NY 213 - Game Over!

[Kublai Khan]

Summary: Feels like he’s not actually looking to solve the game and feels kind of self-contradictory. Not engaging deeply. Not following up on stuff. Unclear reads/doesn’t really feel like he’s trying to solve. Feels especially inconsistent in regard to lurkers.

Doesn’t help that his main five pushes are the three dead townies, the IC, and a push on FL that doesn’t fit how KK interacts with other non-contributors. Also doesn’t help he ignores/defends Android/Wave (who I scumread) while pushing every other wagon that happened yesterday.

Note- decided to go through this fully and see what results I got since I noticed earlier he doesn't mention Android, defends Wave, attacks Ousuka/Performer/Ausuka.

Huh. That looks really damning.

It'd be really town if you put a vote at the end of it. Instead the vote came a few days before. So it's not your case. It's a great example in confirmation bias. You went looking for "evidence" to justify your vote and you've found it.

You've the game repeatedly posting your full reads on everyone and you're scum-reading someone who plays differently than you. I don't play the field. I focus on a few people at a time. If I get a town-sense of someone, I drop the issue. If it's an issue I press on it.

[Flavor Leaf]

Why is that bad to have the vote come before?

I think it’s townie to just explain it afterwards because he felt it, and then explained it to himself even more.

[Flavor Leaf]

Sometimes I can’t put my readsninto words until a little later down the line.

[WhemeStar]

Yah creature is lock town

[WhemeStar]

I don’t know how I feel about fa

[WhemeStar]

I don’t know how I feel about fa

Flavor leaf*

[Kublai Khan]

Why is that bad to have the vote come before?

I think it’s townie to just explain it afterwards because he felt it, and then explained it to himself even more.

Because I've done that. As both town and scum. Hell, I hit "iso" name to your name and read a lot of stuff you posted with the "he's scum" filter and boom. You're super scummy. You're dripping with scum-intentions.

[Ircher]

Day 2 VC #15

Creature (0) -
Kublai Khan (1) - Hopkirk (2346)
WhemeStar (1) - Vaxkiller (2343)
Hopkirk (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
JarJarDrinks (5) - Andriod18 (2116), Flavor Leaf (2205), Dunnstral (2206), WhemeStar (2301), Lalendra (2334)
Andriod18 (2) - Pine (1936), Wavemode (2331)
Texcat (1) - ArcAngel9 (2072)
ArcAngel9 (1) - Texcat (1987)
Vaxkiller (1) - Kublai Khan (2423)
Wavemode (0) -
PenguinPower (2) - EspeciallyTheLies (1996), Myloninja13 (2437)
Myloninja13 (3) - Creature (1941), PenguinPower (1947), Ausuka (2434)
Scioness Sajj (1) - Golden Robster (2432)
Flavor Leaf (1) - JarJarDrinks (2327)
Not Voting (3) - Frozen Angel, Gamma Emerald, Scioness Sajj

Lynch Threshold

During day 2, it takes 12 votes to lynch a player.

Deadline

Day 2 ends on July 14, 2018 8:00 PM EDT (GMT-4:00) or in (expired on 2018-07-14 20:00:00).

Moderator Notes

EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA for an indefinite time.

JarJarDrinks is V/LA until Monday, July 9, 2018.
If you notice any mistakes, please point them out. (That includes looking at the voting history.)

Spoiler: Current Voting History

Day 2

Dunnstral: Myloninja13 (1942) --> JarJarDrinks (2206)
Golden Robster: Hopkirk (2078) --> (Null) (2096) --> PenguinPower (2112) --> Scioness Sajj (2152) --> Vaxkiller (2171) --> (Null) (2288) --> Creature (2299) --> WhemeStar (2304) --> Wavemode (2367) --> Scioness Sajj (2432)
Pine: Andriod18 (1936)
Creature: Myloninja13 (1941)
Kublai Khan: Flavor Leaf (1944) --> (Null) (2366) --> Vaxkiller (2423)
WhemeStar: Vaxkiller (2245) --> JarJarDrinks (2301)
Hopkirk: Andriod18 (2197) --> Kublai Khan (2346)

Ausuka

: PenguinPower (1960) --> Myloninja13 (2434)
Lalendra: Vaxkiller (2184) --> JarJarDrinks (2334)
EspeciallyTheLies: PenguinPower (1996)
JarJarDrinks: Andriod18 (1945) --> EspeciallyTheLies (2041) --> (Null) (2066) --> Andriod18 (2192) --> Flavor Leaf (2327)
Andriod18: JarJarDrinks (2116)
Texcat: ArcAngel9 (1987)
ArcAngel9: Texcat (2072)
Vaxkiller: WhemeStar (2343)
Wavemode: Texcat (2044) --> Andriod18 (2331)
PenguinPower: Myloninja13 (1947)
Myloninja13: PenguinPower (2437)
Flavor Leaf: JarJarDrinks (2205)

Spoiler: Previous Voting History

Day 1

Note: * = Hammer Vote

Note: ^ = Vote after hammer vote.

Dunnstral (5):

Osuka

(77) --> Texcat (1388) --> Lalendra (1623) -->

Osuka

(1758) -->

Performer

(1782)

Srceenplay

(0): (Null)

Performer

(5):

Osuka

(623) --> TheRampage (909) --> Wavemode (1051) --> Andriod18 (1765) -->

Performer

(1849)*

Joral

(0): (Null)

Almost50

(8): Hopkirk (97) --> Edosurist (226) -->

Osuka

(390) -->

Ausuka

(1205) --> (Null) (1304) --> Vaxkiller (1352) --> (Null) (1380) --> Andriod18 (1460)
Fumuki (0): (Null)
Golden Robster (13):

Almost50

(177) --> Wavemode (183) -->

Osuka

(236) -->

Ausuka (317)

--> JarJarDrinks (319) --> (Null) (546) --> Vaxkiller (602) --> (Null) (1504) --> Wavemode (1588) --> (Null) (1589) --> ArcAngel9 (1770) --> Andriod18 (1784) --> [[ost=1798](Null) (1798)[/post]
Pine (2):

Osuka

(176) --> Andriod18 (1835)
Creature (6):

Performer

(385) --> Myloninja13 (720) --> TheRampage (813) -->

Performer

(898) --> Andriod18 (1449) -->

Performer

(1846)
Kublai Khan (6):

Osuka

(76) -->

Almost50

(122) --> Scioness Sajj (388) --> JarJarDrinks (536) -->

Osuka

(725) -->

Performer

(957)
WhemeStar (3): Lalendra (234) --> JarJarDrinks (797) --> Flavor Leaf (955)
Hopkirk (9):

Osuka

(90) --> Lalendra (279) -->

Osuka

(696) --> (Null) (993) --> Wavemode (999) -->

Performer

(1273) --> (Null) (1315) -->

Performer

(1458) --> Andriod18 (1679)
Edosurist (2): Texcat (84) -->

Almost50

(222)
Gamma Emerald (3): Vaxkiller (710) --> Wavemode (1107) --> Andriod18 (1711) --> _{(Null) (1889)^}

Ausuka

(9): JarJarDrinks (89) --> Creature (104) --> Myloninja13 (429) --> (Null) (742) --> TheRampage (743) --> Wavemode (998) -->

Performer

(1604) --> Lalendra (1624) --> Andriod18 (1680)
Lalendra (3):

Almost50

(209) --> (Null) (559) -->

Performer

(1229)
EspeciallyTheLies (2):

Almost50

(83) -->

Performer

(515)
Lovebird (1): Edosurist (259)
Davesaz (1): Wavemode (1014)
Frozen Angel (3):

Performer

(1579) --> (Null) (1606) -->

Performer

(1814)
JarJarDrinks (8):

Osuka

(85) -->

Almost50

(114) --> Charles510 (186) --> Edosurist (231) -->

Osuka

(535) -->

Ausuka

(842) --> Wavemode (1112) --> Andriod18 (1410)

Osuka

(10): Wavemode (80) --> JarJarDrinks (124) --> ArcAngel9 (229) --> Pine (332) --> JarJarDrinks (353) -->

Performer

(769) --> TheRampage (771) -->

Performer

(1047) --> Vaxkiller (1359) -->

Performer

(1384)
Texcat (4):

Osuka

(79) --> Wavemode (1080) -->

Osuka

(1703) --> Andriod18 (1777)
Andriod18 (4): Kublai Khan (190) --> Lovebird (290) --> JarJarDrinks (855) -->

Performer

(1796)
ArcAngel9 (4): Texcat (81) --> TheRampage (223) --> Texcat (604) -->

Performer

(1397)
Charles510 (2): JarJarDrinks (87) --> (Null) (310)
Vaxkiller (8): JarJarDrinks (363) --> Scioness Sajj (389) --> Andriod18 (437) --> JarJarDrinks (532) --> Golden Robster (678) --> Wavemode (1078) --> TheRampage (1085) -->

Performer

(1116)
Wavemode (5): Texcat (82) --> Charles510 (131) --> (Null) (838) -->

Osuka

(867) -->

Performer

(1108)
TheRampage (3): Creature (100) --> (Null) (509) -->

Osuka

(681)
PenguinPower (1):

Performer

(1774)
Myloninja13 (4): Edosurist (233) --> JarJarDrinks (326) -->

Performer

(1554) --> Andriod18 (1787)
Scioness Sajj (4):

Ausuka

(406) --> (Null) (1325) -->

Performer

(1552) --> Andriod18 (1760)
Flavor Leaf (1): Andriod18 (1772)

Pre-Game

Dunnstral (2): Texcat (9) --> Pine (43)

Srceenplay

(1): Andriod18 (62)
Pine (1):

Osuka

(16)
Kublai Khan (1): Pine (34)
Hopkirk (1):

Osuka

(66)
Edosurist (1): Pine (42)

Osuka

(2): Pine (28) --> Wavemode (33)
Texcat (1): Pine (44)
Wavemode (1):

Osuka

(31)

[Flavor Leaf]

I don’t know how I feel about fa

Flavor leaf*

Well, I’m actually a rather chill dude, despite what it may seem on here. I’m just sarcastic/sassy, and through text it comes across like a dick. I have a mixture of self deprecating humor alongside my false bravado. Don’t get me wrong, I got that confidence, but I’m also very forgiving, and never want to actively make anyone upset. I feel bad killing off the people I’m closer to in Mafia even if I think they’re scum/threat to me when i’m Scum.

I do smoke a decent amount of weed, but like, only socially, but a lot of my close friends are everyday people, so I’m generally with them.

I’m an actor, theatre, getting a decent amount of film crew work, paying the bills :shrug: I’m an introverted extrovert. Yeah.

How do you feel now? Decent person

[Ircher]

Prodding EspeciallyTheLies (3d 9h) and Scioness Sajj (3d 12h). They have (expired on 2018-07-09 20:41:32) to respond in-thread.

Edit: Well, technically, EspeciallyTheLies is V/LA indefinitely.... but I think that is long past over anyway, so........

[PenguinPower]

Are you going to vote for anyone?

I guess I could VOTE: PP because OMGUS and they haven't really done anything to town read them on.

Still fine with this being lynched.

Not seeing why JJD is the leading wagon.

[PenguinPower]

Creature replacing out nullifies my town read on his slot.

[PenguinPower]

FL can be town for now...probably won't reassess for a bit.

[Flavor Leaf]

FL can be town for now...probably won't reassess for a bit.

Probably for the best.

[PenguinPower]

FL can be town for now...probably won't reassess for a bit.

Probably for the best.

Probably.

Why is JJD the leading wagon?

[Flavor Leaf]

FL can be town for now...probably won't reassess for a bit.

Probably for the best.

Probably.

Why is JJD the leading wagon?

Political reads basically. Survivalistic.

I think I’m about to go to KK myself. Hopkirk made some good posts.

[WhemeStar]

I need to give this game attention

[WhemeStar]

Hard to get into normal games

some1 talk to me

[Frozen Angel]

@VLA for 48 hours

I will post in between, also sorry for my disapearenece

I'm hosting a 120+ people thing sorry

[EspeciallyTheLies]

prod received. i'm vla every weekend. i'll be able to read and catch up later today after work.

[Hopkirk]

Summary: Feels like he’s not actually looking to solve the game and feels kind of self-contradictory. Not engaging deeply. Not following up on stuff. Unclear reads/doesn’t really feel like he’s trying to solve. Feels especially inconsistent in regard to lurkers.

Doesn’t help that his main five pushes are the three dead townies, the IC, and a push on FL that doesn’t fit how KK interacts with other non-contributors. Also doesn’t help he ignores/defends Android/Wave (who I scumread) while pushing every other wagon that happened yesterday.

Note- decided to go through this fully and see what results I got since I noticed earlier he doesn't mention Android, defends Wave, attacks Ousuka/Performer/Ausuka.

Huh. That looks really damning.

It'd be really town if you put a vote at the end of it. Instead the vote came a few days before. So it's not your case. It's a great example in confirmation bias. You went looking for "evidence" to justify your vote and you've found it.

You've the game repeatedly posting your full reads on everyone and you're scum-reading someone who plays differently than you. I don't play the field. I focus on a few people at a time. If I get a town-sense of someone, I drop the issue. If it's an issue I press on it.

When I put the vote down, I'd looked at how you interacted with Android, Wave, Ausuka, Performer, Flavour (though less here), Ousuka, Almost50, and a couple of lurkers. That's the main part of the case and was enough for me to move you to scum. The rest I looked at to see if I got a similar sense of things.

This, if confirmation biased, is going to be equally confirm.biased whether I do it right after reading the first set of interactions, or a few days later. So timing shouldn't matter here.

Of course whether it was put together before or after I voted doesn't change whether the content is valid or not.


Interested in some kind of reads list, especially your thoughts on Wave, thoughts on lurkers and why flavour differs.

[JarJarDrinks]

VLA is over. Will be doing catchup throughout the day and I plan to refute every terrible reason people have given for throwing a vote on me.

[Vaxkiller]

VOTE: myloninja

I don't get the jarjar votes anymore, if anyone has some logic ill be glad to hear it but I like jar jar today.

[JarJarDrinks]

scum had multiple potential NK targets such as ausuka (conf town), wavemode (neighbour + possible PR) and vax (claimed vig and implied shooting me or wavemode)

why would they avoid all of this in favor of killing a50?

when did wavemode become possible PR? Wavemode was a wagon on day 1. Seems weird to suggest he'd be a possible scum NK.

[Lalendra]

Mylo slipped down to scumlean on my list with that vote on PP. I don't see any reason for it at all, and it seemed like he was opportunistically picking on someone that he knew was not around when he was pressured to throw down a vote.