Mini 1608--Mafia on the Air(Fin)

[Anatole Kuragin]

Which is why it would be really weird if scum didn't have a roleblock

[Cutty Shark]

I think it's just a figure of speech tbh

I don't agree. That is oddly specific in a game where

1) I have the same passive and no mention of that
2) We have a claimed person that does 'divine intervenion-y' things

-b

[Anatole Kuragin]

It could also just be added questionable utility to the role, since I can go through whatever protection being afforded if I shoot a townie.

[Natirasha]

Vote Count 2.5

One person had disappeared, and the faces had yet to change.

In their absence, though, at least the room was bustling again.

Nashville Dreams(1):

OkaPoka

Cutty Shark(0):

5-Off(0):

AnatoleKuragin(1):

TheFonz

The Fonz(0):

F-1_Fighting_Falcon(0):

Baboon Pride(0):

fferyllt(1):

F-16_Fighting_Falcon

OkaPoka(1):

Baboon Pride

Lissa(0):

Not Voting(6):

5-Off, AnatoleKuragin, fferyllt, Lissa, Cutty Shark, Nashville Dreams

With ten alive, it is six to lynch.
STILL Replacing 5-Off! I will likely extend deadline a little once found.

(expired on 2014-09-30 16:00:00)

[fferyllt]

This is making me think that AK and Fonz are not on the same team.

-b

I wondered about that yesterday. Think I posted something to that effect.

[fferyllt]

fferyllt(1): F-16_Fighting_Falcon

The theory was a long shot, especially after I realized Nati's recent micro had similar wording.

[Baboon Pride]

Maybe the super secret function of Fonz's role is "if you target AK or his target, the kill doesn't happen"

-Ceph

[Lissa]

Lissa's somewhat in the same boat, but I feel like her MO is more to just go 'hear hear' on people's points mixed in with some promises for more activity that inevitably don't pan out. If not for the neighborhood thing (and it really is worth talking about the fakeclaim point to figure out whether or not Lissa-scum had immediate recourse to be comfortable with saying what she did in response to 5-off's softclaim about scum in the hood. If what ffery is saying about fakeclaims being generated on request as a mod-meta thing for Nati, then Lissa might just be town again)

Yeah, this. If she feels about scum roles the way I do, tooth-pulling is involved in actually working up substantive posts.

I don't have issues coming up with substantive posts as scum. I actually really like playing scum roles. I gather we don't feel the same way about them?
(I just ended up more swamped this week than I expected )

Baboon was seeming town to me yesterday but there were some interactions between them/Honey that make me wonder.

Were you gonna elaborate on this?

-b

I believe I did somewhat at the beginning of Day.
Here.
That was just Honey's posts. And I didn't have time to do it earlier but now I've gone back through Baboon's posts to see if there's anything there or if it was one sided.
The one thing I noticed was this:

It's strange to me that HB is becoming a legitimate wagon. I feel like she's your standard low charisma day 1 lynch. Much prefer FT/AK/Nashville. I know I'm not super engaged here, but, it looks to me like we need to start consolidating.

-Ceph

But I'm still thinking Baboon is town. Townies can be wrong, and this didn't look like scum defending scum. It sounded genuine, I think because of its casualness.

We have time and I'll discuss other reads later but I want to talk about Nashville:

I get the suspicion there and the concerns about them but there are two things that make me sure that they are town:

1) The way Mala initially tried to sort Tammy was incredibly genuine and knowing Mala as both town and scum, I think it is well outside the range of what scum-Mala is able to fake. It felt like she truly wanted to figure out our affiliation and was doing all sorts of odd and unusual things to get a read on us. As scum, Mala is a rather low profile player. She doesn't bring attention to herself. She pops in once in while to post decent-looking analysis of the game. She is emotionally more subdued than she is as town.

2) I talked about this one already but the way she voted us at the start of D2 for a claim.

I haven't figured out who I want to lynch but I strongly prefer that we not lynch Nashville Dreams and consider other alternatives. I'd be shocked if they flipped scum.

This sounds really genuine.
Doesn't mean I'm completely sure it's correct, but it reads as genuine to me.

I am seeing neutral 3rd parties under my bed because of setup paranoia. I can see 5-off's play and to some extent oka's play fitting that mold.

I could see both of them being third party. Their roles are ones I could see third party having. I'll take a look at their play and see if I agree there.

If I am holding an item I am essentially a strong-arm vigilante but the actual action is called "Magic Trick". I can perform a kill as a night action and nothing short of divine intervention can stop it. This is why it would be very easy to prove my role if I had an item.

I still wonder about the whole divine intervention thing.

I think it's just a figure of speech tbh, basically saying it goes through both ascetic/roleblock and bulletproof

Maybe
I still wonder. It's just a really strange coincidence and (if it's real) I can't help but feel it's intentional. The connection could be a red herring though.

Please tell me if I missed any questions or anything.

[OkaPoka]

are you guys still there?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Ok hi.
The neighborhood thing I am currently agreeing with FT that this isn't the most reliable information. Not saying that there isn't scum in the neighborhood (a size of 4 there's a good chance for it), but considering how the neighbor list is unknown and there very well may be more than just one scum in the neighborhood, I'm not going to pay too much attention to it because I'm not a part of it.

As for scum reads, I am looking at the fonz 5 off and ND.
-Fonz– I totally agree with ft that not voting lissa was bad. Hesitance to vote always is a scum tell to me and the no reasoning on why rubs me in the wrong way. Plus there's really no point to paying attention to post restrictions anyways so I am perturbed why he focused on players who mentioned it.
Fonz needs to answer FT's q when he get's back.
VOTE: the Fonz
-5 off- Read their iso, a bunch of side questions that I've seen no conclusion to, no pushing for anything. 294 is suppose to be a joke right? It feels out of place with the way the rest of your posts feel. What are your reads as of now?
-Nashville dreaming- This one I can't really explain as much, as it's mostly gut feels with the tammy interactions. I know you want to keep secret, but may you please tell me if one of you have played with me before? This would help my read on you, thanks.

Everyone else is looking decent or null so far. I can't agree with the other cases flying around currently.
Flubbers intro is a bit weird agree, but he promised reads so I'm going to hold off for now.

This read on Nashville also makes me feel like they aren't partners.

Not sure what to make of the reads on Fonz and 5-Off yet.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Nashville Dreams - Leaning scum. I'm not getting town vibes from most of their posts right now. Though not sure what to think of the way IHNC is tunneling them.

Honey bee - Her few posts have been fine but she needs to say more. (yes I know I'm sort of one to talk.) Null.

FourTrouble - His posts alternate between making me feel like he might be town and making me go "nope, he's scum." Overall still leaning scum.

In summary
leaning scum: four, nashville
null: ree, honey bee, ihnc
null-town: csareo, cutty shark
leaning/probably town: anatole, gossamer, baboon, fonz, 5-off

Would be good with a lynch of four or nashville I think. Might be okay lynching honey bee.

My view on Ree depends on what his replacement says. I'm not sure about ihnc. Do not want to lynch gossamer, baboon, anatole, fonz or 5-off today barring some very good reason, would rather not lynch csareo or cutty shark.
I probably have waaay too many strong townreads. >-< It's just easier for me to get townreads D1 than scumreads.

Argh.
Alright. We have a bit less than 24 hours left. We need to collaborate and reach a lynch.
FT has four votes, Honey bee has three, Nashville has two.
I want a FT lynch.

However, I would be willing to vote for a deadline lynch of Honey or Nashville if that is the consensus we come to.

Look.
We have.
Less than FIVE HOURS.
We need to figure out what we are doing.

This is how the votes stand:
Nashville Dreams(2): 5-Off, I have no creativity
Honey bee(3): gossamer wings, FourTrouble, Anatole Kuragin
Cutty Shark(0):
FourTrouble(4): Lissa, The Fonz, Baboon Pride, Cutty Shark
5-Off(0):
AnatoleKuragin(1): Honey bee
The Fonz(0):
i have no creativity(0):
gossamer wings(0):
Baboon Pride(0):
fferyllt(0):
Csareo(1): Nashville Dreams
Lissa(0):

Not Voting(2): fferyllt, Csareo

I want Four lynched.

I will vote Honey for a deadline compromise.

I will strongly consider voting Csareo for a deadline compromise.

I will vote Nashville for a deadline compromise, though I don't think that's the best option.

Lissa, can you explain your trajectory on Nashville and Honeybee, specifically the parts I bolded.

You first had Nashville as scum and Honeybee as null.
Then you were equally willing to lynch both.
Then you were willing to compromise on both but didn't think Nashville was the best option.

So, what changed that Honeybee went consistently higher in your suspect list with time and Nashville went lower?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Also, in the second two posts that I quoted, you clearly say that you want an FT lynch. If so, why did you vote the wagon that he was pushing as opposed to the one that he wasn't on?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Right. Hood people. This is reasonably important.

When 5-off said there was scum in the 'hood, did anyone say that their role PM didn't mention anything about that? If so, who did so first?

This feels like an odd thing to pick up on.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Right. Hood people. This is reasonably important.

When 5-off said there was scum in the 'hood, did anyone say that their role PM didn't mention anything about that? If so, who did so first?

You have just asked the right question! We all confirmed we had nothing of the sort, but Lissa said it first.

This is why she's town.

But how did he come up with such a question? Something about it bugs me but I can't put my finger on it.

I guess it is possible Fonz has been in neighborhoods in the past where similar things have happened and someone reacted saying their role PM doesn't state X.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Anatole, when you came into the game, you had a townread on my slot through Tammy, and on Baboon through Mara. Is it based on Timeshift, and can you elaborate on both of those reads?

Also, you came in calling out the votes on FT as bad. Did you feel that he was town?

[Lissa]

Nashville Dreams - Leaning scum. I'm not getting town vibes from most of their posts right now. Though not sure what to think of the way IHNC is tunneling them.

Honey bee - Her few posts have been fine but she needs to say more. (yes I know I'm sort of one to talk.) Null.

FourTrouble - His posts alternate between making me feel like he might be town and making me go "nope, he's scum." Overall still leaning scum.

In summary
leaning scum: four, nashville
null: ree, honey bee, ihnc
null-town: csareo, cutty shark
leaning/probably town: anatole, gossamer, baboon, fonz, 5-off

Would be good with a lynch of four or nashville I think. Might be okay lynching honey bee.

My view on Ree depends on what his replacement says. I'm not sure about ihnc. Do not want to lynch gossamer, baboon, anatole, fonz or 5-off today barring some very good reason, would rather not lynch csareo or cutty shark.
I probably have waaay too many strong townreads. >-< It's just easier for me to get townreads D1 than scumreads.

Argh.
Alright. We have a bit less than 24 hours left. We need to collaborate and reach a lynch.
FT has four votes, Honey bee has three, Nashville has two.
I want a FT lynch.

However, I would be willing to vote for a deadline lynch of Honey or Nashville if that is the consensus we come to.

Look.
We have.
Less than FIVE HOURS.
We need to figure out what we are doing.

This is how the votes stand:
Nashville Dreams(2): 5-Off, I have no creativity
Honey bee(3): gossamer wings, FourTrouble, Anatole Kuragin
Cutty Shark(0):
FourTrouble(4): Lissa, The Fonz, Baboon Pride, Cutty Shark
5-Off(0):
AnatoleKuragin(1): Honey bee
The Fonz(0):
i have no creativity(0):
gossamer wings(0):
Baboon Pride(0):
fferyllt(0):
Csareo(1): Nashville Dreams
Lissa(0):

Not Voting(2): fferyllt, Csareo

I want Four lynched.

I will vote Honey for a deadline compromise.

I will strongly consider voting Csareo for a deadline compromise.

I will vote Nashville for a deadline compromise, though I don't think that's the best option.

Lissa, can you explain your trajectory on Nashville and Honeybee, specifically the parts I bolded.

You first had Nashville as scum and Honeybee as null.
Then you were equally willing to lynch both.
Then you were willing to compromise on both but didn't think Nashville was the best option.

So, what changed that Honeybee went consistently higher in your suspect list with time and Nashville went lower?

Nashville replied to my original read list with a post I felt was townish. Honey bee I don't think was much of a wagon when I made my reads list, but as that wagon gained support I evaluated a little more and became increasingly okay with it.

Also, in the second two posts that I quoted, you clearly say that you want an FT lynch. If so, why did you vote the wagon that he was pushing as opposed to the one that he wasn't on?

There no longer seemed to be enough support for a Four lynch. I felt the honey bee wagon was more likely to reach majority at the point I changed my vote - cutty shark had already changed their vote, making honey the bigger wagon - and at that point deadline was what, five hours away? I think I was at the point of being willing to lynch anyone not a townread.

[Nashville Dreams]

Can we like lynch 5-off

Saves the mod the trouble of having to replace the slot >>

~R

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I was actually seriously considering that.

[Lissa]

Can we like lynch 5-off

Saves the mod the trouble of having to replace the slot >>

~R

I'm thinking I would be surprisingly okay with that.

We'll get to see his role pm and it's exact wording. If he's town we can see whether it seems to imply a neighborhood scum is guaranteed. If he's scum great.

And the slot has needed replacement for close to a week. Apparently nobody wants to replace into a stalling 100 page mini theme.

[Baboon Pride]

I'd lynch 5-off in a heartbeat. He's more likely 3rd than mafia in my opinion, but we're ahead, we can afford to take that risk.

-Ceph

[Anatole Kuragin]

Anatole, when you came into the game, you had a townread on my slot through Tammy, and on Baboon through Mara. Is it based on Timeshift, and can you elaborate on both of those reads?

Also, you came in calling out the votes on FT as bad. Did you feel that he was town?

I had a scumread on Baboon, both reads were based on Timeshift. Tammy seemed town to me based on her play there, she posted very similarly.

I'm scumreading Lissa more than Baboon now, but probably only one of them would be scum if 5-off was telling the truth.

[fferyllt]

Will be getting back into this game this afternoon. I'm partway through a Lissa meta dive, which is where I'll pick back up.

Re lynching 5-off, I'm willing to entertain that, but "prob 3rd party" isn't persuasive that he needs to die.

[Baboon Pride]

Not saying he couldn't be mafia. Heck, that would be fucking great.

Also, AK... my play here is actually pretty similar to Timseshift, so uh what?

-Ceph

[Lissa]

Not saying he couldn't be mafia. Heck, that would be fucking great.

This is pretty much what I was thinking

Ie -
If he's town, oh well but with nobody in the slot and nobody seeming to want to be (he's been being replaced for a week) he's no use to town anyway and we can see his role pm stuff if he's dead
If he's third party, fine
If he's scum, great

[Lissa]

VOTE: 5 off