Mini 2167: Illicit Substances Mafia (Game Over!)

[Bell]

He seems pretty cheery. I’m not sure if he prefers being scum or not.

[morph the cat]

that's a low blow

Spoiler: bork cabd skype bitching about x-men mislynches

Why are you so high on +j

Play with us more so we can have better neighborhood names, then.

Spoiler: Virtual Chicago Imperium Retirement Home

Mostly tonal, a few things that popped out to me. I actually really hoped we could get a scum case to compare and contrast with. Would you be interested in our very rough outline of our town case in exchange?

[Remilia Scarlet]

I don't think the vote is really scummy echoing what IV was thinking and potentially even what Alisae was thinking in that moment.

In your own words what were you thinking?

[Bell]

VOTE: secret tunnels
I actually like flipping this more then boon now that I think about it

It sounds like you don’t plan to fake claim?

im not scum bro

People who tell me this are scum about as often as they’re not.

[Remilia Scarlet]

Mostly tonal, a few things that popped out to me. I actually really hoped we could get a scum case to compare and contrast with. Would you be interested in our very rough outline of our town case in exchange?

yeah

[morph the cat]

I think he gets relatively caught up in seeming like himself and not breaking character

So that kind of focus switch for a little repartee is something you expect from his scum game? He's relaxed and enjoying himself enough to immediately rib you for a typo with a couple puns?

[Bell]

@Alisae why aren’t you mafia this game? Is there anything you’d usually have done/not done as scum
That you haven’t done here?

[midwaybear]

I don't think the vote is really scummy echoing what IV was thinking and potentially even what Alisae was thinking in that moment.

In your own words what were you thinking?

In the moment, I was thinking that a scum April dug himself into a really deep hole with the frankly bad attacks, and he decided to go big and fakeclaim a "confirmable" role. This way he is able to stall his hang for one or two days, and might even talk himself out of it during the later game. I'm not sure what the "breadcrumbs" mean for this though.
IV sorta echoed my thoughts.

[Bell]

I think he gets relatively caught up in seeming like himself and not breaking character

So that kind of focus switch for a little repartee is something you expect from his scum game? He's relaxed and enjoying himself enough to immediately rib you for a typo with a couple puns?

Probably not. I think there’d be a lag there since there’s a further process to go through. But it’s not especially out there either way.

[morph the cat]

Mostly tonal, a few things that popped out to me. I actually really hoped we could get a scum case to compare and contrast with. Would you be interested in our very rough outline of our town case in exchange?

yeah

Spoiler: SuperSekritCaseFromOurPTNoLookingIfNotBork

Spayhalf sayz....

This read keeps moving around. It took a small hit due to play around the zmuffin/alice interactions. Part of the uncertainty comes down to a new player developing quickly. It took questioning to understand his approach to mafia to the point where we could read his posts for alignment at first. I like his interactions around reactions to his reads list, including seeing why s_s thought it looked like a forced ranking. I also like that he defends his solid reads when other players push back (e.g., Remilia read). I don't agree with some of the stances obviously, but I can see the stances coming from town much more easily than scum. I feel like a developing player drawing scum wouldn't be quite as open, free and in the moment in response to disagreements and questions that could hold stuff to trip over.

As for me, I am kind of reading it as moonlogic town. I'm effectively substituting the name titus in to all the posts and deciding it makes sense as moon logic town over moon logic scum.

[morph the cat]

And yes, that means gif isn't allowed to look either.

[Alisae]

@Alisae why aren’t you mafia this game? Is there anything you’d usually have done/not done as scum
That you haven’t done here?

I'm not a very passive scumplayer and this game I would say if I'm scum I've played it very passively. If I'm scum I'm just rolling over and dieing and I usually fight back when I'm scum in this situation.

[morph the cat]

I think he gets relatively caught up in seeming like himself and not breaking character

So that kind of focus switch for a little repartee is something you expect from his scum game? He's relaxed and enjoying himself enough to immediately rib you for a typo with a couple puns?

Probably not. I think there’d be a lag there since there’s a further process to go through. But it’s not especially out there either way.

That's one example of what I think of as textual body language. There are other things, of course. When I noticed this post while isoing him this morning, I thought it might be significant. For some players I think it's outside of where their head is at when they're scum in the game thread and there's activity happening all around. The question is whether s_s is one of those players.

[Secret Tunnel]

notscience's thoughts on April:

"What town invest claims not under duress"
"I think they are overtly playing so over the top because it would lead to them getting PoEd"

@ffery @bulge

-innocentvillager

This one. It pings me as being unimaginative.

NS’s viewpoint could probably be described in many ways but I don’t think unimaginative is one of them. If anything it takes more imagination to distrust the claim and come up with scum!April narratives.

-innocentvillager

[Bell]

I see, so as scum you’re usually more proactive about getting town read?
You don’t think your opening post was pretty townie?

[Alisae]

I see, so as scum you’re usually more proactive about getting town read?
You don’t think your opening post was pretty townie?

I'm more proactive in general.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84250 this is a scumgame that was just finished I won.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82500 also this one on Captain the Furret that I also won.

Compare that to this
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83575

[Remilia Scarlet]

@Morph ok i'm done w/ spoilers"

mostly for me it was:

1) Really seemed like he was planning to jump on me after Bell did circa 1300 and that just never materialized
2) a couple awkward engages from the get-go (see: read on my slot in particular at the beginning of the game)
3) occurrences of hedgy behavior 1894, Maria read in catchup post.
4) things like 857 and even the end of 856 Strike me as a "i need to move somebody up or down a little bit and I'm going to try to find a vehicle for that" rather than the reverse

I'm ignoring the "frantic = scum" argument. It's stupid but I think it's something he might believe as town / feel ok purporting as scum.

There have been a couple posts I liked too 1546 in particular that do seem tonally pretty good so I get where that read is coming from. I stand by what I said earlier; he seems slimy to me

[Bell]

I agree, I don’t think NS’s thinking could be considered unimaginative given his Goku spirit bomb elimination of you.
...i’m not sure the lowest bar of skepticism can be considered imaginative.

[Secret Tunnel]

I’m just floating this idea out there, again just an idea. But maybe we can compromise and give April some “time limit”. I don’t like the vague sense of timeline he keeps mentioning, it seems too easy for scum!April to weasel/talk his way out of it.

If it’s D3 and he isn’t reasonably confirmable we elim the slot.

I just want to see what people think of this idea first. If it’s an antitown idea we don’t have to continue discussing it.

-innocentvillager

[morph the cat]

I’m just floating this idea out there, again just an idea. But maybe we can compromise and give April some “time limit”. I don’t like the vague sense of timeline he keeps mentioning, it seems too easy for scum!April to weasel/talk his way out of it.

If it’s D3 and he isn’t reasonably confirmable we elim the slot.

I just want to see what people think of this idea first. If it’s an antitown idea we don’t have to continue discussing it.

-innocentvillager

Dude, it's just a fancier miller claim.

We have public alignment counts. The specific time to kill it with fire is the day before EL-LO.

[Remilia Scarlet]

As for me, I am kind of reading it as moonlogic town. I'm effectively substituting the name titus in to all the posts and deciding it makes sense as moon logic town over moon logic scum.

How do you differentiate?

[morph the cat]

@Morph ok i'm done w/ spoilers"

mostly for me it was:

1) Really seemed like he was planning to jump on me after Bell did circa 1300 and that just never materialized
2) a couple awkward engages from the get-go (see: read on my slot in particular at the beginning of the game)
3) occurrences of hedgy behavior 1894, Maria read in catchup post.
4) things like 857 and even the end of 856 Strike me as a "i need to move somebody up or down a little bit and I'm going to try to find a vehicle for that" rather than the reverse

I'm ignoring the "frantic = scum" argument. It's stupid but I think it's something he might believe as town / feel ok purporting as scum.

There have been a couple posts I liked too 1546 in particular that do seem tonally pretty good so I get where that read is coming from. I stand by what I said earlier; he seems slimy to me

I will fully grant you that he's the type of read that If i got to play director, I'd point an investigative on and hope for the best.

Alas, we exist in a world where there's a non-zero chance that said role is April, so here we are trying to solve the soup cans.

[Alisae]

@Morph ok i'm done w/ spoilers"

mostly for me it was:

1) Really seemed like he was planning to jump on me after Bell did circa 1300 and that just never materialized
2) a couple awkward engages from the get-go (see: read on my slot in particular at the beginning of the game)
3) occurrences of hedgy behavior 1894, Maria read in catchup post.
4) things like 857 and even the end of 856 Strike me as a "i need to move somebody up or down a little bit and I'm going to try to find a vehicle for that" rather than the reverse

I'm ignoring the "frantic = scum" argument. It's stupid but I think it's something he might believe as town / feel ok purporting as scum.

There have been a couple posts I liked too 1546 in particular that do seem tonally pretty good so I get where that read is coming from. I stand by what I said earlier; he seems slimy to me

hmmmm

[Bell]

I see, so as scum you’re usually more proactive about getting town read?
You don’t think your opening post was pretty townie?

I'm more proactive in general.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=84250 this is a scumgame that was just finished I won.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=82500 also this one on Captain the Furret that I also won.

Compare that to this
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=83575

Based on those games I haven’t a clue what you’re doing here.

[Secret Tunnel]

I’m just floating this idea out there, again just an idea. But maybe we can compromise and give April some “time limit”. I don’t like the vague sense of timeline he keeps mentioning, it seems too easy for scum!April to weasel/talk his way out of it.

If it’s D3 and he isn’t reasonably confirmable we elim the slot.

I just want to see what people think of this idea first. If it’s an antitown idea we don’t have to continue discussing it.

-innocentvillager

Dude, it's just a fancier miller claim.

We have public alignment counts. The specific time to kill it with fire is the day before EL-LO.

I don’t really know how to deal with a miller claim either, sorry I’m bad lol.

But okay. If we can say day before ELO then I’m all for that, that seems like a pretty reasonable way to deal with the slot.

-innocentvillager