The Wire, Season 1 - Final Credits!

[Nostredeus]

Ugh, because that wasn't obviously coming or anything, anyway I'm literally not getting into a wall war with two other players simultaneously here. I'll reply to the general themes in a moment once I've had the chance to write up a decent post.


(Also equinox it legit didn't take you 21 minutes (or an hour if you started typing before #2443) to write that post, let's not pretend you didn't throw that vote/post up in reaction to plessie's post yeah?)

[Equinox]

(Also equinox it legit didn't take you 21 minutes (or an hour if you started typing before #2443) to write that post, let's not pretend you didn't throw that vote/post up in reaction to plessie's post yeah?)

You can think that if you like.

[kuribo]

Yes Ben, but pointing out that I would do it as scum would serve no purpose as scum. I'd just keep my mouth shut and ride your flawed townread like in catch 22 when I let town assume the cop had an innocent on me.


Although honestly, I wouldn't have offered myself in sacrifice for Kise as scum. There's gambits, WIFOM, and misting... and then there's just stupid.

[Nostredeus]

In response to #2443:

So, let me get this straight. I'm showing a serious lack of willingness to change my reads but at the same time if I change my read on the Jason-Scotty situation I've some how ignored my previous game-state? You can't have it both ways mate, pick one side of that fence and I'll defend against it.

Regarding the SAD wagon, I had town reads on the other members PoE suggests TML scum, that's really not a controversial way of narrowing down the lynch options for today. Regarding the comment from #2314 I said two things in there not just the one you highlighted and I consider TML to be a really weird compromise lynch, I'll make you a deal though, you show me TML's case on SAD in day2 and I'll be interested in re-evaluating that position.


In response to #2445:

The reason I suspect Camn and TML is BECAUSE of their presence on every significant wagon, usually late in the day with the exception of TML on Kise but the reason I don't like that is more down to the claim. It smacks of wagon hopping, it smacks of opportunism; if you can show me another player who was on every significant wagon then I'm happy to re-evaluate, you and I know that wont be possible however.

The fact that I included Camn should tell you that I'm not just fitting reads to TML, I'm seeing the circumstances and looking at the suspicious actors then selecting the more suspicious of the two.

People suspected ActionDan, that was weird in itself (I mentioned this at the time), people then bought into what I think were weak reads based on Kuribo's playstyle.


Equinox's post:

Actually I'm gunna go eat some stuff and be back later (After work) to respond to this bit, bear in mind though the more questions you both ask the less detailed my responses get due to other commitments; wall wars are unproductive with me due to time constraints sadly .


P-Edit: What kind of a response is that. :/

[BT]

Okay kuribo, be like that

It's obvious that I mean you have a BIASED view of my behavior. You are more than welcome to have your own interpretation of things but when you disregard most of my play and point out parts of my behavior in the worst possible way, no, they aren't interpretations that come

naturally

.

And what do you, Cerulean and DV have in common? A QT, but besides that, none of you give me the impression that the current lynch possibility dangling above my slot is justified. During D2, I fully accepted the fact that I played sub-optimally and I compensated in every way I could, including volunteering to be lynched just so people like you would move on. Yet right now I'm still struggling to figure out what's making me a possible fallback option over others (hello DV, Nost) besides magical rainbow orgasms in that QT.

You said it yourself -- my play had a part in making you doubt your read. Obviously this is referring to my end-of-D2 play which plenty of people thought was town. Why? Because people are telling under pressure. It's why you want to pressure people in the first place. You got to witness one of the most pathetic sagas in my mafia career, because I decided to literally scramble and make the most out of my slot before I was done for. What more do you need?

In other news, Plessiez's #2443 is excellent. Deadline isn't far away and I'm gonna be busy for the next few days but I do want to reanalyze Nost and compare with TML/Equinox now. They're probably not scum together, at any rate.

[Benmage]

Yeah kuribo... not wanting to decipher the wine was why I didn't care to see you hang even if I was then leaning town. And sue me for still believing your slot was scum. Petapan literally lied in thread and then said he was joking.... I'm am mindfucked-baffled still.

[Equinox]

Actually I'm gunna go eat some stuff and be back later (After work) to respond to this bit, bear in mind though the more questions you both ask the less detailed my responses get due to other commitments; wall wars are unproductive with me due to time constraints sadly .


P-Edit: What kind of a response is that. :/

I'm not looking for a wall war. I'm looking for answers. I'll just keep asking until I get them.

As for my response, I did take that long, and I was surprised/frustrated/happy when I saw Plessiezarus's even bigger and better and more detailed post show up in the ninja preview. Take my preview edit as you will; I only say things from the heart~

Will take a look at the rest when I get home.

Deadline isn't far away and I'm gonna be busy for the next few days but I do want to reanalyze Nost and compare with TML/Equinox now. They're probably not scum together, at any rate.

Then you should string him up either before or after me? Hint hint?

[Equinox]

EBWOP: The first quote is Nostredeus's post 2453.

[Zdenek]

So I've tried to look at who TML's/Equinox's buddy could be if he is scum.

I don't think that Plessiezarus, Nost or BT are bussing.

I don't think that DeasVail would have the nerve to openly say that he doesn't want to derail his buddies wagon.

I don't think that TML was bussing Petapan (he'd have been bussing both Absta and Petapan on day one).
I don't think that TML was bussing CDB on Day 2 after losing a buddy and a traitor.
I doubt TML was bussing Kise today.

Leaving us with:
Benmage
Cerulean
camn
Jason

I don't think that Cerulean is scum.
Camn and Jason are unlikely to be scum because of Absta interactions.

So that leaves Benmage who a lot of people seem fairly confident is town.

[The Baltimore Sun]

Day 3, Votecount 16

ChannelDeliBird (2) - Benmage, camn

Equinox (4) - ChannelDelibird, BT, Nostredeus, Plessiezarus

BT (3) - kuribo, Deasvail, Cerulean
Nostredeus (1) - Equinox

Not voting (3) :

JasonT1981, Zdenek, Shaft

• With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.
  
• Deadline is on 9th of March at 17:15pm GMT
  
• Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2013-03-09 13:15:28)
  
• Deasvail is V/la

[BT]

Then you should string him up either before or after me? Hint hint?

TBF, yeah, I am to string him up instead of you

if

I don't know who to choose, but it's not like I've forgotten what made me look at your slot in the first place, or what made me initially townread Nost. The rereading I want to do is to confirm that I'm right in placing you over him.

I don't think that DeasVail would have the nerve to openly say that he doesn't want to derail his buddies wagon.

... Why? That's a very buddy-like stance to take, if anything else. He basically said he doesn't

want

to derail the wagon but he

just

has to make everyone look at other options. He said he agreed with the case when there was consensus but when everything died down he threw a random doubt-inducing comment in the form of "mislynch material". If you're looking for Equinox buddies, he's first in line.

[Zdenek]

The thing is that it is such an obviously buddy stance to take that I don't think he draws attention to the fact that he's taking it, when he could have just voted you.

[BT]

I don't think it's as obvious as you think it is. For him, there's always the option of citing "but I was all for it at first", plus we're facing a possible two-men-remaining scumteam. You don't exactly have the freedom to -not- take a chance to save your buddy if that's the case.

[kuribo]

It's obvious that I mean you have a BIASED view of my behavior. You are more than welcome to have your own interpretation of things but when you disregard most of my play and point out parts of my behavior in the worst possible way, no, they aren't interpretations that come naturally.

see, I read this and all I see is "I'm so fucking town, how dare you?"

[kuribo]

Petapan literally lied in thread and then said he was joking

petapan trolling? but that can't be!


we're through the looking glass now, people

[BT]

You literally did the same thing just now

You did the same thing when you subbed in, pointing to anything that seemed to possibly suggest you!town

Like, wow, man

[Cerulean]

It would really own if people would nut up and vote BT (which is, coincidentally, the name of a strip club right across the street from my school, I think this is a sign???).

This head (Empire) will be V/LA until the weekend due to a really awful exam I have on Thursday.

[Cerulean]

P.S.: The scum team is probably in {BT, Jason, Nostredeus, Benmage}

I honestly don't think Equinox is scum based off now likely ancient meta but I'll go over those when I'm done with this exam.

[Cerulean]

Actually, tempted to take Benmage out of that lynch pool since he looks really town and I've had a strong townread on him all game based off his own individual play but I'm a paranoid baby and some of his interactions with absta were kinda bad from memory.

I should probably reread that too now that I think about it.

[camn]

I'm starting to have some second thoughts here.
CDBs recent angst has actually persuaded me that he might be town. I know I act unreasonable... but I do it for a reason, and that reason is to figure out who the scum are. Deli seems authentic in his hate... and if he actually believes I'm scum, he probably is town.

UNVOTE

Now... I have never bought the Librarian wagon... but I should take a harder look to explain why. However, I love Equinox so far...I think he is an asset to the game, and I don't wanna Lynch him.

BT I have a scum feeling about... but I think he has been pretty active and a more thourough read of him would be revealing.....

Hm.
I am also entertaining the idea of Benmage scum. I know I read him as town. I know this. But that's what he would want me to think.

Hm.

[Zdenek]

I'm pretty sure that Nost is the correct lynch.

[Zdenek]

Yeah, but you never bothered to post anything that gives any hint that you seem to care about actually having an accurate read on camn at all. In a town mindset, it would be worth noting the flip at the very least makes her much less likely scum. (Or maybe you still had some reservations that it was a cross bus.) Something,

anything

that would indicate a genuine thought process.

Yes, it would have been better had I mentioned it, but I forgot, that much is obvious. It doesn't mean the thought process didn't exist. The point I'm making is that, while I have forgotten, it really doesn't point to scum, definitely not as much as you/CDB are saying it is. (in your case, enough to rank me above nost, who you have said plenty about)

Oh, and this just SCREAMS scum caught for the wrong reasons.

[ChannelDelibird]

Ugh. I really don't want to reread Nost and BT again because every pore of my scumhunting body is screaming that the Equinox wagon falling apart is a BAD THING and that I should trust my instinct. I have a day off tomorrow, though, so I will give the cases a once-over just to be a good townie about it.

[kuribo]

You literally did the same thing just now

You did the same thing when you subbed in, pointing to anything that seemed to possibly suggest you!town

Like, wow, man

quite a few differences between your posting style and my posting style, dude

[Cerulean]

And I refuse to assume BT is town

You refuse to read my posts, too.

What gives you the impression he's refusing to read your posts? This looks like you trying to discredit someone who has a scum read on you, which has been a favored tactic of yours and which is actually strengthening my scum read on you.

Don't see this as any kind of town tell. Why wouldn't scum-BT want to discredit votes on his partners wagon? Especially a tracker?

Why

would

the scumteam want to discredit votes on an even-night tracker, especially considering it was Death Fodder absta? Your logic works backwards here.

Exhibit A. No one knew that absta was death fodder, until he actually was death fodder. If it is possible that the scum team is small, then early bussing is unlikely. And your interactions in relation to absta look scummy as hell. For instance, you've made this case against TML (and for the record your case came after CDB's so you didn't get the wagon going as you later claim). What I find interesting is that you subtly throw suspicion on Absta but you don't do anything about it at all. In fact, you attack TML for daring to vote absta. Why was a vote on scum!absta a wasted vote?

My logic works fine, scum defend their buddies all the time especially if one's a pr. Your attempt to discredit my thoughts on that is scummy.

Jason was a strong scum read for us day one, and he really hasn't done anything to read as town. The only thing that clears him is his gambit and the push that TGAH gave to him.

Hi there, I happen to be one of those people that made clear that there are absta-Jason connections that clear Jason, multiple times. I know you're being lazy with your scumread on me but this is ridiculous.

So? Do you want a cookie? Just because YOU think the absta quote clears Jason doesn't mean it actually does. Jason isn't behaving like town, has been coasting and continuing his mantra of lynch kuribo, which incidentally I find it really interesting that you attacked DV for going after his scum read SAD yesterday and still having you as a scum read because he was wrong yesterday in Post 2478 (which by the way has to be the oiliest post in the whole thread so congrats on that!) BUT you haven't said one thing about the fact that Jason pushed for SAD yesterday too, was wrong, and is not reassessing today. But, I guess it's more important to just discredit your attackers than it is to actually apply a similar expectation of reassessing reads to everyone especially when you're not the one in danger.

Stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop stop.

You two are officially in time out and can not look at or speak to each other for one hour.

Note that I do think you're town -- the above is yet another quote to add to the collection, but I do think you're taking up kuribo's method of not paying attention to scumreads.

Uh-oh...are you telling me your town read of us is in danger too like you did DV? I might cry. (Empire already is, but we can keep that between us)

What was your purpose in even commenting on this? It looks like a throwaway comment to try to discredit an attacker some more and is especially so since it comes after we voted for you. That quote had not nyet nothing to do with me paying attention to a scum read. Quite the contrary, I wanted two of my townreads to stop bickering, because I think they're town and extended bickering gives scum a place to hide.

Camn - to answer your question: Nostredeus without a doubt, closely followed by Jason.

Why not DV here? Not that the other two aren't useless, but what's the thought process here?

I've made it clear that I can't follow Nostredeus' thought process, and if he's town I don't want him anywhere near LyLo. Quite frankly I can't tell if he's scum or really bad town and will lose no tears if he goes. Jason is someone I think is scummy, and don't want anywhere near LyLo either if he's town. I don't trust Jason to actually catch up on this thread nor do I trust him to get past his annoyance with a player to judge who scum really is; he's coasting and hasn't demonstrated an interest in actually contributing to this game. I mean all we have to do is see that the most he's done today is suggest a Kuribo lynch again.

Why not DV? Why DV is the better question. And you know you were full of bs in your response to Kuribo in Post 2439. You have stated a leaning town read on DV in the very post kuribo was responding too . And just so you know DV is not useless. He might waffle a bit and be unsure of his reads (but so am I a lot) but he's not useless. I've seen games where he has called most of the scum team day one, he just lacks the certainty to usually push it through. You trying to discredit him is really scummy. Besides, we're reading him as town. I think he's town and Empire's pretty decent at reading him and says he's town too, so that's a no go on DV.

Another question for DV when / if he replies to them:

This is scummy. This is trying to make it look like DV isn't answering questions that have been asked of him. I don't remember this happening, so it looks like mudslinging.

Other than the fact TGAH attacked Nost (which I'd been assuming meant Nost was probably not Police), I think Nost looks pretty awful.

Could you elaborate on this? CDB's "I don't see anything fake" is exactly the stance I took regarding Nost on D2 and it hasn't changed.

Interesting that now your position is wavering on Nost, but that's the subject of another post.