There's really no one else I want to lynch today other than Timmy.
There's one other person I don't have a town read on. That player should be for tomorrow, but if Timmy's town, it will mean rethinking things, which I don't feel like doing now.
In post 2461, Zdenek wrote:hmmm, Tim Howard didn't appear to be town reading me, so why they would send me a one-shot Ninja is a bit odd.
Care to inform me who we were townreading at that point? (Answer: nobody cause we don't have any fucking reads)
Then why are you sending cards at all?
Your question is a good one and I don't have a good answer (i.e., probably shouldn't have sent one yesterday).
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 8:50 am
by Zdenek
Do you have enough cards to send one everyday or do they eventually run out?
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:25 pm
by Tim Howard
It is unlikely that we would run out of cards.
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 2:30 pm
by Tim Howard
also for the sake of staying in character with our avatar FUCK YEAH EAT IT GHANA WOOO
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 4:49 pm
by Cerulean
Sorry sorry.
I planned to get back to this tonight after other responsibilities but then I remembered I had an assignment due tonight. Not that I really have anything to say :/ Get back to it tomorrow then.
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:01 pm
by Flipping Awesome
In post 2473, Cerulean wrote:
I am still town reading UT. I still think all the things I've said about UT hold. I am still leaning town on Reck. I find it a little weird about him getting *bothered* that people are using Red Wedding to read him with, but maybe I'm just feeling bothered because I feel like it's me it's directed towards when it's a model I used for the Reckoning and it served me well, so once he flips scum while I'm using my model, I'll ditch it but it still feels right? The thing is in the Red Wedding it wasn't about him just lurking. He tried to kinda play up the "I don't give a shit about this game" type attitude that he also did in Team Mafia and for some reason people read him as town for. If you look at the Red Wedding, it's clear that yes he was lurking, but on the occasions he did post it was clear that he had absolutely no idea what was going on with the gamestate. I mean maybe I am wrong to use the Red Weddubg, he was my partner, I knew he was scum so that influences how I viewed his posts in that game, but I still think he's tonally different. I've never meta'd him to see if he has a different scum game, though posts like Post 407 don't sound like the disconnected, lurking scum I've seen before, and more on par with what I've seen of him as town. If he is a more capable scum player though, it's not in my experience.
The thing that makes me feel unsure on Tim Howard is the same sort of thing that made me frustrated that people were scum reading ffery in Tales of. She didn't have reads, when I think she could have easily rambled off reads, but tbf for ffery she had demonstrated some things that empire had pointed out to me that were ffery's town tells. *My* main problem with Tim Howard is that lack of really anything. Nexus not posting does worry me. I was in Abarat when he didn't post except for like once. In Red Wedding he posted somewhat regularly, but in Mafiastuck I'm not sure that he did. (Faraday has a habit of posting as his hydra partner so it's hard to be sure what was going on there.) But other than that, I don't really have a reason to fight empire's read, and it was an early read for him along with Venmar, so I feel like he's more on point here, especially considering that I almost unvoted Venmar yesterday due to softening on him and that would have been terrible. Anyway, I'm kind of empire could be completely on target here and I'll just wait to see if he is and deal with it tomorrow, and based on how things have been playing out in the night game, I'll be here tomorrow. So, if he is scum, I can do a wealth of interaction analysis, and if not I can reset and figure out where we've been going wrong.
Hmmm I haven't reviewed Nacho's readslist. Is there anyone he thought was scum that is still alive. I guess that might be worth pursuing, but I do know that sometimes unless he can really read someone well his early town reads can be misguided a bit. (I had to argue with him quite a bit about an early town read he gave cabd in we the purple to get lylo right.) I'd also feel better about using CDB's town read on them if Nexus was still posting. Basically, they haven't given me a reason to counteract Empire's read.
As far as how I'm feeling about the game? it damn near feels on autopilot. This game feels frustrating in a different way than Tales of. In that game I thought everyone was scum and was manipulating me, but here I feel like I could argue why everyone is town to some degree, which is kinda ironic because then I could truly do POE from the player list! I really really need to reread the game, but I really really don't want to reread the first day. I need to start over from day two regardless, but I kind of also don't want to do that because if Empire is right and Tim Howard is scum, then it would be best to use that time tomorrow to reread. Everything just feels kinda murky and it probably stems from the fact that everyone seems somewhat disengaged from this game and I'm not sure why everyone is? maybe it's because of the bad start? IDK.
I mostly agree with the UT read although some of UT's play around xReckx bothers me as I feel like he is somewhat placating xReckx whenever xReckx suspects him and a lot of his play around xReckx feels off. It could genuinely be a townie with a townread on xReckx but he seems a little too certain about that read.
As far as xReckx himself, this is the first game I'm playing with him barring a pretty old game where he replaced in as scum just as I got lynched and we never interacted. Reading through his games as an observer didn't give me any sort of handle on his meta so I'm mostly factoring in your read there. How likely do you think that he would change up his meta in a game where a lot of people are aware of it? If he played the apathetic townie shtick, it wouldn't work when a lot of players know about it so he would have to change it up.
As far as Nacho's reads, he followed up in Post 821 and Post 827 saying that {Cerulean, Zdenek, FA, Nero Cain, Tim, UT} are town out of the players that are alive. It is interesting to note that he had a townread on Venmar as well. His only scumreads in Post 827 seem to be Kaysuki and Kanye with Kanye being scum if Katsuki was town. The only players that he hadn't mentioned then would be Plum, NS, and xReckx. Regarding Nacho's townreads, I feel that he gives the benefit of the doubt to players he knows and might occasionally incorrectly townread them when they are scum but rarely if ever mislynches them when both they and Nacho are town so I tend his take his scumreads a lot more seriously than his townreads.
You said you wanted to do a wealth of interaction analysis with Tim Howard; do you have any comments on Venmar's interactions with other players? I went through a whole bunch of his games and info dumped to Penguin hoping to see some slam dunk tells like with GM in that PYP game but Venmar is actually pretty good at hiding interactions and I am not really sure what to make of them. How about Kanye then as far as interaction analysis is concerned? Was there anything that stood out? I guess I'm okay with a Tim Howard lynch as with Zdenek's vote, it'll be five so it seems like everyone's pretty set on it although I don't really have a read either way.
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 6:02 pm
by Flipping Awesome
Zdenek, who is your other scumread?
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:26 pm
by Zdenek
Reck.
What do people think about the possibility of onescum actioning and killing on the same night?
Posted: Mon Jun 16, 2014 7:28 pm
by Nero Cain
Are you guys done talking so I can hammer now?
if there's 1 scum left mods usually let them kill and action.
