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Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:46 pm
by eth0s
In post 2428, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 2373, jjh927 wrote:After the TL flip I had a bit of a theory about a bus driver existing but I'm not sure about it
Fun fact, that was ones of the developmemt roles, specifically for eth0s
I never thought about keys like that. Glad I didnt get bus driver tho tbh
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:50 pm
by eth0s
In post 2444, jjh927 wrote:Like, I'm trying to figure out what the plan would be there
But anyone he claimed to have targeted would have been mechanically cleared
Meanwhile, anyone you targeted the night before would be mechanically cleared
My plan was hoping chemist wouldn't claim such a thing. I also wanted to potentially flip it on mena claiming he must've rbed chemist but that would've been a last ditch effort because I would've likely had my claim to mena exposed in the process.
I was hoping to lynch elbirn/suji D4 and do anything possible to avoid a mass claim so I could shoot mena and think of a better role to claim tbh
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:51 pm
by eth0s
In post 2446, jjh927 wrote:Jailkeeper is just not a claim solo scum can bring to lylo from that point
Also if he'd claimed to have targeted Elbirn, which is what I would expect, he'd have got caught out at massclaim when people added up the damage
I think he needed to kill you so he could start with a fresh claim there
Hehe
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:51 pm
by eth0s
Fun fact. I actually targeted chem and mastina. I was motivated.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:52 pm
by eth0s
In post 2450, jjh927 wrote:I can't be the only one who assumed D4 was gonna be massclaim after we flipped a second scum
I pretty much accepted defeat when TL died. All of my goals were more dreams at that point
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:58 pm
by eth0s
I busted too hard this game. I didnt want to bus elements but it looked like he was destined to go down if EP didnt on D2. I couldn't push EP because I thought he was sifting some kind of loyal fruit vendor or loyal friendly neighbor or something. In hindsight I dont think there was any way for me to back up his claim as either alignment (as it seems like it all hinges on me taking damage which i did not know of).
I would have hard pushed EP if I felt safe in doing so.
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:58 pm
by eth0s
I bused too hard
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:00 pm
by eth0s
Also really wanted to avoid busing TL but his lynch seemed inevitable and I believe his perspective change was a legitimate scumslip and I wanted first grabs on that before mastina or jjh called it out.
I was a pretty shitty scummate this game sorry guys
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:01 pm
by eth0s
Also I think the only reason people town read me besides busing elements was my stance on korina D1 which actually had some
very evil
motivation behind it even aside from the obvious towncred I was seeking to gain. Am I wrong about that?
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:05 pm
by jjh927
Bussing elements was actually the only reason I TRed you
The Korina stuff was a negative, but it was consistent with how you'd played the rest of the game
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:08 pm
by jjh927
In post 2033, jjh927 wrote:It's the consistency of it all that explains everything, tbh
You could have been scum because you somehow ended up on the right side of the Korina lynch with reasoning that I would still shoot down with hindsight, and you could feasibly have been scum bussing elements though that's less likely, but you're not because the reason we ended up on opposite sides there is that our playstyles are extremely different, and that has been consistently visible. And I don't think anyone could fake that kind of thing throughout the whole of a game
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:10 pm
by jjh927
Then in the next couple of posts I metadived you, discarded that angle to some degree, but decided you were town anyway before trying to engage with TL as though he was town in order to place him better in a short and sudden mood of pure engagement
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:53 pm
by eth0s
Although you didnt agree with the korina logic you really think it was likely to come from scum? I mean obviously it did but I spent a few hours devising a stance that I personally would have found very compelling as town.
I think you and I truly do have different playstyles and overall you are more knowledgeable than me by a good margin when it comes to setup and stuff like that. I mean no offense when I ask if you are perhaps biased since I spent the majority of the game sharing you over the korina thing
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:53 pm
by eth0s
Shading you*
Posted: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:55 pm
by eth0s
Also sorry mena
you were fun to play with and I felt bad for AtE'ing you like that
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:11 am
by jjh927
In post 2487, eth0s wrote:Although you didnt agree with the korina logic you really think it was likely to come from scum? I mean obviously it did but I spent a few hours devising a stance that I personally would have found very compelling as town.
I think you and I truly do have different playstyles and overall you are more knowledgeable than me by a good margin when it comes to setup and stuff like that. I mean no offense when I ask if you are perhaps biased since I spent the majority of the game sharing you over the korina thing
If we ignore that the logic itself didn't hold but you didn't really do anything about my rebuttal, I think I raised that you focused on the mechanics of why we shouldn't lynch Korina at that moment in time rather than actually arguing that Korina was town.
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:13 am
by jjh927
I definitely didn't actually catch you though. You played a very good scumgame aside from bussing your teammates and locking yourself into that claim with Menalque. Would have just all come together in massclaim if I was still alive and the game was still going
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:18 am
by Menalque
Yeah, I think this game is more evidence that bussing isn’t necessarily effective unless you’re hard and early, and even then you have to explain not being the NK after that. I thought you played a good scumgame, but tbh I think you prob should have made different NKs. I don’t think the people you focussed on eliminating were doing a lot, and I think that made it easier to eliminate your partners. Killing me/jjh early would prob have been better I think, as it would have let you control the momentum and direction of the game more.
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:49 am
by Sujimichi
In post 2480, eth0s wrote:In hindsight I dont think there was any way for me to back up his claim as either alignment (as it seems like it all hinges on me taking damage which i did not know of).
Part of our role meant that when we shot you the first time all mod messages the next phase would be missing the letters TOAST.
Heat Up: Each night you may target a player, dealing 1 hit of damage to them. A player with 2 hits of damage on them at the end of the night dies.
Toasted (Feedback Disruptor): due to the pain from being heated in a toaster, feedback received the day after a player is hit by "Heat Up" will lack letters of the word TOAST. This happens regardless of damage nullification.
Short Circuit (Conditional Bomb): if you are targeted by a liquid based active ability, your electrical parts get damaged and you blow up, dying and taking out a player of your choice.
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:30 am
by Adorable
If we did end up mass claiming, I would have been scum reading Menalque and Elbirn for claiming Roleblockers. Menalque said he roleblocked me last night which looked like scum motivation who figured out I was the Motivator and it looked like he wanted to prevent me on motivating more players. eth0s could have easily tried to redirect the lynch to Menalque or Elbirn if he didn't get killed last night.
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:22 am
by eth0s
In post 2493, Sujimichi wrote: In post 2480, eth0s wrote:In hindsight I dont think there was any way for me to back up his claim as either alignment (as it seems like it all hinges on me taking damage which i did not know of).
Part of our role meant that when we shot you the first time all mod messages the next phase would be missing the letters TOAST.
Heat Up: Each night you may target a player, dealing 1 hit of damage to them. A player with 2 hits of damage on them at the end of the night dies.
Toasted (Feedback Disruptor): due to the pain from being heated in a toaster, feedback received the day after a player is hit by "Heat Up" will lack letters of the word TOAST. This happens regardless of damage nullification.
Short Circuit (Conditional Bomb): if you are targeted by a liquid based active ability, your electrical parts get damaged and you blow up, dying and taking out a player of your choice.
I'm confused how this is supposed to help me clear you. I dont receive feedback for anything so if that applies to me then I fail to see how I would have any feedback to reference
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:23 am
by jjh927
Claiming that would have completely cleared suji to me at least
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:24 am
by jjh927
I made a role doing a similar thing with the letters MILK in a game Gamma was in
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:26 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 2475, eth0s wrote: In post 2428, Gamma Emerald wrote: In post 2373, jjh927 wrote:After the TL flip I had a bit of a theory about a bus driver existing but I'm not sure about it
Fun fact, that was ones of the developmemt roles, specifically for eth0s
I never thought about keys like that. Glad I didnt get bus driver tho tbh
bus keys lmao
Posted: Sun Oct 27, 2019 6:28 am
by Gamma Emerald
In post 2495, eth0s wrote: In post 2493, Sujimichi wrote: In post 2480, eth0s wrote:In hindsight I dont think there was any way for me to back up his claim as either alignment (as it seems like it all hinges on me taking damage which i did not know of).
Part of our role meant that when we shot you the first time all mod messages the next phase would be missing the letters TOAST.
Heat Up: Each night you may target a player, dealing 1 hit of damage to them. A player with 2 hits of damage on them at the end of the night dies.
Toasted (Feedback Disruptor): due to the pain from being heated in a toaster, feedback received the day after a player is hit by "Heat Up" will lack letters of the word TOAST. This happens regardless of damage nullification.
Short Circuit (Conditional Bomb): if you are targeted by a liquid based active ability, your electrical parts get damaged and you blow up, dying and taking out a player of your choice.
I'm confused how this is supposed to help me clear you. I dont receive feedback for anything so if that applies to me then I fail to see how I would have any feedback to reference
Yeah this the thng I most should have made sure to have my backup aware of