflip

i like, ikd, lightly townread him, call lucy bad or something, but don't kick up a whole fuss and just let it naturally take it's course

i just, idk, don't do what you're saying i would so i have a hard time kinda wrapping my mind around the motivation you're ascribing ot it because that's just not how i think or how i would approach it.

In post 2439, Farkran wrote:

In post 2431, skitter30 wrote:

In post 2429, Farkran wrote:I accept all of this as a sign of good will

But do you admit that you wking a e-1 town player wouldn't be outside your scumrange? Because i mean, you did it in the past and both me and pops were there, i believe you should understand the situation here

yes i'm trying to be calmer and less annoyed, i'm sorry about earlier

it isn't outside of my scumrange i just don't get *why* i'd do that
like just because i could doesn't mean it would make sense as an actual thing to do

To get credit, because why not

Menalque would never be a threat to you - he had a chance to flip regardless of your defense, but even if he survived the wagon he would hardly scumread you unless something critical happened i.e. cop claim or something

And you'd cry tears of joy with either result, am i not correct? If mena is elimed, that's one town less, if mena remains, it's one more friend in elo for you

I am not saying this MUST be the case, just that it feels weird that you would deny it could, as if it was an impossible stance for scum!skit here