<[M191]> GM1: Gaian Alliance <[Game Over]>

[Lubabah]

vote: Lububah

You even spelled my name wrong...

And isnt it day 1, not night 1 in the thread name?

[BabyJesus]

That's not how I interpreted that statement at all, BJ. I read that as "I also don't think that we will have that many players with names that will clear them." I think the remainder of Puzzle's post (which you conveniently neglected to quote) supports that conclusion.

Game-wise, I don't have much to interpret but I think that some names are pretty clear by definition

unvote: d_rouge; vote: BabyJesus

for crap logic.

you're an idiot

[Save The Dragons]

Puzzle: If you were refering to my post right before yours, LM mentioned that there was only 1 scum group. Now I see he also said 1 scum group and an SK, so my point is moot.

K. Let me say my peace before BJ gets lynched D1 again.

It's a vote. BJ's not trying to kill puzzle. It's just like saying Puzzle is suspicious for such and such a reason (you know, like half of the posts made on this site?), except with a vote attached.

BJ never put words in you mouth, Puzzle. BJ's speculating. It's a hypothesis. It's an unlikely one. What do we call unlikely hypotheses, random speculation, and voting without much to go on?

Day 1. Do better.

[Yosarian2]

Ok...first of all, Baby Jesus being lynched day 1 has become such a cliche that I tend to suspect anyone who looks like they're pushing for a quick BabyJ lynch on day 1; it just looks like scum trying to get an easy lynch. Espeacally when 3 votes on BabyJesus appear by page 2 for little reason, I really think that all three people on that bandwagon look a little scummy.

fos:Lubabah, fos:Fuldu, fos:Puzzle

. Lubabah looks a little scummy because of the odd timing on his "random" vote for Baby Jesus and his odd behavior in general with that, but that might just be him being a newbie.

More scummy looking, IMHO, are Fuldu and Puzzle. I get the impression that Fuldu and Puzzle are working together; Baby Jesus attacks Puzzle, so Fuldu votes Baby Jesus for "crap logic". It really wasn't crap logic, anyway; it was either a valid question or a simple misunderstanding, neither one of which is crap logic. Then Puzzle uses Fuldu's crap logic as an excuse to OMGUS vote Baby Jesus. The way they dropped a rapid second and third vote on Baby Jesus for such little reason makes it look like the two of them are hunting for an easy lynch target. I'm going to

Vote:Fuldu

, who looks like the more scummy of the two to me.

[BabyJesus]

Gaia seems to act more as a host than as a player, i doubt think a player is assigned to her.

I dunno, I think given how Gaia is referenced in the writeup I'm inclined to believe there IS a Gaia player....but I guess we shall see.

Interesting the pileon BabyJesus votes....given that this is a small game, I do not think we have a lot of misses, so I will nip that in the bud.

I am

Hypnos, god of sleep

, I can put any player to "sleep" at night....kind of a roleblocker, I assume.
I took no action last night, as I did not want to risk putting a vision/protection type getting blocked.

as for puzzle's vote..

Many of her children, including Kronos, Atlas, and others, known as the Gaian Alliance, massacred the planet Earth

sounds to me like the BG's WILL have clear names, I have a feeling if the Bad Guys are going to roleclaim, they are going to have to fake a name of a god that is not playing.

I have no vision or protection powers, so if the bg's want to waste a kill on me tonight, and risk being blocked, that is their choice.

[Lubabah]

Ok...first of all, Baby Jesus being lynched day 1 has become such a cliche that I tend to suspect anyone who looks like they're pushing for a quick BabyJ lynch on day 1; it just looks like scum trying to get an easy lynch. Espeacally when 3 votes on BabyJesus appear by page 2 for little reason, I really think that all three people on that bandwagon look a little scummy.

fos:Lubabah, fos:Fuldu, fos:Puzzle

. Lubabah looks a little scummy because of the odd timing on his "random" vote for Baby Jesus and his odd behavior in general with that,

but that might just be him being a newbie.

More scummy looking, IMHO, are Fuldu and Puzzle. I get the impression that Fuldu and Puzzle are working together; Baby Jesus attacks Puzzle, so Fuldu votes Baby Jesus for "crap logic". It really wasn't crap logic, anyway; it was either a valid question or a simple misunderstanding, neither one of which is crap logic. Then Puzzle uses Fuldu's crap logic as an excuse to OMGUS vote Baby Jesus. The way they dropped a rapid second and third vote on Baby Jesus for such little reason makes it look like the two of them are hunting for an easy lynch target. I'm going to

Vote:Fuldu

, who looks like the more scummy of the two to me.

Sounds to me like you accused Fuldu and Puzzle for having little reason for their votes, but you equally have little reason for your vote as well.

[Lubabah]

Ok...first of all, Baby Jesus being lynched day 1 has become such a cliche that I tend to suspect anyone who looks like they're pushing for a quick BabyJ lynch on day 1; it just looks like scum trying to get an easy lynch. Espeacally when 3 votes on BabyJesus appear by page 2 for little reason, I really think that all three people on that bandwagon look a little scummy.

fos:Lubabah, fos:Fuldu, fos:Puzzle

. Lubabah looks a little scummy because of the odd timing on his "random" vote for Baby Jesus and his odd behavior in general with that,

but that might just be him being a newbie.

More scummy looking, IMHO, are Fuldu and Puzzle. I get the impression that Fuldu and Puzzle are working together; Baby Jesus attacks Puzzle, so Fuldu votes Baby Jesus for "crap logic". It really wasn't crap logic, anyway; it was either a valid question or a simple misunderstanding, neither one of which is crap logic. Then Puzzle uses Fuldu's crap logic as an excuse to OMGUS vote Baby Jesus. The way they dropped a rapid second and third vote on Baby Jesus for such little reason makes it look like the two of them are hunting for an easy lynch target. I'm going to

Vote:Fuldu

, who looks like the more scummy of the two to me.

Sounds to me like you accused Fuldu and Puzzle for having little reason for their votes, but you equally have little reason for your vote as well.

[d_rouge]

I am

Hypnos, god of sleep

, I can put any player to "sleep" at night....kind of a roleblocker, I assume.
I took no action last night, as I did not want to risk putting a vision/protection type getting blocked.

This role claim seems a bit premature: I mean you're not near a lynch, so there was no need for it. Also, this really doesn't clear you since we can't really deduce your alignment from your name.

Many of her children, including Kronos, Atlas, and others, known as the Gaian Alliance, massacred the planet Earth

sounds to me like the BG's WILL have clear names, I have a feeling if the Bad Guys are going to roleclaim, they are going to have to fake a name of a god that is not playing.[/quote]
This is a possibility, but there will be certainly more than two scum, so this argument doesn't work for the "others" (not Kronos and Atlas).

[Yosarian2]

Sounds to me like you accused Fuldu and Puzzle for having little reason for their votes, but you equally have little reason for your vote as well.

No, I accused Fuldu and Puzzle of trying to start a day 1 Baby Jesus bandwagon based completly on spurious reasoning. I think that is a fairly strong reason for attacking them, as day one reasons go. The three of you already have him halfway to a lynch, and I find the behavior of all three of you suspicious, for different reasosns.

For example, you still have your vote on Baby Jesus. When you voted, you claimed it was a "random vote", although it seems strange to decide to hold your vote in your first post and then random vote later. Now, your so-called "random vote" is still sitting on someone who's halfway to a lynch, and you don't even comment on if you think he's scmmy, if you agree with Fuldu and Puzzle's reasons, or comment on Baby Jesus's roleclaim. Do you still think he's scummy, or not? Why? Do you want to lynch him right now or not? A lot has happened since your vote; what do you think now? The fact that you've posted twice times since Puzzle and Fuldu voted for BabyJ without commenting at all on any of it seems rather odd to me.

[PBuG]

Roleclaim Teh Firstness!

Fuldu

--- 3 --- Yosarian2, BabyJesus, SaveTheDragons

BabyJesus

--- 3 --- Fuldu, Puzzle, Lubalah

Lububah

--- 2 --- Lauritz Melchior, d_rouge

Not voting

--- 3 --- shelper, Phoebus, SapphireVerde

Yes, I misspelled Lubabah's name wrong on purpose

[Lubabah]

Yes, I misspelled Lubabah's name wrong on purpose

Lol.

No, I accused Fuldu and Puzzle of trying to start a day 1 Baby Jesus bandwagon based completly on spurious reasoning. I think that is a fairly strong reason for attacking them, as day one reasons go. The three of you already have him halfway to a lynch, and I find the behavior of all three of you suspicious, for different reasosns.

For example, you still have your vote on Baby Jesus. When you voted, you claimed it was a "random vote", although it seems strange to decide to hold your vote in your first post and then random vote later. Now, your so-called "random vote" is still sitting on someone who's halfway to a lynch, and you don't even comment on if you think he's scmmy, if you agree with Fuldu and Puzzle's reasons, or comment on Baby Jesus's roleclaim. Do you still think he's scummy, or not? Why? Do you want to lynch him right now or not? A lot has happened since your vote; what do you think now? The fact that you've posted twice times since Puzzle and Fuldu voted for BabyJ without commenting at all on any of it seems rather odd to me.

Although i am a newbie, i must explain my style of playing this game. (as i have played it many atime with my friends, except in real life)

I am very conservative. I have seen nothing scummy about any posts... yet, so i need a good convincing statement for me to sway me to vote (or even start to think that) that someone is scummy.

[Lubabah]

Yes, I misspelled Lubabah's name wrong on purpose

Lol.

No, I accused Fuldu and Puzzle of trying to start a day 1 Baby Jesus bandwagon based completly on spurious reasoning. I think that is a fairly strong reason for attacking them, as day one reasons go. The three of you already have him halfway to a lynch, and I find the behavior of all three of you suspicious, for different reasosns.

For example, you still have your vote on Baby Jesus. When you voted, you claimed it was a "random vote", although it seems strange to decide to hold your vote in your first post and then random vote later. Now, your so-called "random vote" is still sitting on someone who's halfway to a lynch, and you don't even comment on if you think he's scmmy, if you agree with Fuldu and Puzzle's reasons, or comment on Baby Jesus's roleclaim. Do you still think he's scummy, or not? Why? Do you want to lynch him right now or not? A lot has happened since your vote; what do you think now? The fact that you've posted twice times since Puzzle and Fuldu voted for BabyJ without commenting at all on any of it seems rather odd to me.

Although i am a newbie, i must explain my style of playing this game. (as i have played it many atime with my friends, except in real life)

I am very conservative. I have seen nothing scummy about any posts... yet, so i need a good convincing statement for me to sway me to vote (or even start to think that) that someone is scummy.

[Lauritz Melchior]

Lub

a

bah, are you having trouble with posting as well? I think I've got your name down now (=B

I am going to keep my vote on you for now. Based on what comes up I may change this vote.

This is the first game that I've played here, however, I find it to be rude and unsporting to day one lynch (or night kill) the same person in multiple games.

[Lauritz Melchior]

Lub

a

bah, are you having trouble with posting as well? I think I've got your name down now (=B

I am going to keep my vote on you for now. Based on what comes up I may change this vote.

This is the first game that I've played here, however, I find it to be rude and unsporting to day one lynch (or night kill) the same person in multiple games.

[BabyJesus]

I am

Hypnos, god of sleep

, I can put any player to "sleep" at night....kind of a roleblocker, I assume.
I took no action last night, as I did not want to risk putting a vision/protection type getting blocked.

This role claim seems a bit premature: I mean you're not near a lynch, so there was no need for it. Also, this really doesn't clear you since we can't really deduce your alignment from your name.

Many of her children, including Kronos, Atlas, and others, known as the Gaian Alliance, massacred the planet Earth

sounds to me like the BG's WILL have clear names, I have a feeling if the Bad Guys are going to roleclaim, they are going to have to fake a name of a god that is not playing.

This is a possibility, but there will be certainly more than two scum, so this argument doesn't work for the "others" (not Kronos and Atlas).

1 - Premature? maybe. If I were "valuable", as in cop/doc, I would not have come out like that. I think cop/docs are far more valuable then a "roleblocker". If I die it is no great loss, as it means more valuable roles are guaranteed an extra night to do their thing.
2 - Kronos, Atlas were Titans and enemies of the GODS. Sons/Daughters of Gaia and Uranus. I'm willing to bet ALL the BG's have names that fall in that category as well. CRONUS and RHEA, OCEANUS and TETHYS, HYPERION and THEA, IAPETUS and THEMIS, CRIUS and MNEMOSYNE, and COEUS and PHOEBE were all Titans. I'd bet most, if not all of our BG's are among that listing.[/quote]

[Yosarian2]

I have seen nothing scummy about any posts... yet, so i need a good convincing statement for me to sway me to vote (or even start to think that) that someone is scummy.

O....k....

You do realize that you *are* voting for someone, right?

[BabyJesus]

I have seen nothing scummy about any posts... yet, so i need a good convincing statement for me to sway me to vote (or even start to think that) that someone is scummy.

O....k....

You do realize that you *are* voting for someone, right?

If he would like to dispute my claim he is MORE then welcome to.....

[SapphireVerde]

I think I missed the Random voting thing. HI!!!!!!!

I'm gonna read the thread then post something.

I didn't realized it was open yet.

[Puzzle]

@ Baby Jesus :
- why did you distort what I was saying ?
- claiming so early is not necessary. If you are town, by doing so, you just reduced the circle of interesting targets for scums.
That said, we could confirm Baby Jesus as a role-blocker in due time, once we know another unimportant player. In this respect,

unvote Baby Jesus

.

Ok...first of all, Baby Jesus being lynched day 1 has become such a cliche that I tend to suspect anyone who looks like they're pushing for a quick BabyJ lynch on day 1; it just looks like scum trying to get an easy lynch. Espeacally when 3 votes on BabyJesus appear by page 2 for little reason, I really think that all three people on that bandwagon look a little scummy.

fos:Lubabah, fos:Fuldu, fos:Puzzle

. Lubabah looks a little scummy because of the odd timing on his "random" vote for Baby Jesus and his odd behavior in general with that, but that might just be him being a newbie.

More scummy looking, IMHO, are Fuldu and Puzzle. I get the impression that Fuldu and Puzzle are working together; Baby Jesus attacks Puzzle, so Fuldu votes Baby Jesus for "crap logic". It really wasn't crap logic, anyway; it was either a valid question or a simple misunderstanding, neither one of which is crap logic. Then Puzzle uses Fuldu's crap logic as an excuse to OMGUS vote Baby Jesus. The way they dropped a rapid second and third vote on Baby Jesus for such little reason makes it look like the two of them are hunting for an easy lynch target. I'm going to

Vote:Fuldu

, who looks like the more scummy of the two to me.

First of all, tell me please, dear Yosarian2, what you would think of me if I didn't react to the crap Baby Jesus just laid.

Now let's sum up how you see that Fuldu and I worked together :
- Baby Jesus attacks me (1).
- Fuldu votes Baby Jesus for crappy logic.
- you say that Baby Jesus's logic was not crap and was a valid question.
- I use Fuldu's crappy logic to justify my vote.

Now, let's come back to (1), please.
Here is what I said :

Game-wise, I don't have much to interpret but I think that some names are pretty clear by definition (Zeus, Gaia,...). I'm sure Zeus is in there, but I'm less about Gaia. I also don't think that we will have that many players with clear names though.

and here is Baby Jesus's answer :

I doubt that....I'm betting everyone has a name of some kind.

vote puzzle

, that sounds like trying to setup for a vague "I have no name" claim later from a bg.

He is stating that I said that some people would have no name and used an out-of-context sentence as back-up. In context, it is quite evident that I meant "names that clear them". It is also evident that everybody has a God name. See the dead listing on post #1 : the role of JereIC was Ouranos, not cop, doc or vigilante. His theory of me setting up a claim to have no name has no ground, except the twist on my words.
Finally, how close are a second or third vote from an "easy lynch" ? Let me help you : it's not even haf-way, on the contrary of what you say. If you feel that playing the random vote dance for weeks is more efficient than OMGUS votes, we are then definitely not working on the same wave length. If we are to lynch wrong on a day 1 (likely), I'd rather lose a townie with crappy logic or a tendency to twist words than a random one.
Using your logic, I could then say "OMG ! Baby Jesus and Yosarian2 are working together $§%& !!" and FOS you both. For now, I'll just quote somebody of whom you seem to share the logic :

you're an idiot

...

On second thoughts, I will :

vote Yosarian2

for stopping a starting bandwagon too early. Vote 1 was random. Vote 2 and vote 3 were OMGUS-type. You fully have the right to question people's motivations but more interesting votes could have come if you hadn't stopped it. There was no emergency to. Please explain why you didn't wait until vote 4 or 5.

[Yosarian2]

Now let's sum up how you see that Fuldu and I worked together :
- Baby Jesus attacks me (1).
- Fuldu votes Baby Jesus for crappy logic.
- you say that Baby Jesus's logic was not crap and was a valid question.
- I use Fuldu's crappy logic to justify my vote.

Yeah, that's a fair summery of it. Those four things do tend to make me think that you and Fuldu are working together "as a team". And now, you just voted for me right after I voted for Fuldu, which tends to back up my earlier observations about the two of you.

In context, it is quite evident that I meant "names that clear them".

It is not "quite evident" that that's what you meant; the first time I saw your post, I was under the impression as well that you were saying you don't have a name. Even so, it does sound like you're trying to hint that you don't have a name which would clear you, so when you later role-claim with a suspicious sounding name you can point back to your earlier post. So like I said, before:

It really wasn't crap logic, anyway; it was either a valid question or a simple misunderstanding, neither one of which is crap logic.

Either he misunderstood what you were trying to say, or he was making a valid speculation about your post. Neither of those qualify as "crap logic".


[quote="puzzle"It is also evident that everybody has a God name.[/quote]

Which is why when I read your post and it sounded like you were saying that some people might not have names, it seemed really odd.

Finally, how close are a second or third vote from an "easy lynch" ? Let me help you : it's not even haf-way, on the contrary of what you say.

There are 11 living people in the game. Therefore, it takes 6 people to lynch. Therefore, of course a third vote is half way to a lynch. What the heck are you talking about? Why are you trying to make it sound like I am lying, when I'm just stating self-evident facts?

If you feel that playing the random vote dance for weeks is more efficient than OMGUS votes, we are then definitely not working on the same wave length.

Again, what the heck are you talking about? I didn't even random vote at all, and I don't want to "play the random vote dance for weeks", I want to look at behavior and vote for a person who looks scummy, which I just did. I do think that reflexive OMGUS votes are scummy, as they're a sign that someone is overly defensive. And the fact that you changed your vote to me as soon as I FOS'd you makes you look even more defensive.

On second thoughts, I will : vote Yosarian2 for stopping a starting bandwagon too early. Vote 1 was random. Vote 2 and vote 3 were OMGUS-type. You fully have the right to question people's motivations but more interesting votes could have come if you hadn't stopped it. There was no emergency to. Please explain why you didn't wait until vote 4 or 5.

What do you mean by "stopping a starting bandwagon too early"? Are you trying to say that a person should never disagree with a bandwagon until the bandwagon gets to 5 votes? That makes no sense at all. If you really think that's a good strategy, then why are you disagreeing with the Fuldu bandwagon when there are only 3 votes on him?

Your logic here is complete crap logic. It sounds like you are saying that a good guy should never even mention it when a bandwagon springs up on someone for no reason, and they should let the bandwagon go until it gets all the way to one vote short lynch before they point out the obvious logical flaws in the bandwagon.

In any case, my goal here has not been to defend Baby Jesus or "stop the bandwagon" at all. It's still quite possible he's scum, although his recent role-claim makes that a little less likely. My goal was to both point out the use of what looks like scum tactics on the part of you and Fuldu, and to try to get a reaction. It looks like I succeeded on both parts.

It's also interesting that you discribe "vote 2 and 3 as OMGUS type". Your vote was an OMGUS vote; and it's very interesting that you now admit that it was a OMGUS vote when just a couple of lines ago you tried to say that it was a vote based on logic. You are contradicting yourself. Even more interesting is how you discrube Fuldu's vote as an "OMGUS" vote. Did Fuldu OMGUS vote Baby Jesus because Baby Jesus voted for you? Interesting...

If we are to lynch wrong on a day 1 (likely), I'd rather lose a townie with crappy logic or a tendency to twist words than a random one.

And that is exactly the reason that I think that either you or Fuldu would be a good day 1 bandwagon at the moment.

[Lauritz Melchior]

In context, it is quite evident that I meant "names that clear them".

It is not "quite evident" that that's what you meant; the first time I saw your post, I was under the impression as well that you were saying you don't have a name

To be perfectly honest, I read "names that clear them" as "names that would logically make one seem innocent or guilty".

For instance, if somebody role-claims as Hades, I will automatically be prejudiced against them simply based on negative connotations with the name.

I agree with most of your points in Post 44. I do find the nit-picking over that one quote to be excessive.

Right now I am tempted to change my vote to Fuldu.

[Lauritz Melchior]

In context, it is quite evident that I meant "names that clear them".

It is not "quite evident" that that's what you meant; the first time I saw your post, I was under the impression as well that you were saying you don't have a name

To be perfectly honest, I read "names that clear them" as "names that would logically make one seem innocent or guilty".

For instance, if somebody role-claims as Hades, I will automatically be prejudiced against them simply based on negative connotations with the name.

I agree with most of your points in Post 44. I do find the nit-picking over that one quote to be excessive.

Right now I am tempted to change my vote to Fuldu.

[Lauritz Melchior]

How does one quote a specific person on this board?

[Lubabah]

I have seen nothing scummy about any posts... yet, so i need a good convincing statement for me to sway me to vote (or even start to think that) that someone is scummy.

O....k....

You do realize that you *are* voting for someone, right?

It was a random vote. To start things off.

[Lubabah]

(sorry for not including this in the last post)

But yes, i am having severe problems with posting.