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i am the secret governing force unwnd

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In post 2473, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:

In post 2472, unwnd wrote:

In post 2455, Annie Edison wrote:@unwnd can I have a hint

Who are the most prominent players (in terms of content) so far?

I'd say Unwnd (me), LLD, Annie (you), Medea, Lukewarm, Snarky Fishes.

What is the chance one of these players contain scum? I'd say decently high. I think you're town and I think Lukewarm is town. That boils it down to LLD/Snarky/Medea. These are players who I believe are capable of control. I am giving LLD (Rhea) benefit of the doubt here but I've pretty much determined in my mind that this game would simply not have all lazy scum, and there has to be one person amongst those I've listed who are vying for power. LLD believes it's Medea. Medea believes in killing Manatee of all fucking things. Snarky can't really make up their mind about Medea. Like, either I'm completely offbase and there is no secret governing force or whatever.

I would love for all those of players I listed to be town but I can't believe it to be true. So how does this play into my secret read? I think there is someone in particular who is being floated in readlists but doesn't have the prominence to deserve such

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HEAL: Dunnstral

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This is really telling to me and you might regret it if Medea is town.

Oh well! I'll take your gamble

VOTE: Medea

In post 2470, Medea the Alien wrote:

In post 2465, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 2394, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 2199, Medea the Alien wrote:Ffery, two options forward. Separation and keeping me in stasis, or four person hydra thread-PT. Your call. My hand is extended. I'm gonna be digging in regardless.

I didn't see this last night.

please hold.

Here's the deal. I want as much of your thought process in the game thread as I can get. Bell and I aren't trying to convince each other about your alignment, but we're not entirely on the same page right now.

Regardless, more data from you is good for the game.

So...3 plus a curmudgeon?

Well, as you can see Penguin's got a bigger tilt than the earth's rotational axis at the moment. NOW do you see why your "didn't realize I had to clock out" thing was kinda hurtful last night on the back of you not replying to the above quoted stuff?

I'm off work in like two ish hours.

I'm not going to feel bad about missing that post or being miffed at the idea I was supposed to be in-thread then.

you know how the last-read cookie gets trampled in hydra accounts. And you more or less know my usual evening schedule. Shouldn't have been a surprise I went dark around that time. And Pippin still didn't get the walk he was owed, but he will!

Anyway. Even without seeing that post, I was a lot less guarded with you last night. And that's kinda the way I want to progress, and I'll hold the snark if you will.

In post 2474, Lukewarm wrote:Rhea, I think that it was mainly this progression that pissed me off.

If Titus is not going to be the elim today, I at the very least want everyone to weigh in on the case. You already said you disagree and think that titus is town. That is more then most of the people no currently voting titus.

I think you might be attributing to malice something that would be more easily explained by incompetence/confusion.

The biggest thing I have for Titus!Town is that I think she actually believes she sprang some kind of amazing trap on me ala YuGiOh or some shit.

When she's caught as scum I see her usually freeze up and die.

Medea you still believe LLD is town regardless of the circumstance? Who should we look at pending your townflip?

Hey pooky, did you see that part where you were right all along about titus?

These are walls, but please respond

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Sparknotes:
You accused her of not wanting the shards as much any more.
She tried to bursh you off.
You kept up.
She made up her slayer's gambit and tried to turn it around on you.
You, ceph, annie all asked her how her slayers gambit made sense.
She came up with an entirely new gambit (completely unrelated to the slayers gambit) that revovled around needed 2 shards
People questioned her about earlier statements implying she needed only 1 shard.
She faked ignorance.

In post 2479, unwnd wrote:Medea you still believe LLD is town regardless of the circumstance? Who should we look at pending your townflip?

If medea flips town, my view of you is going to need some review. I've already got some qualms about how hard you've ridden to protect manatee.

And Rhea.

^^ And Rhea = she will need some review, too.

i've actually killed scum!titus and seen scum titus get caught like multiple times

usually she just mumbles some nonsense and hides from the thread until she gets eliminated.

she's got a lot of zest this game and just keeps going.

i'll read your case again after I have something to eat cuz im starving

Haha me protecting Rhea is simply not true at all. Rhea doesn't need protection she's a big strong girl

And in terms of protecting Manatee? That's been mostly courtesy and seeing what others would do. Medea has the capability to bury Manatee at any times yet still plays with their food.

In post 2454, Medea the Alien wrote:...as penguin_alien, independent of Cabd, Rhea. Do you have an opinion of my scum game? If so, how many checks would you give it on a 1-10 scale? Then same question for:

Cabd

ffery

Pooky

--PA

P-edit: Maybe don't guess, Dragons? And don't tell me what I'm arguing in good or bad faith to someone who couldn't even allow a bit of empathy to be expressed to me without making it all about her.

I didnt think your response there was relatdd to my point about poor faith. If you really think she has done nothing to sort you or offer points about you, I suggest you reread her posts, since I think shes made like at least 2 very strong posts on the topic that are influencing me.

@Unwnd. What are your thoughts on Titus?

Thoughts on my case?

In post 2465, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 2394, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 2199, Medea the Alien wrote:Ffery, two options forward. Separation and keeping me in stasis, or four person hydra thread-PT. Your call. My hand is extended. I'm gonna be digging in regardless.

I didn't see this last night.

please hold.

Here's the deal. I want as much of your thought process in the game thread as I can get. Bell and I aren't trying to convince each other about your alignment, but we're not entirely on the same page right now.

Regardless, more data from you is good for the game.

So...3 plus a curmudgeon?

I have very little left to give here. I've been more open here than almost any game I've played on-site, and it's not getting me anywhere. I need to sit down with ManateeGirl's posts and look at how she reacted to scum reads and how she adjusted her play in response in the course of this game phase. Given that you're one of the ones who coached her in the dead thread and talked about it, if you want to look at how she immediately responded to Dunn and how she's adjusted since then I would appreciate it. Look at how hard I had to push her to think about the idea that maybe we (Medea) were scum and how long it took her to go there. And how she never did her own independent thinking to consider the other option that she might be incorrectly townreading people on the wagon since we're town.

I want your opinion. Not your fears, not your paranoia. I'm planning on doing my own read, and then I'll do a similar breakdown of her posting ignoring her takes on me like I did with Lukewarm to evaluate that read.

--PA

P-edit: unwnd, what is with your obsession about eliminating the most dangerous players versus just finding the damn scum? Please name me a duo who you think would survive the loss of their third teammate and then coast through the remainder of the game unchallenged. And don't even think about feeding me that line about how tired you are of Day One when you've been right up there among the top posters, top four with Sleez/unwnd combined and highest non-hydra. You helped make this massive Day One, you can deal with it like the rest of us.

And apparently this isn't LLD's game tactics in the slightest. Which means I have to go back and consider everything like Rhea is an entirely new player who still deserves our regard for her play as more than a brand-new account. Which confuses the hell out of me. I was assuming that Rhea was a shared identity that worked from the same ideas and expressed things differently. She apparently has no opinion of my game (scum game at least) despite having one on Cabd's, and I have no idea where to go with this right now given I'm still assimilating the info.

If we're flipped today, where to look would depend partially on how our wagon went down and partially on reads at that point. Frankly, your combined desire to hook a 'big fish' and distaste for all the content produced in this day phase make me think you wouldn't give a rat's ass anyways. We'd be an early game elim whose opinions were irrelevant, on account of having played in such a way as to allowed so many people to vote us out.

In post 2485, unwnd wrote:Haha me protecting Rhea is simply not true at all. Rhea doesn't need protection she's a big strong girl

And in terms of protecting Manatee? That's been mostly courtesy and seeing what others would do. Medea has the capability to bury Manatee at any times yet still plays with their food.

See the subsequent post. The "And Rhea" wasn't about you.

I skimread it

I basically offered my vote because you put the effort in to wanting to kill someone. Usually when a case is made it's common to just follow that lead because it's a big enough staple in the game to have something to track back to. Either you've got Titus pinned or scum can't ignore the gaping hole. Either one forces them to make more movement.

Yet..I don't really feel like that happened. I assume you believe it's because she's scum and people are trying to protect her, but is Titus enough of a net loss to stick their neck out for?

In post 2488, Medea the Alien wrote:

In post 2465, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 2394, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 2199, Medea the Alien wrote:Ffery, two options forward. Separation and keeping me in stasis, or four person hydra thread-PT. Your call. My hand is extended. I'm gonna be digging in regardless.

I didn't see this last night.

please hold.

Here's the deal. I want as much of your thought process in the game thread as I can get. Bell and I aren't trying to convince each other about your alignment, but we're not entirely on the same page right now.

Regardless, more data from you is good for the game.

So...3 plus a curmudgeon?

I have very little left to give here. I've been more open here than almost any game I've played on-site, and it's not getting me anywhere. I need to sit down with ManateeGirl's posts and look at how she reacted to scum reads and how she adjusted her play in response in the course of this game phase. Given that you're one of the ones who coached her in the dead thread and talked about it, if you want to look at how she immediately responded to Dunn and how she's adjusted since then I would appreciate it. Look at how hard I had to push her to think about the idea that maybe we (Medea) were scum and how long it took her to go there. And how she never did her own independent thinking to consider the other option that she might be incorrectly townreading people on the wagon since we're town.

I want your opinion. Not your fears, not your paranoia. I'm planning on doing my own read, and then I'll do a similar breakdown of her posting ignoring her takes on me like I did with Lukewarm to evaluate that read.

--PA

P-edit: unwnd, what is with your obsession about eliminating the most dangerous players versus just finding the damn scum? Please name me a duo who you think would survive the loss of their third teammate and then coast through the remainder of the game unchallenged. And don't even think about feeding me that line about how tired you are of Day One when you've been right up there among the top posters, top four with Sleez/unwnd combined and highest non-hydra. You helped make this massive Day One, you can deal with it like the rest of us.

And apparently this isn't LLD's game tactics in the slightest. Which means I have to go back and consider everything like Rhea is an entirely new player who still deserves our regard for her play as more than a brand-new account. Which confuses the hell out of me. I was assuming that Rhea was a shared identity that worked from the same ideas and expressed things differently. She apparently has no opinion of my game (scum game at least) despite having one on Cabd's, and I have no idea where to go with this right now given I'm still assimilating the info.

If we're flipped today, where to look would depend partially on how our wagon went down and partially on reads at that point. Frankly, your combined desire to hook a 'big fish' and distaste for all the content produced in this day phase make me think you wouldn't give a rat's ass anyways. We'd be an early game elim whose opinions were irrelevant, on account of having played in such a way as to allowed so many people to vote us out.

If you want to eliminate Manatee I'm not gonna stop you

I can be convinced. I just haven't been. Did you speak on it more why she is scum? Is that your #1 priority? I'm not exactly obsessed with a big fish. I'm just making waves.

In post 2491, unwnd wrote:

In post 2488, Medea the Alien wrote:

In post 2465, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 2394, Snarky Fishes wrote:

In post 2199, Medea the Alien wrote:Ffery, two options forward. Separation and keeping me in stasis, or four person hydra thread-PT. Your call. My hand is extended. I'm gonna be digging in regardless.

I didn't see this last night.

please hold.

Here's the deal. I want as much of your thought process in the game thread as I can get. Bell and I aren't trying to convince each other about your alignment, but we're not entirely on the same page right now.

Regardless, more data from you is good for the game.

So...3 plus a curmudgeon?

I have very little left to give here. I've been more open here than almost any game I've played on-site, and it's not getting me anywhere. I need to sit down with ManateeGirl's posts and look at how she reacted to scum reads and how she adjusted her play in response in the course of this game phase. Given that you're one of the ones who coached her in the dead thread and talked about it, if you want to look at how she immediately responded to Dunn and how she's adjusted since then I would appreciate it. Look at how hard I had to push her to think about the idea that maybe we (Medea) were scum and how long it took her to go there. And how she never did her own independent thinking to consider the other option that she might be incorrectly townreading people on the wagon since we're town.

I want your opinion. Not your fears, not your paranoia. I'm planning on doing my own read, and then I'll do a similar breakdown of her posting ignoring her takes on me like I did with Lukewarm to evaluate that read.

--PA

P-edit: unwnd, what is with your obsession about eliminating the most dangerous players versus just finding the damn scum? Please name me a duo who you think would survive the loss of their third teammate and then coast through the remainder of the game unchallenged. And don't even think about feeding me that line about how tired you are of Day One when you've been right up there among the top posters, top four with Sleez/unwnd combined and highest non-hydra. You helped make this massive Day One, you can deal with it like the rest of us.

And apparently this isn't LLD's game tactics in the slightest. Which means I have to go back and consider everything like Rhea is an entirely new player who still deserves our regard for her play as more than a brand-new account. Which confuses the hell out of me. I was assuming that Rhea was a shared identity that worked from the same ideas and expressed things differently. She apparently has no opinion of my game (scum game at least) despite having one on Cabd's, and I have no idea where to go with this right now given I'm still assimilating the info.

If we're flipped today, where to look would depend partially on how our wagon went down and partially on reads at that point. Frankly, your combined desire to hook a 'big fish' and distaste for all the content produced in this day phase make me think you wouldn't give a rat's ass anyways. We'd be an early game elim whose opinions were irrelevant, on account of having played in such a way as to allowed so many people to vote us out.

If you want to eliminate Manatee I'm not gonna stop you

I can be convinced. I just haven't been. Did you speak on it more why she is scum? Is that your #1 priority? I'm not exactly obsessed with a big fish. I'm just making waves.

look at you backpedaling.

No I'm pretty sure I said close to the same thing to Medea earlier

In post 2433, Medea the Alien wrote:Hey Rhea, on a scale of 1-10, how much respect do you have for my scum game individually? Because I've never been under the impression that you've thought I was any great shakes.

Let's do Cabd, ffery, and Pooky for comparison while we're at it.

--PA

P-edit: At this point I'm more interested in a ManateeGirl or Titus elim, depending on what I think of the details of the Titus case and how the next couple of days go, AE. From my perspective, Rhea hasn't done much of anything except call me a liar about...something...in my read of her. While expressing no interest in anything else of ours. (P-edit: I interpret that as she takes offense at all our reads, yay) Plus the 'eliminate Cabd because he might be scary if he's scum, never mind the fact that his oh-so-scary play in combo with mine has half the game after our heads' thing. And piss me off personally quite a bit, but that's part of what's not really productive here. Although that does remind me of a question I did have for her.

Rhea, would you consider your general gamestyle/approach as varying alignments to be in line with the identity that usually plays games as Lady Lambdadelta here? Or is it a question of 'different identity, different scumhunting/scum-playing approach'? Because I was under the impression that it was the former, and that the difference here wasn't in mindset but rather in communication method.

So I'm tired of being misunderstood, so I'm breaking my self imposed restriction this one to clear up all of this because I frankly don't want to deal with you taking some kind of grudge you have with Niamh out on me. I have said nothing to you this game, I've only posted Yes and No and Youtube videos. That you somehow get the impression I don't respect you from me expressing that I have worries that your hydra will gain thread control of this game and are ramping up into being able to do it, astounds me.

What astounds me more is that I've never played with you, and only seen you and Cabd play in brief viewings, and you still think I somehow could have less respect for you. Let me shatter that illusory fantasy for you right now. I have never played with you. I am a different person. I don't have the same ideals and goals as Niamh.

That's another thing, by the way. The way in which you continue to assert that I'm playing the same way as Niamh when literally I'm not and I can't, is super frustrating. But the worst part is how offensive it is, because whether you mean it to or not, it processes for me as you saying that I'm not real, and that you won't even treat me as such. It processes like you looking at DID and dissociation and going "that's not real, you're just Niamh++ with a post restriction". And that's fucking hurtful.

On top of that, of the 3 posts that were made by Niamh in this thread, I was concerned that her words in being upset that people were rushing to comfort you while I was bleeding would come across and be taken the EXACT WAY YOU TOOK THEM. And so I instructed Niamh to make that addendum because it's not what she meant and it's certainly not what I wanted conveyed. You are allowed and deserve to have Sympathy, but this game has been really frustrating and painful for me, and your hydra (Cabd and you together) has been a real part of that, so there's a real pain there.

I'd also thank you not to use some kind of excuse that Ceph doesn't get to question your words that discredit the reads I have developed on your slot as nothing more than what you wrote, by using that interaction. Ceph was clearly speaking about what I've done in game, and you're sitting here yelling at Ceph about something that is personal, and more over to that, something that wasn't even expressed by us. I'd really like it if you took that out of your game, because not only was that not the intention of anything, but also I don't want to sit here and have to wonder whether or not you're weaponizing that emotion to force Ceph to back off. It's a shitty thing to have to think about and I'd really rather not, because then I have to start questioning your emotions and personal mentality.

Which is exactly what has been frustrating me with how others, not just your hydra, have been treating me this game. So I'd like to avoid that all together.

Finally, as an actual game point, Ceph is right. I have made several points about your posts, your read progressions, your reads in general, how you guys played pre and post switch, the motivations for your play and I am seeing and my concerns with how you are progressing in the game that make me read you as scum. To identify that as "being upset I lied about something" is really a misrepresentation.

If you want to know what I was talking about, you were mentioning that we, as a slot, were going to try and kill you, as a slot, without knowing your alignment. That's a pure lie, I have zero intention of doing this. Not only because it's silly, but also because, once again, saying it loud for the people in the back:



I don't type like her, I don't act like her, I have different views and values, I like different things, I am a wholy different person, and yes I can play forum mafia by typing without much issue too. There are even some games on this website that I have played alone myself, as me! If I could remember them I'd link them. It's a difficult process.If Niamh and I have similarities it's because we live in the same brain and it's difficult not to have some things similar, or some globally shared values. I am not my Sister and I'd really thank people to understand that.

I have done my utmost to be respectful to everyone in this game. The 2 times I have been disrespectful involved Titus and AA9, when I told them to fuck themselves for implying I was faking my silence, and that I shouldn't be allowed to play in silence, respectively. I'm not sure I WANT to apologize for those bits of rudeness, given how they hurt me.

I'd like to go back to my silence now, because the whole goal of this exercise for me is to prove I could play Mafia in a live setting with people who are my friends, and not only let Niamh and Rhiannon and Aisling have all the fun. As of so far, I've gotten mixed results, but I'm really hoping that it'll be okay, in the end, and people can work with me on this. I don't want to have to go into this verbosity again.

Because honestly, while I can write like this, I'm really uncomfortable with it, even if it's not as bad as speaking.

Thanks for your time and understanding,

Rhea

Ugh... that came across more rude than I intended it to...

I'm not trying to be rude, genuinely, I'm just not... great with words. Trying to express my feelings without harming others in the process and my frustration and...

I'm going back to silence, I can't believe I thought this would be better.

You're fine

I like your presence Rhea, as a person

Medea I'm gonna go look into why you want Manatee dead and see if I can't scrounge something

Then I'm gonna stop being a prick and give you a full response.

Things that don't makes sense in a town Titus world.

If she was setting up a slayers gambit, why did Pooky trigger it when asking about the shards, but Medea did not trigger it when voting for her? What makes pushing over the shards specifically the trigger?

Looking at 2013, she CLEARLY knows that she needs two shards at the time of writing it.
-Why does she later act out, and include in thread, her checking the rules 2028 asking the mod 2029? Even if she was confused earlier in the day, but found out before she made 2013 (which I think is required to write 2013) why did she act like she was figruing it out for the first time here, instaed of just saying "Oh, when I said 1-sharder, I thought we needed 1 shard, but I figured it out already" ?
-----Conversely, if she really is confused, and did not know she needed 2 shards, what the fuck is she talking about in 2013?

Finally, what the fuck is this?
My question

In post 2135, Lukewarm wrote:Did you figure it out before or after you wrote 2013?

Her answers

In post 2167, Titus wrote:I'm not sure when I figured it out. I was confused and probably thinking both simultaneously until Annie quoted the mod for me.

In post 2278, Titus wrote:You're also trying to rehash a conversation that happened in real time and trying to place an unreasonable burden of pointing out to recreate the exact process of my thoughts when it's there in the thread. You're flailing looking for some gotcha moment.

You're telling me that town!Titus cannot look at 2013 and figure out if she thought she needed 1 or 2 shards? Or that town!Titus thought that was a "unreasonable burden" of a question?

Or that Town!Titus was confused about the mechanic, and while still confused and unsure, she fully outlined a finely detailed gambit plan instead of figuring out if her gambit made any fucking sense? And then her gambit plan, made while confused on the mechanic, happened to fit accurately with the rules of the mechanic?