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Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:37 am
by Lady Eventide
In post 2441, Tana and Ephraim wrote: In post 2439, Lady Eventide wrote: In post 2436, Tana and Ephraim wrote:If Bitmap's IC is to be believed, along with your role and the existence of a sane cop that's way too much way to confirm people.
-Tana
I don't get firm innocents; all I can say is "did not make the kill tonight, or else is a ninja." Nor do I know a sane cop exists; plus the existence of the miller part of my role implies other potential false results even if there
is
a sane cop. Plus scum may have transporter, roleblocker, etc. I don't think you can make this assertion with any level of certainty right now.
So your role is even weaker than a follower then?, I mean, follower is indeed weak, but a miller tends to be assumed "to be town". Then there's IC, and there's the speculation of a sane cop existing (why else would there be a miller). Something here doesnt add up.
More importantly why didnt you mention the miller part of your role at day start? Or is it because you dont start as one?.
-Tana
Because I don't start as one and have no intention of ever using that ability, yes. And as this current argument demonstrates, my role is weird enough that it's no hard barrier to lynching me.
... even weaker than a follower??? Look, I don't know if followers interact with ninja normally, I assume they do. I still can't get a hard guilty on scum unless I catch them making the nightkill or falseclaiming a night action. Trueclaiming a night action does not make someone an innocent, as you well know.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:38 am
by Tana and Ephraim
RC's free to disagree with me, but that's 100% up to him.
-Tana
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:38 am
by Katsuki
Oh that's interesting. I too can't control my transformation tonight which is why no townie should target me!
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:38 am
by Tana and Ephraim
In post 2450, Lady Eventide wrote:even weaker than a follower??? Look, I don't know if followers interact with ninja normally, I assume they do. I still can't get a hard guilty on scum unless I catch them making the nightkill or falseclaiming a night action. Trueclaiming a night action does not make someone an innocent, as you well know.
Oh so that's what you meant, i thought you could only find killing actions and not... every other action.
-Tana
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:40 am
by Tana and Ephraim
But no, i wasnt specifying that you could clear people or not, i was specified that miller tends to be assumed town, then there's bitmap's IC claim, then there's you assuming a sane cop exists.
-Tana
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:41 am
by Bitmap
Tana, who's in your lynch pool today?
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:42 am
by Tana and Ephraim
My personal preferred lynch pool.
LLD.
RCE.
Maybe DDL.
Maybe a lurker that's not Katsuki.
This is based of my individual reads.
-Tana
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:43 am
by Lady Eventide
In the interests of having an actual damn counterwagon, then:
VOTE: Dr Dolittle
@T&E: I could be wrong and there could be my role without a sane cop. Bit could also be lying, though I doubt at this point. More fundamentally,
my role is not clearing.
Miller claims are very often lynched. You're just wrong about my role confirming me tbqh.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:45 am
by Tana and Ephraim
Maybe im just projecting myself, but i dont think i've ever seen scum claim miller, or if i did maybe it was a long time ago, i DID see a scum claiming miller but it was... actually a scum miller, on a game.
-Tana
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:46 am
by Titus
In post 2432, gameplay506 wrote:I wanted gamma but apparently every other person in the game townreads them or just slightly sl them
I wanted pops but I really like her since the last 15-20 pages
I wanted Titus but she has been pretty absent and idk, haven't had much development if any on that old read
This might be the only other slot I am ok with
Wanted me to what? Seriously, I get off of here and I miss like 10 things.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:46 am
by Tana and Ephraim
Titus where's your head at right now
-Tana
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:47 am
by Tana and Ephraim
Btw, RC has missed votes from me already, and i dont want to unvote while i wait in case he thinks that LE's still scum despite the claim and k-
Actually i can just tell him i unvoted i guess.
UNVOTE:
-Tana
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:48 am
by Bitmap
In post 2456, Tana and Ephraim wrote:
My personal preferred lynch pool.
LLD.
RCE.
Maybe DDL.
Maybe a lurker that's not Katsuki.
This is based of my individual reads.
-Tana
I like this lynch pool. Can you convince RC to pick from here?
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:49 am
by Tana and Ephraim
Sure, that's also from my most preferred to least preferred that im willing to lynch.
-Tana
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:50 am
by Lady Eventide
In post 2458, Tana and Ephraim wrote:Maybe im just projecting myself, but i dont think i've ever seen scum claim miller, or if i did maybe it was a long time ago, i DID see a scum claiming miller but it was... actually a scum miller, on a game.
-Tana
The point I'm trying to make here is I have no way to mechanically confirm myself as a miller rather than just scum, and as such that doesn't go into the setup math in the way that Masons, IC, a friendly neighbour, etc. would. Witness the difference in reaction you have to my claim and Bit's IC claim: you have to trust I'm trueclaiming, but you don't have to for Bit.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:52 am
by Bitmap
I'm like 80-90% sure that LE is being honest right now.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:52 am
by Titus
Apparently I missed Bitmap claiming IC
LE claimed same cop
I'm ok with an LLD lynch. I really did not like her refusal to say out her SRs, particularly in a Bitmap and LE town scenario.
I'm not transforming tonight.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:54 am
by Lady Eventide
In post 2466, Titus wrote:
Apparently I missed Bitmap claiming IC
LE claimed same cop
I'm ok with an LLD lynch. I really did not like her refusal to say out her SRs, particularly in a Bitmap and LE town scenario.
I'm not transforming tonight.
I am not a sane cop. Read my damn posts.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:55 am
by Lady Eventide
I also have been getting bad vibes from LLD, but I want to see if she gets shot in the nightz just like T&E. Not my preferred lynch as scum may resolve her for us.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:56 am
by Tana and Ephraim
VOTE: LLD
Let's do this then.
-Tana
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:57 am
by Bitmap
VOTE: LLD
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:59 am
by Lady Eventide
... Eh, sure, I'll take it. If nothing else I want to see her reactions here.
VOTE: LLD
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 5:59 am
by Titus
VOTE: LLD
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:06 am
by Titus
In post 2467, Lady Eventide wrote: In post 2466, Titus wrote:
Apparently I missed Bitmap claiming IC
LE claimed same cop
I'm ok with an LLD lynch. I really did not like her refusal to say out her SRs, particularly in a Bitmap and LE town scenario.
I'm not transforming tonight.
I am not a sane cop. Read my damn posts.
There's a reason I'm not leading.
Posted: Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:14 am
by DrDolittle