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at this point i agree with my other head. more fun not to know.

additionally: if players are good town players, they will likely be playing a solid protown game anyway even as a hydra and thus would draw an nk regardless.

even so i dont really see the problem in revealing heads, particularly under pressure(as in L-1). it would be akin to name/role claiming in a regular themed game i'd expect.

Mr Smith wrote: My stance on meta: It can be used to find townies from a town point of view, but it does not work for finding scum, which is the most important part of town play. Town play tends to be less predictable and so specific things from a player's town meta can be noticed and used as towntells. Howeverm scum metas are far less diverse and using meta to find scum doesn't really do anything except distract from actual scumhunting.

and i agree with this.

/supconfirm

I'm loving the originality of all the players. Btw, I'm being totally serious.

This...This is going to be interesting.

~Jerry

Ha! This is how I'll probably ACT like.

GOOD THING that ITALIAN ANNOYANCE isn't here to annoy me.

~CSL

Because I use Bowser all the time in games that include him.

/CONFIRM.

WE'RE NOT REVEALING OUR IDENTITIES UNLESS OTHER HEAD THINKS OTHERWISE.
CURRENTLY READING WHAT'S GOING ON THEAR.

I CAN USE CAPS TOO.

Be a dear, and tone it down some ok? I'd rather not read through a game of CAPS WARS.

So Professor Paradox somehow includes Fate even though he's not in this game. Nice to know.
Bowser's most recent post is completely worthless.

I don't do caps wars.

SOMETIMES, I may use one word that's capitalized.

PREVIEW EDIT: This isn't Day 1 yet. Stop acting like it is, please.

~CSL

I can't think of a one-liner!

As soon as the thread opens, scumhunting commences. This is the law in any mafia game. Do not pass off my logic simply because "OH IT'S NOT D1 YET LOLOLOLOL".

You are going to be a nuisance.

I wasn't trying to pass off your logic. I was stating the obvious.

Yo Bwser, chillax man you are being a little annoying.

Mr Smith, I get your logic but how bout we all wait till Day one to annoy each other and call each other scumbags and such?

~Jerry (And I'm keepin the peace)

I agree with Jerry.

(I bet the other head will agree too)

~CSL

What my last post should've ended with.

Bowser wrote:You are going to be a nuisance.

I wasn't trying to pass off your logic. I was stating the obvious.

Is that the best you can do?

Mr Smith wrote:My stance on meta: It can be used to find townies from a town point of view, but it does not work for finding scum, which is the most important part of town play. Town play tends to be less predictable and so specific things from a player's town meta can be noticed and used as towntells. Howeverm scum metas are far less diverse and using meta to find scum doesn't really do anything except distract from actual scumhunting

Your reasoning is poor. Townies identifying townies should be a great thing. Scum hate pro-town bands. Scum is what is left when you have identified all the townies. Identifying people to trust is anything but a distraction from scumhunting.

Crab Canon hereby agrees with itself in wanting to out the hydras. One more concrete reason is monitoring activity. I want to be able to tell when the individual heads have 40 posts on the site without a single one here. I want scum to have that pressure to post at uncomfortable times to them, or be caught in active lurking, or have to coordinate silence sitewide.

Generally reading people has a lot to do with reading personality types to me. I remember looking at the playlist and counting 8 or so people who's MO I'm at least somewhat familiar with. It's already schitzophrenic enough with every account having 2 personalities - not being able to research the individual heads will make it even harder.
I don't see a pro-town reason for withholding the hydras identities.

Also: @Sotty7, in whichever hydra you are a head:
Hi. Are you scum?

lol FAIL, have to get used to this.
MOD, please delete above. Reposting.

Mr Smith wrote:My stance on meta: It can be used to find townies from a town point of view, but it does not work for finding scum, which is the most important part of town play. Town play tends to be less predictable and so specific things from a player's town meta can be noticed and used as towntells. Howeverm scum metas are far less diverse and using meta to find scum doesn't really do anything except distract from actual scumhunting

Your reasoning is poor. Townies identifying townies should be a great thing. Scum hate pro-town bands. Scum is what is left when you have identified all the townies. Identifying people to trust is anything but a distraction from scumhunting.

Crab Canon hereby agrees with itself in wanting to out the hydras. One more concrete reason is monitoring activity. I want to be able to tell when the individual heads have 40 posts on the site without a single one here. I want scum to have that pressure to post at uncomfortable times to them, or be caught in active lurking, or have to coordinate silence sitewide.

Generally reading people has a lot to do with reading personality types to me. I remember looking at the playlist and counting 8 or so people who's MO I'm at least somewhat familiar with. It's already schitzophrenic enough with every account having 2 personalities - not being able to research the individual heads will make it even harder.
I don't see a pro-town reason for withholding the hydras identities.

Also: @Sotty7, in whichever hydra you are a head:
Hi. Are you scum?

I signed up for this game for the anonymity provided by being in a hydra. If you're going to force a headclaim, you're basically destroying my main reason for joining this game.
Aside from that, identifying townies and then lynching everyone else is a terrible way to scumhunt.

Also, outting the hydra heads eliminates the need for us to be spending time talking about and wondering who is who. Wow, we keep coming up with more and more reasons to do it.

So far anti-reasons are 1) Scum targets experienced players (poor) and 2) It's more fun (stupid)

There you go. We win. Do it.

Also, my guess is that there is scum among the hydras that haven't checked in yet. Chattering away in their scum QTs and what not for pregame.

-VP over and out

--preview edit--

@Smith - identifying townies is not a terrible way to scumhunt. It's a very effective tool and more players should try and do it. You still pursue scum suspects, but you also learn to rule out people based on town reads. This makes your focus and rate of actually lynching scum increase.

Personally, I thought the anonymity of Hydra heads was what separated this game from being like any other game.

I mean, if we just claim who we are then why the frick not just play with our regular accounts and do like a Mason thing?

Not claiming who i am.

~ Jerry

Reference post:


Chimaira
Faranor
FourTigers
IceCream
MasterSpy

@TomandJerry - get an avatar please, thanks.

We could tell everyone who tried to figure out who is who to shut the hell up, stop wasting time, and start scumhunting, and it'd probably have the same effect.
I guess that last bit makes sense but it's not convincing enough to make me change my mind about head claims. Add to the fact that my other head does not appear to be around to discuss this whole situation, and I'd prefer consulting with them before doing anything drastic.

P-Edit: Agree with Jerry. Jerry is a pretty cool dude.

Crab Canon wrote: @TomandJerry - get an avatar please, thanks.

I'm letting Tom decide. For I chose the name.

Mr Smith wrote:P-Edit: Agree with Jerry. Jerry is a pretty cool dude.

If I didn't have pride, I would call you out for buddying. But Hey, a compliment is a compliment! (until you find out who i am and then it all goes downhill)

Oh and I gotta get used to this signing off thing

~Jerry

I personally feel that "buddying" just doesn't happen, regardless of the accusation being flung around everywhere. I don't think I've ever seen it be valid.
Aside from that, I agreed but I also said it first so TECHNICALLY you agreed with me, but just didn't say it the way I did.

bv311 wrote:I CAN USE CAPS TOO.

Be a dear, and tone it down some ok? I'd rather not read through a game of CAPS WARS.

ARE YOU SCARED OF CAPS? LOLOLOL

Mr Smith wrote:So Professor Paradox somehow includes Fate even though he's not in this game. Nice to know.
Bowser's most recent post is completely worthless.

I lol'd.
And, no, we won't ragepost all time. Maybe for a while on pregame/RVS, and if any of us consider it suitable later, but this might change.
Expect the unexpected is all I can say.

Mr Smith wrote:As soon as the thread opens, scumhunting commences. This is the law in any mafia game. Do not pass off my logic simply because "OH IT'S NOT D1 YET LOLOLOLOL".

Indeed. Anyone thinking otherwise is a bad player.

Mr Smith wrote:I signed up for this game for the anonymity provided by being in a hydra. If you're going to force a headclaim, you're basically destroying my main reason for joining this game.
Aside from that, identifying townies and then lynching everyone else is a terrible way to scumhunt.

Identifying townies is an important part of scumhunting IMO. However, I accept the first part.
This head is a schizo at talking about meta. One head seems to love meta (I think...), while the other one (this one) doesn't like to use it as argument, as it might be used as excuse to pass off poor play as meta. That is annoying, and useless.
@T&J: If you do have more than one navigator, you can use one to log in as the hydra, other to log in as yourself. That's what I'm doing.

@ Prof. Para
thats not what I meant by signing off.

I meant putting ~Jerry at the bottom of my post.

~ Jerry

TomAndJerry wrote:Personally, I thought the anonymity of Hydra heads was what separated this game from being like any other game.

Personally, I find having 24 people (many of them strangers to each other) randomly bound inseparably together and watching the fireworks keeping this game from being like any other. Also all-hydra game.
And it's possible to be anonymous via alt in almost any other game, too. Unless have some reason be drawn to an all-anonymous game.
What I'm after is as much clarity as possible. Anything of help to reads. 12 random hydras is chaotic and lulzy in itself. In addition to previously mentioned things, I've played one hydra game previously, and while our heads were public, the fact that noone knew me or my partner beforehand and we didn't usually sign our posts making us so hard to meta that I felt effectually metaless made me feel very comfortable as scum. I want any potential avenue to make scum less comfortable pursued, regardless of whether any meta is actually used. Town lacks paranoia about their meta.

Oj