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In post 2472, Parama wrote:I want to have 2 flips and at least 1 lynch wagon to go over in my PT during intermission tbh and NL runs counterproductive to that

We really don't gain anything from NLing either

Why only in your PT and not analyze the lynch wagon/flips on thread?

I mean it's one thing to want ~secrets~ in your PT,

It's another thing to deprive everyone else of meaningful discussion and your thoughts because that's just anti-town, the PTs should not be used to contain all discussion cuz wtf are we doing here then.

In post 2472, Parama wrote:I want to have 2 flips and at least 1 lynch wagon to go over in my PT during intermission tbh and NL runs counterproductive to that

We really don't gain anything from NLing either

Currently 7 pairs, 3 have scum in them most likely, and after intermission it will be 6 pairs, 3 with scum, so strictly speaking the odds of hitting scum go up in absolute terms by lynching after intermission.

In practical terms, considering that they'll simply shoot a town/town pair that would have never been mislynched(such as my own), the odds won't actually change, BUT scums ability to sculpt the end game will be diminished, ESPECIALLY since gamma/Vedith were a major topic of conversation, and they have relatively little idea of who actually wants which pairs lynched after town ML's SS/Maria.

Basically, this forces them to just shoot Nahdia and me, instead of playing for some more complex line. And if they decide to not shoot us, it means Nahdia can actually interact with me in our PT so she can decide if she TRs me or not, shoot that's win/win imo..:p

Jester AND paramas arguments against are weak.

The main concern I have right now is really whether the value has gone away, since immediately after the vedith/gamma flip scum essentially had no idea how people's reads have changed. Since people have adjusted since, we've denied them less information than we could have.

Pedit: MDS, trust me, optimizing gaming setups is what I do.

If you guys aren't going to vote, it's basically impossible to lynch scum while you're alive.

In post 2474, MiniDeathStar wrote:

In post 2455, FakeGod wrote:No Lynch [2] - Kagami, mhsmith0

Does it surprise anyone that these people in particular are behind the no-lynch fad? It doesn't surprise me.

P. Edit: I wrote Cerberus off as town really early and I haven't had any reason to distrust him since. I'm about 90% certain he's town. Why does it matter though? I'm positive the scum will boot them because they're never getting lynched, and the longer they stay the more info we can get out of them.

I shouldn't have to explain why no-lynch is a bad idea, it's just so obviously anti-town that the only explanation why *you* Smith would be pushing it, is that you're scum.

It obviously matters whether Cerb is town because if he's not, then someone else is getting shot, and that is in itself potentially interesting (and the data about "the pair that scum wanted dead instead of Nahdia-Cerb") is probably better to be outed earlier rather than later). Like if you're lock certain that Cerb is town, then yes, that's very likely going to be the NK, and we might as well get a bit more data before they die. But if you're NOT sure that cerb is town, then the NK gets more interesting, and the "well clearly we need to push back the NK" argument fails.

As far as explaining goes, you should always explain things. In this case, the argument against no lynching hinges on the presumption that cerb is town. In which case, it's probably worth examining that assumption to make sure it's correct, as opposed to just writing it off.

In post 2475, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:

In post 2472, Parama wrote:I want to have 2 flips and at least 1 lynch wagon to go over in my PT during intermission tbh and NL runs counterproductive to that

We really don't gain anything from NLing either

Why only in your PT and not analyze the lynch wagon/flips on thread?

??? because the thread is going to be locked during intermission ???

or at least that's the impression I've got its just gonna be like a night phase

Cerb you are pro-NL yet you do not vote it.

And you do not put a vote anywhere else.

In post 2478, Kagami wrote:If you guys aren't going to vote, it's basically impossible to lynch scum while you're alive.

Define you guys. You mean Nahdia and I?

We'll vote at some point. At least, I know I will.

Pedit:Pfft mhsmith, I'm super obvtown by now. :p

In post 2480, Parama wrote:

In post 2475, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:

In post 2472, Parama wrote:I want to have 2 flips and at least 1 lynch wagon to go over in my PT during intermission tbh and NL runs counterproductive to that

We really don't gain anything from NLing either

Why only in your PT and not analyze the lynch wagon/flips on thread?

??? because the thread is going to be locked during intermission ???

or at least that's the impression I've got its just gonna be like a night phase

I thought this was a nightless game mode...

like I specifically said during intermission for a reason

and then I can post it in thread after intermission if I'm still alive

@someone who played the last large dance game is the thread locked during intermission

yes, it is.

Gonna be incredibly boring if thread is locked.

Pedit: Ugh zzzzz.

Or was when I was in this setup a year-ish ago

In post 2481, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:Cerb you are pro-NL yet you do not vote it.

And you do not put a vote anywhere else.

Sure. Because there's no reason to yet. *shrug* if I see the suppprt for a NL develop I'll vote there(but I'd also sorta like to actually put out real reads and stuff before then, since I expect to be dead at the stqrt of the next dance and so far I've done nothing). As far as actual lynches go, I only vote when I have a high degree of certainty that we're lynching scum, to gambit, or to prevent a NL in a standard game.

Pedit: such impatience. It's locked for like 48 hours.

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In post 2482, Cerberus v666 wrote:Pedit:Pfft mhsmith, I'm super obvtown by now. :p

Find and lynch a wolf and I might agree with you. Until then I'm basically in "cerb gets a pass until after the wolves do or don't kill him, then I'll worry about sorting him if needed" mode.

I'm pretty sure if scum don't boot Cerberus they'll autolose. Literally all we need to win the game is *one* pair that we all agree is town-town, then lynch everyone else.

In post 2491, MiniDeathStar wrote:I'm pretty sure if scum don't boot Cerberus they'll autolose. Literally all we need to win the game is *one* pair that we all agree is town-town, then lynch everyone else.

Okay so why does it matter to you if it happens now or later.

MDS everyone wooooooooooo what is logic

In post 2474, MiniDeathStar wrote:I shouldn't have to explain why no-lynch is a bad idea, it's just so obviously anti-town that the only explanation why *you* Smith would be pushing it, is that you're scum.

In post 2491, MiniDeathStar wrote:I'm pretty sure if scum don't boot Cerberus they'll autolose. Literally all we need to win the game is *one* pair that we all agree is town-town, then lynch everyone else.

Eh, untrue. If they shoot someone else, all they need to do is convince Nahdia I'm scum so she leaves. :p

@smith: meh. Reasonable way to prioritize things, but my entire NL thing should make me obvtown(since that would mean if I were scum, I would have to dodge even more lynches as a suspect) but whateva.

In post 2494, Cerberus v666 wrote:Eh, untrue. If they shoot someone else, all they need to do is convince Nahdia I'm scum so she leaves. :p

@smith: meh. Reasonable way to prioritize things, but my entire NL thing should make me obvtown(since that would mean if I were scum, I would have to dodge even more lynches as a suspect) but whateva.

I don't know how to tell you this,

But you're being more useless than Nahdia right now.

In post 2495, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:

In post 2494, Cerberus v666 wrote:Eh, untrue. If they shoot someone else, all they need to do is convince Nahdia I'm scum so she leaves. :p

@smith: meh. Reasonable way to prioritize things, but my entire NL thing should make me obvtown(since that would mean if I were scum, I would have to dodge even more lynches as a suspect) but whateva.

I don't know how to tell you this,

But you're being more useless than Nahdia right now.

Agreed.

I told her my reads at least. :p

In post 2493, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:MDS everyone wooooooooooo what is logic

In post 2474, MiniDeathStar wrote:I shouldn't have to explain why no-lynch is a bad idea, it's just so obviously anti-town that the only explanation why *you* Smith would be pushing it, is that you're scum.

In post 2491, MiniDeathStar wrote:I'm pretty sure if scum don't boot Cerberus they'll autolose. Literally all we need to win the game is *one* pair that we all agree is town-town, then lynch everyone else.

What are you on about? Those were responses to very different statements.

''Shadow_step - MariaR [3] - Parama, Human Sequencer, Ser Arthur Dayne''
THIS IS NOT OK
A MESSAGE TO EVERYBODY NOT VOTING: THIS IS NOT OK
THIS GAME IS NOT OK

mhsmith is getting more townpoints. i wish he'd post less setup spec though, that's like 90% of his iso :^)

taking cerb granted as town is dangerous, i'm with smith on this (sort after intermission)

LYNCH
SHADOW
AND
MARIAR

arthur is still locktown