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You said nothing about POE or your other town reads. You just mention townreading Titus/ Banka. How does townreading Banka makes me scum again??? How does one strong read give you a good POE.

↑ MathBlade wrote:@TT & Kiwi Thoughts on top two wagons please.

Here's what I find very interesting about the titus wagon... I've outright asked people to sell me on the idea of scum titus, but nobody has tried. Instead, I've been attacked for defending titus(by saying I don't see anything scummy )

If the titus wagon were driven by town, then wouldn't at least of the wagoneers be interested in trying to convince me? It doesn't look sincere at all.

TFL I'm not sure of. His play during the elusive wagon was scummy, but then explained as simple attention problems. I can understand that if it's the case, and I would really hate for someone to lie about health stuff to cover for being scum. Recently, TFL hasn't been showing any interest in sincere scumhunting. Asking for clarification on mine and titus' play, and just ignoring it. He's not really curious if titus and I have been collaborating, just keeps saying it over and over.

Shos, everyone knows where I stand there.

Problems with Rubicon as well, I'm up for lynching any of those 3.

Rubicon's switch to TFL is suspicious. 2 wagons with 3 players each at the time, and he's been pushing that titus scum-slipped, but then changes his vote to an easier wagon.

We are not lynching Rubicon.

TT Myself Rubicon - Untouchable
AP and Mastina - Strong town leans
Math- Likely town but needs to get her head out of her ass and work with people.
TFL - Could be scum
Kiwi - Likely aligned with shos
Shos - Red alarms

↑ TroubledTownie wrote:Rubicon's switch to TFL is suspicious. 2 wagons with 3 players each at the time, and he's been pushing that titus scum-slipped, but then changes his vote to an easier wagon.

Rubicon was posting as he read. Kinda common for town to do. Scum have trouble emulating

Posting soon tm


But

Shos better damn fucking be town

Titus indirect attacks on me also just prove my earlier claims

@Titus, fuzzy & kiwi work well together. kiwi's pressure on fuzzy looks a lot like coaching e.g. telling him to vote, and kiwi shifted him from a strong scum read to a null read in the last week or so.

(I understand kiwi is some kind of Universal Townread, but I'm skeptical. )

Are you assuming three groupscum? seems unlikely w/ a third party

I was going by the VC ...however I did notice that TT and Titus were not when I said it on day 3. This was a mistake on my part.

Rube vote on me is just terrible and he has not defended it at all. As far as the Kiwi coaching thing this is ridiculious. I know how to play scum...I am undeafeted as scum. I dont need any coaching. Right now Rube vote and his explanation is a desperate attempt to mislynch town.

Again Rube who are your scum reads and who are your town reads. How did town reading Banka make me scum... how did you determine this as far as Poe.
Also how many pages have you read

And ..... me. I think TT might be town.. if he was scum he could of easily hammer me already.

I wax going by the vc as far as the collaberaition between Titus and TT. It just felt odd that Banka/Titus and TT had so similar votes. I would not say I did giive an explanation several times. Maybe I just didnt explain it very well.

Also Banka replaced out mid day 1.... I am not sure how you can POE based on this.

↑ Rubicon wrote:@Titus, fuzzy & kiwi work well together. kiwi's pressure on fuzzy looks a lot like coaching e.g. telling him to vote, and kiwi shifted him from a strong scum read to a null read in the last week or so.

(I understand kiwi is some kind of Universal Townread, but I'm skeptical. )

Are you assuming three groupscum? seems unlikely w/ a third party

I am assuming three group scum, each with their own powers and not powers.

fuzzy, I scumread you because you take no positions on anything important.

If you read bankai's other completed scum game, which ABR mentioned earlier, he was substantially more passive and defensive and he showed none of the town confidence he did in this game.

Town: MathBlade, TroubledTownie, Titus
Not sure: AP, mastin
Scum: kiwi, fuzzylogic

↑ Titus wrote:I am assuming three group scum, each with their own powers and not powers.

Why? And what do you mean about powers?

I'm interested in what your strong AP & mastin townreads are based on.

↑ Rubicon wrote:Town: MathBlade, TroubledTownie, Titus
Not sure: AP, mastin
Scum: kiwi, fuzzylogic

Forgot shos. Not sure where he falls on this, but kind of gut town? He probably deserves more attention than I've given him so far.

UNVOTE:

Okay I want to think about this some more.

↑ Rubicon wrote:

↑ Titus wrote:I am assuming three group scum, each with their own powers and not powers.

Why? And what do you mean about powers?

I'm interested in what your strong AP & mastin townreads are based on.

AP's general push towards getting his suspect lynch reminds me a lot of his town games. His reaching out to people and arguing for what he wants look very town to me.

Mastina could have easily gone the "paranoid of Titus" lol vote that I've seen so much of lately. She didn't and actually looked at the thread with analysis and took positions quickly. If scum, she could have been more deliberate and planned. I disagree with her shos read, but I don't think she's scum.

I'm referring to the ungeared raiders. If town can pick cop and doctor, what's to stop the game from becoming follow the cop? Logically, scum have to get some sort of powers as well based on events.

↑ TroubledTownie wrote:

↑ MathBlade wrote:@TT & Kiwi Thoughts on top two wagons please.

Here's what I find very interesting about the titus wagon... I've outright asked people to sell me on the idea of scum titus, but nobody has tried. Instead, I've been attacked for defending titus(by saying I don't see anything scummy )

If the titus wagon were driven by town, then wouldn't at least

one

of the wagoneers be interested in trying to convince me? It doesn't look sincere at all.

TFL I'm not sure of. His play during the elusive wagon was scummy, but then explained as simple attention problems. I can understand that if it's the case, and I would really hate for someone to lie about health stuff to cover for being scum. Recently, TFL hasn't been showing any interest in sincere scumhunting. Asking for clarification on mine and titus' play, and just ignoring it. He's not really curious if titus and I have been collaborating, just keeps saying it over and over.

Shos, everyone knows where I stand there.

Problems with Rubicon as well, I'm up for lynching any of those 3.

I did try to convince you. You just said "not an argument" and moved on. I hate misrep.

Banka's slot was scummy as fuck. Hell I voted it because of what it had done. Banka's play from a not knowing their meta standpoint looked scummy. Titus hasn't done much to change that impression.

And again she brings out the "I need to work with people" when I don't do what she wants. No. I need to work on lynching scum. That is it. I explain my case and explain what I believe. Contiunally saying I need to work with people is shit when I post and explain.

There are at least two scum unquestionably. There are most likely 3. Yet, you are acting like a spoiled child.

You do this every god damn game. Every single one.

Well there was the game where I pretty much told you I was survivor siding with you.

Every other game you tunnel my slot.

You also never compromise. You never try to see what is viable and read the entire game state. I've done that. It turns you into a repeated policy lynch unless you are deadbeat accurate. Which honey, you are not.

Mafia is a social game as much as it is a deduction game.

1) I pressure and see if I am right. I won't apologize for that.
2) You only bring up "I need to change my play" when you are scum. When you're town that's not the case.
3) I agree there are 2 or 3 scum left. I'm not acting spoiled by not agreeing with you when I don't see any decent arguments anywhere.
4) No...I don't. Some games I believe you're town. Just not this one.
5) The majority of the time I do scum read you yes. However, in a majority of the games I've played with you, you've been scum.
6) I don't compromise with scum. I do see what is correct based on the game state. I don't care about "viable" town is "viable" scum is hard.

1) That's not a problem but you've gone beyond seeing if you are right to "total ignorance of the gamestate".
2) Wrong. I told you that in Playing with Elements. Repeatedly.
3) You think no one other than you has made a decent argument. Really?
4) Really. Name a game where you thought I was town and never tunnelled me. Name it.
5) The majority of your reads have actually been totally fucking wrong when we've played.
6) Did I say compromise with me? No. I said work with your townreads to find my non-existant buddy. It's one thing to not care about viable when it's the start of the day. It's another thing to ignore viability when deadline is approaching. It looks like an easy place to camp out to avoid making decisions.

Titus, are you unsure whether Math is town?

Math, who you think is Titus' partner?

Yes. I am the point where I do not care. Math just never votes scum so I have been treating this like lylo.

If there is a breaking strategy, Math will refuse. It's quite annoying actually.