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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 2:59 pm

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Lol damnit I left my lights on. Let me go take care of that. I also gotta figure out how to decide how to random on 11 people. Maybe a set of casino dice will work. Lets see what happens

Come out roll was a seven. Pay the line.

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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:44 pm

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Mizz.Mafia wrote:im voting slicey becuz slicey sounds like he going to slice someone D: haha

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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 3:45 pm

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freeko wrote:Lol damnit I left my lights on. Let me go take care of that. I also gotta figure out how to decide how to random on 11 people. Maybe a set of casino dice will work. Lets see what happens

Come out roll was a seven. Pay the line.

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Using a random generator isn't a way of looking town, scum.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:01 pm

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** blatant sarcasm to follow **

Oh come on, I ran out of ideas for a random vote. At least give me some credit for making the casino reference for rolling my casino dice. Too bad I dont feel like an OMGUS vote right yet on you.

** end sarcasm.. nah not yet **

Just because you lost big money on the dont pass line, dont blame me. I think you are playing with the house, which would make you scum amirite?

** ok, now I really end sarcasm **
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 4:02 pm

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freeko wrote:** blatant sarcasm to follow **

Oh come on, I ran out of ideas for a random vote. At least give me some credit for making the casino reference for rolling my casino dice. Too bad I dont feel like an OMGUS vote right yet on you.

** end sarcasm.. nah not yet **

Just because you lost big money on the dont pass line, dont blame me. I think you are playing with the house, which would make you scum amirite?

** ok, now I really end sarcasm **
at least be creative with your sarcasm.

** start sarcasm **

you are wonderful.

** end sarcasm **
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 9:14 pm

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Hah, you guys are clever.

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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Mon Feb 23, 2009 10:59 pm

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I shall
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then. I never did like the rvs anyway. It just seems pointless to me, though I guess there's not many other ways to start the game.

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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:40 am

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Master Ruck wrote:I shall
Unvote
then. I never did like the rvs anyway. It just seems pointless to me, though I guess there's not many other ways to start the game.

Mod: What's the status on Slicey and Corvuus?
To be brutally honest, Master Ruck, I am at least semi-trolling you. There are lots of discussions if you trawl around mafia discussion about how to start the game without using the rvs.

What do you all think about metagaming?
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:48 am

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Sometimes it helps, sometimes it's null. Mostly we should just play the game, but if a player has a meta of being a compulsive lier or some other such thing, then I would take it into consideration and be wary of that user.
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:52 am

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Master Ruck wrote:Sometimes it helps, sometimes it's null. Mostly we should just play the game, but if a player has a meta of being a compulsive lier or some other such thing, then I would take it into consideration and be wary of that user.
I wonder how many compulsive liars we have on ms.net... :P

To meta, is all important. The important stuff is always the context, and meta is a part of that context.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:40 am

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We techinically, I have zero completed games on this site. How would you metagame me?
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:46 am

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Sorry, I couldn't find the game. >______>

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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:39 am

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Shadow Knight wrote:We techinically, I have zero completed games on this site. How would you metagame me?
Obviously, I can't. If I could, though, what would be the point in wasting that information?

Actually, the very knowledge that you come from another site is useful. Other sites have different metas.
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 7:33 am

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Meta is only so useful, as players learn and playstyles tend to change.

What I use meta for the most is checking if certain players just like to play scummy regardless of their alignment (chronic lurkers, for example). But even then, I usually make it a point to discourage scummy play.

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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:37 am

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Ah, ok. See in that context, I don't use metagaming. I tend to lynch the scummiest player on the basis that scummy players are most likely scum. The corollary being that if town players acting scummy get lynched enough, they stop acting scummy.

Granted, I've been lynched for acting scummy as town before, and I haven't really made any effort to change my playstyle, so I guess there are exceptions to every rule.

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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:17 pm

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Artem wrote:Meta is only so useful, as players learn and playstyles tend to change.

What I use meta for the most is checking if certain players just like to play scummy regardless of their alignment (chronic lurkers, for example). But even then, I usually make it a point to discourage scummy play.

<-- big proponent of "if you're a townie, act townie".
Personality doesn't change, or at least not that drastically. Sure, people's play improves, changes, call it what you like. That doesn't invalidate meta. Changes are generally gradual, so your meta can become out of date. Take Battle Mage. Battle Mage, I don't know if you've ever seen him around, has a ridiculous ppd. When he joined, his name was a byword for being insanely active yet playing incredibly poorly (and also being an arrogant prat). All of these things have now mellowed, and he's now a decent mafia player and a decent person. One of the things about BM was that he was almost impossible to pick as scum. As people got used to him, got used to his mannerisms, they began to pick up on it. Meta can work with gut. I could tell you, say, Glork was scum, without ever having any proof, because I've played with him a lot, and I've played with him as scum a lot - this is despite not having played with him in ages. This was rambling and didn't really communicate the point I wanted it to, I think.

Acting townie is all well and good. Can you tell me what that actually means? I will always (try to) act in the way that most benefits my team. Sometimes that means sacrificing a hit to others perception of me. Say a wagon has formed on a player. All of a sudden, you realise he's scum! Should you avoid voting him, because your sudden change of heart would look scummy? No, of course not!
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 1:18 pm

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Shadow Knight - what is scummy? Scummy behaviour is behaviour that is indicative of a player being scum, yeah? Well I argue that said behaviour changes from person to person. In other words, the same actions would make one player look scummy but not another.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:20 pm

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Vote: Mizz.Mafia

For having too much of a similar name. :P<33
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:54 pm

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Shanba wrote:
Artem wrote:Meta is only so useful, as players learn and playstyles tend to change.

What I use meta for the most is checking if certain players just like to play scummy regardless of their alignment (chronic lurkers, for example). But even then, I usually make it a point to discourage scummy play.

<-- big proponent of "if you're a townie, act townie".
Personality doesn't change, or at least not that drastically. Sure, people's play improves, changes, call it what you like. That doesn't invalidate meta. Changes are generally gradual, so your meta can become out of date. Take Battle Mage. Battle Mage, I don't know if you've ever seen him around, has a ridiculous ppd. When he joined, his name was a byword for being insanely active yet playing incredibly poorly (and also being an arrogant prat). All of these things have now mellowed, and he's now a decent mafia player and a decent person. One of the things about BM was that he was almost impossible to pick as scum. As people got used to him, got used to his mannerisms, they began to pick up on it. Meta can work with gut. I could tell you, say, Glork was scum, without ever having any proof, because I've played with him a lot, and I've played with him as scum a lot - this is despite not having played with him in ages. This was rambling and didn't really communicate the point I wanted it to, I think.

Acting townie is all well and good. Can you tell me what that actually means? I will always (try to) act in the way that most benefits my team. Sometimes that means sacrificing a hit to others perception of me. Say a wagon has formed on a player. All of a sudden, you realise he's scum! Should you avoid voting him, because your sudden change of heart would look scummy? No, of course not!
I personally don't like meta-ing another person. I prefer to play with someone multiple times in order to get a feel for their playstyles with various roles. Meta has its uses, but in essence can be a detriment to a game if you use that meta as a stereotype for that player's playstyle.

I prefer to use logic and reasoning according to my side's alignment in order to decide my course of action. Much like Shanba has already said, always trying to please everybody isn't going to get you very far. You sometimes have to make enemies.
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:05 pm

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LOL missrin. our names may be similar, but my name is better because it has mi[zz] <-- YEH~~~

haha - sorrie boys, us girlie's are having a fight.

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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 4:08 pm

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ugh, I don't really like using meta. Just look for the scummiest player, regardless of how they normally play. I feel that I at the very least play very similar town as I do scum.
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:20 pm

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haha - sorrie boys, us girlie's are having a fight.
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Tue Feb 24, 2009 5:44 pm

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haha - sorrie boys, us girlie's are having a fight.
Oh, dont stop on my account.
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Wed Feb 25, 2009 3:54 am

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Shanba wrote:Shadow Knight - what is scummy? Scummy behaviour is behaviour that is indicative of a player being scum, yeah? Well I argue that said behaviour changes from person to person. In other words, the same actions would make one player look scummy but not another.
Scummy depends on the context. Under most cases, I would call things like distracting the town scummy. I've seen vanilla townies fake posting restrictions. I call that scummy (because in game, you don't know they're town till they're swinging from a tree).
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Wed Feb 25, 2009 7:38 am

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/confirm/sign, etc.

I didn't know the thread was open until the mod pm'ed me.

I am surprised that it got me two votes in the random stage but then again, apparently Slice and Mizz also got a few votes too so this seems like a really interesting town already or most of you know each other.

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