Posted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 7:47 am
@Smudger
Garmer is a dog that guards the underworld in norse mythology. The picture in my profile is Garmr, he is said to be stained in the blood of the dead.
https://forum.mafiascum-staging.net/
The fuck they are.
Not if they're fakeclaiming miller as a gambit, obviously. If they weren't going to immediately claim, they wouldn't bother. Brian has made it clear that he understands it's protown to claim immediately as miller, so the votes on him are coincidental in that regard.In post 33, notscience wrote:Scum fakeclaims usually come with increased pressure.
That game has no conclusion. What happened? Was it eaten by tigers?
It seems like a dumb gambit to me considering nothing should give me the confidence that says I'd get away with it.In post 36, fferyllt wrote:Brian is a fairly new player. You think he'd enter an MS game with a gambit?
As town, the gain is to town more than to you personally. Investigative and protective roles can put you aside as a target. The main thing a miller gains IMO is a sense of liberty from concerns about being lynched. Lynch may happen, but it will be because of the miller's role more than because of their play. Taking that concern off the table leaves time and energy for finding scum, finding town, developing reads, etc.In post 43, Brian Skies wrote:It seems like a dumb gambit to me considering nothing should give me the confidence that says I'd get away with it.In post 36, fferyllt wrote:Brian is a fairly new player. You think he'd enter an MS game with a gambit?
But considering that I have already stated I expect the town to kill me at some point in this game (most likely pretty damn early), then do you think I would have more to gain as town or as scum?
CrashTextDummie in TV U-Pick mafia wrote:D1 miller claims should always be scrutinized. Statistically, a miller claim is far more likely to come from scum since the "power" they are claiming, coming up guilty upon investigation, is present in the majority of scum roles whereas millers only appear in a fraction of games. Sitewide meta on how to handle miller claims fluctuates over time. Judging by this game, where no one is batting an eye at someone going "hey, I come up guilty when investigated, problem?", a lot more scum are going to claim miller in the near future across all games.
CrashTextDummie in TV U-Pick mafia wrote:Claiming miller is not null. Claiming miller is admitting to a role characteristic that the vast majority of scum roles possesses. Claiming miller also doesn't just have merits as a scum gambit if it instantly makes you look town, the entire point of claiming miller as scum is to sidestep and invalidate the cop role.
I don't think claiming miller on D1 is even optimal pro-town play, but this is up to debate.
Brian's alleged town motive is even weaker than Ghostwriter's was in that game:CrashTextDummie in TV U-Pick mafia wrote:I know for a fact that this game has several scum roles that would come up as guilty upon a cop investigation (this game was not announced to be bastard). I do not know for a fact that this game features a miller. To suggest that a claim should simply be discarded as if it never happened is completely ludicrous, as claiming is about the most extreme act a player can take in a game of mafia, and one that is always dictated by intent and motive (i.e. the bread and butter of scumhunting).
Your alleged town motive is weak. A cop investigation can be avoided by playing to the town win condition during the day. Your scum motive is strong. There's only one way to avoid death in the long run upon being cop investigated as scum: by establishing a miller claim.
I strongly question whether this is the truth, because the wiki states no such thing. Claiming on D1 is not presented as the "safer" route , it's presented as one of two comparable schools of thought.In post 18, Brian Skies wrote:I wiki'ed my role and it says the safer route is to outright claim and prevent a wasted investigative report at the cost of my own life.
Wording of the underlined is way off, considering he himself has established the benefit of claiming early as town, and it's not to himself.In post 43, Brian Skies wrote:But considering that I have already stated I expect the town to kill me at some point in this game (most likely pretty damn early), thendo you think I would have more to gain as town or as scum?
I seem to have misread it. I could have sworn there was some mention of it being safer. I guess I was wrong. *shrugsIn post 45, CrashTextDummie wrote:I strongly question whether this is the truth, because the wiki states no such thing. Claiming on D1 is not presented as the "safer" route , it's presented as one of two comparable schools of thought.
I don't see a problem with the wording. It's written as intended.In post 45, CrashTextDummie wrote:Wording of the underlined is way off, considering he himself has established the benefit of claiming early as town, and it's not to himself.In post 43, Brian Skies wrote:But considering that I have already stated I expect the town to kill me at some point in this game (most likely pretty damn early), thendo you think I would have more to gain as town or as scum?