Mini 83-Civil War Mafia

[Cadmium]

Unvote: Dasquian
Vote: Spoon

Seems like the obvious choice.

[Dasquian]

Vote Count:
Yoko Kurama(MeMe) 1
Spoon(Yoko Kurama) 1
MeMe(Dasquian) 1
Cadmium(Corsato) 1
VraakX(Gammie) 1
Dementia Blader(BlueSin) 1
Dasquian(Cadmium) 1
Gammie(Quagmire) 1

I honestly don't see the point of "random" voting when they're patently not random, and anyone who dares to put a second vote on early gets their head bitten off Ah well.

unvote MeMe, vote Spoon

, for being a slowcoach. We don't want to lynch Mojo's sibling, but I'd have thought they'd be making themselves a more obvious target. But then I just get myself wound up in thinking through a reverse-psychology loop

[MeMe]

I took a replacement so I think??????????

No - it's one of each type, regardless of how you get into the game. The mod's supposed to alert me when a replacement occurs (which she didn't). Don't worry about it this time, but those are the standard rules.

[Corsato]

We don't want to lynch Mojo's sibling, but I'd have thought they'd be making themselves a more obvious target.

If someone would confess being scum, he probably would be lynched considering the sibling-situation. But I agree, lynching the sibbling is NOT a good idea.

[Dementia Blader]

Indeed, but it's better than lynching an innocent.

[BlueSin]

can someone clear this siblings thing up for me?

[Yoko Kurama]

I think a sibling scenario is basically two players one of which is mafia. When they are given their roles they are told they are siblings and if one of the siblings dies then the sibling still alive will commit suicide. So since the mafia lynched that sibling last night then one of the mafia will commit suicide tonight.

Right know they are talking about how it would sorta suck to kill the other sibling when we already have him dieing tonight. Then someone said better to kill that sibling then a townie.

Does that clear things up I'm pretty sure I'm correct if not then sorry someone correct me.

[BlueSin]

well , thanks for the explanation

[Dasquian]

I know this is going to make me sound rather scummy, but I think it'd actually be better to lynch a townie than the sibling. At least that way we get some info on vote patterns, and the chance of nailing another mafia. If we bandwagon the sibling, then we'll pretty much have to disregard the voting tomorrow since the mafia all know s/he's a lost cause anyway. That's less information than a "no lynch" bandwagon, in fact!

That's not to say I want to kill off a townie; but we should be going for someone who's not the sibling and is suspicious, which is gonna be hard and carry all the usual day 1 lynch risks

[Vraak X]

I don't get it.. if this was the standard sibling scenario, then why would the mafia cast a death sentence for themselves? By having the sibling killed off, the Confederate sibling has to erk himself/herself off too.. Sorta weird, dontcha'll think?

[Dasquian]

Hmm... good point. A few possible explanations:

1) The rest of the mafia ignored the sibling mafia, despite their protestations. Unlikely, IMO.
2) The mafia sacrificed the sibling mafia by knocking off Mojo, but intended to use the sibling mafia to draw fire and help build trust the next day. Unlikely and fairly wasteful IMO, also it doesn't seem to be working
3) The sibling mafia wasn't allowed to tell his mafia buddies of their state, and despite encouraging them to leave Mojo alive they decided to kill him. Possible, but again reasonably unlikely.
4) Mojo's sibling status doesn't actually mean much at all, or the mafia horribly misunderstood it and just saw him as a liability. Can't really make any sort of useful guess on this one.
5) We have a SK - they killed Mojo, and the Confederate kill got blocked.

I'm tending towards the end of the list. I can't see any sane mafia ploy that starts with guaranteeing the death of one of your guys so soon for so little

[MeMe]

Another thought, stemming from the possibility that this

isn't

the standard sibling scenario: Perhaps it was just that Mojo & his brother knew each other's identity -- no suicide pact involved -- and he was killed as a liability. I was also thinking that maybe they were a kind of a split mason group, able to talk (or send letters) at night...perhaps with their own secondary win criteria of both being alive at the end?

But if this is standard, I agree with Dasquian that an SK hit makes more sense than anything else.

[Dementia Blader]

The mafia might lynch there doomed sibling if they don't believe they can get townie dead.

[Yoko Kurama]

Ok we are talking strategies like we know something. Who cares. When the time comes that all these strategies being thought up might be coming into play then we might mention them. We seem to be off track here.

[Vraak X]

Unvote: Gammie

Vote: Yoko Kurama

I'm sorry, that previous statement just seemed plain SCUMMY to me.

[Dementia Blader]

Vraak, Yoko doesn't seem scummy to me. He's just telling us to "get on with the game" so to speak

[Vraak X]

I don't think so, maybe Confederate too impatient to wait for nightfall?

[MeMe]

He's just telling us to "get on with the game" so to speak

Or he's steering us away from a topic he doesn't want us to discuss, for some reason. Regardless, something that would help us "get on with it" would be for Spoon to post.

We know that Spoon was the confirmation we were waiting for. That says that he was probably online in the day before (or the day

of

) the game start. So, he's aware the game has begun, but still hasn't bothered to post. He either needs to be replaced or lynched.

[Dasquian]

Hmm, a quick review of the thread and both of Vraak X and Yoko are acting, IMO, a little oddly. Yoko was eager to vote for Spoon early, but perhaps this was just a reaction to him holding up the game - while Vraak X seems to have had it in for Yoko a bit.

This could be nothing, but I'm currently wondering if Yoko is the sibling and whether either or both are scum. Whatever, I'm happy keeping my vote on Spoon for the time being.

[MeMe]

I'm currently wondering if Yoko is the sibling

This is exactly where my thoughts were going.

[Vraak X]

I don't know. I don't like being encouraged to hurry up, especially on the first day to take my precious time.

[Yoko Kurama]

I'm not saying hurry up I just meant that we were discussing things that may or may not happen in the future there is no way we will find out who the sibling is unless they say so. So why discuss what we have no control over it. I do not like lynching spoon because we know nothing about them and they haven't defended themselves.

I suggest he get replaced before we lynch him off.

[MeMe]

I do not like lynching spoon because we know nothing about them and they haven't defended themselves.

I suggest he get replaced before we lynch him off.

Wouldn't it make sense for you to...um...I don't know...maybe

remove your vote

from Spoon? What sense does it make to say "I don't want him lynched" while parking your vote on him?

Since there's no action backing up your words...

FOS: Yoko

[Yoko Kurama]

Spoon has 4 votes. If he gets 5 I'll unvote but if the mod doesn't replace then I'll be willing to lynch. No need for unvote then revote.

[BlueSin]

i will be holding my vote against spoon since yoko is ready to unvote to prevet lynching an inactive. seeking a replacement is a good idea.