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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 4:27 am

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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I can't see the relevance of the question, which is why I ask. I also think that you can already guess the answer in the first place, because if I would be scum I would lie about it anyway.[/quote]If you think i already know the answer, why not answer anyway?

Saves us all this bother.
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:24 am

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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I can't see the relevance of the question, which is why I ask. I also think that you can already guess the answer in the first place, because if I would be scum I would lie about it anyway.[/quote]

Don't dodge the question.

And, no, you wouldn't lie about it regardless of alignment.
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:44 am

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I'm not dodging the question. I'm wondering why the question is relevant to the game in the first place. And yes, I would lie about it if I was scum and it made me look better or put me in a better position in the game. That's pretty obvious in my eyes.

So yeah, explain to me why you want to know it. If i'd tell you the truth about it, you'd still have to trust my words, who could be both from a townie or scum. So yeah, i'm curious (and no, this no dodging the question. I want to know what's the relevance of knowing).
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:06 am

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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]I'm not dodging the question. I'm wondering why the question is relevant to the game in the first place.
And yes, I would lie about it if I was scum and it made me look better or put me in a better position in the game. That's pretty obvious in my eyes.


So yeah, explain to me why you want to know it. If i'd tell you the truth about it, you'd still have to trust my words, who could be both from a townie or scum. So yeah, i'm curious (and no, this no dodging the question. I want to know what's the relevance of knowing).[/quote]If I explain what I'm looking for, then you'll give me it, regardless of whether it was the natural answer. As scum you will always give it, and as town you will be encouraged to give it, even if it isn't actually your opinion. The second is obiviously not constructive.

The bolded part can be considered the reason for this. Basically, I was putting you in a situation where I thought you would lie as scum and tell the truth as town. Then, if you lied, or showed an attitude I thought dishonest, I would use this to lead to a further attack. If you said something in line with the truth, however, I wouldn't attack. You also seem to be under the assumption that I won't check to see how your style match up with those in games which have ended with you as pro-town.

Not that the question was really that important at all, though.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:14 am

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Actually, I'd say this question does nothing, but lead to some WIFOM, as if you were trying to trap him. = / Some traps are ok, but I think this one is more likely to catch a nervous townie.

If I get this correct you asked him a question that he would use the same answer regardless.
You then would look and see if he was being dishonest?
Based on the honesty of it, you would then make a case...

Of course..... how would you tell he was lying? What kind of attitude would you consider dishonest? I'm not sure how you were trying to go about this, as I am confused.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 7:16 am

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If I explain what I'm looking for, then you'll give me it, regardless of whether it was the natural answer. As scum you will always give it, and as town you will be encouraged to give it, even if it isn't actually your opinion. The second is obiviously not constructive.

The bolded part can be considered the reason for this. Basically, I was putting you in a situation where I thought you would lie as scum and tell the truth as town. Then, if you lied, or showed an attitude I thought dishonest, I would use this to lead to a further attack. If you said something in line with the truth, however, I wouldn't attack.
You also seem to be under the assumption that I won't check to see how your style match up with those in games which have ended with you as pro-town.
Alright, I understand (I was expecting this answer though, although I'd like to hear it from you instead of me saying it). The problem with the bolded part is that I actaully haven't finished a game on 'scum so far.

So, you still want an answer on your question or not? :P
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:21 am

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[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"][quote]If I explain what I'm looking for, then you'll give me it, regardless of whether it was the natural answer. As scum you will always give it, and as town you will be encouraged to give it, even if it isn't actually your opinion. The second is obiviously not constructive.

The bolded part can be considered the reason for this. Basically, I was putting you in a situation where I thought you would lie as scum and tell the truth as town. Then, if you lied, or showed an attitude I thought dishonest, I would use this to lead to a further attack. If you said something in line with the truth, however, I wouldn't attack.
You also seem to be under the assumption that I won't check to see how your style match up with those in games which have ended with you as pro-town.
[/quote]Alright, I understand
(I was expecting this answer though, although I'd like to hear it from you instead of me saying it)
. The problem with the bolded part is that I actaully haven't finished a game on 'scum so far.

So, you still want an answer on your question or not? :P[/quote]bold: That's exaclty what I wanted from you. See how much
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And TBH, I don't really care anymore. It was such a minor point to begin with that it's actually fairly annoying that it was blown up the way it was. And you know perfectly well that I play a little on the WOTC boards, so saying that you have no completed games on 'scum doesn't really matter to me.
I could even bring up Planet Mafia :sneaky:


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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:22 am

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I find it strange that ppl would assume Scope would give a difference answer depending on his alignment. Or at least I did find it strange, until he said he hasn't finished a game here, which would make it pretty hard to check whether he was lying or not. But generally I think if someone asked me a question about my playstyle, I would answer honestly regardless of alignment. I did not particularly see the question as a trap.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:57 am

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1. What was the super small text = D
2.Would you correct me please?
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 9:07 am

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IH wrote:1. What was the super small text = D
2.Would you correct me please?
1)Copy + Paste is your friend.

2) I wouldn't be able to tell if he was lying. This is page 2, what do you expect? If it could get us on the right path, then go for it though. It didn't. Now we just move on and find something else.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:26 pm

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Hmm. The Primate/Scope discussion didn't do much for me either way.
KScope wrote:So, you still want an answer on your question or not?
I actually would like the answer, even though your previous posts seem to answer it well enough. It would have been more than possible, however, for you to have responded along the lines of:
Hypothetical KScope Response wrote:I am actually more aggressive as scum, but I decided to change up my playstyle for this game.
And of course, "aggressiveness" is still debatable (I wouldn't consider changing a random vote on Page One of the game overly 'aggressive', for example). I disagree that 'we would know the answer either way', in other words.
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:03 pm

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I’m not picking anything up on Primate or KaleiÐoscøpe either. I don’t think that his previous posts answer the question well enough, however, and would appreciate a straight answer (though I agree that the value of such an answer is questionable).

Also, a Primate wagon has seemingly silently developed. Is there any reason for its existence?
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 6:32 pm

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well, its more of Pod must be scum thing. IH however is always scum, and is a good wagon too. I dont think there is much that we will learn from the pod/Scope thing. Maybe later it will come back in, but right now it seems like there is not much to gain.
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 8:11 pm

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[quote="Primate"][quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Alright, I understand
(I was expecting this answer though, although I'd like to hear it from you instead of me saying it)
. The problem with the bolded part is that I actaully haven't finished a game on 'scum so far.

So, you still want an answer on your question or not? :P[/quote]bold: That's exaclty what I wanted from you. See how much
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And TBH, I don't really care anymore. It was such a minor point to begin with that it's actually fairly annoying that it was blown up the way it was. And you know perfectly well that I play a little on the WOTC boards, so saying that you have no completed games on 'scum doesn't really matter to me.
I could even bring up Planet Mafia :sneaky:


@IH: You do not have it correct.[/quote]I don't answer I do not see the meaning of, as in game related. Also, I thought this might've been a nice start to actually get the game going a bit, although the point might've seen a little flawed.
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[quote="PJ"]I actually would like the answer, even though your previous posts seem to answer it well enough. It would have been more than possible, however, for you to have responded along the lines of:
[quote]I am actually more aggressive as scum, but I decided to change up my playstyle for this game. [/quote]
And of course, "aggressiveness" is still debatable (I wouldn't consider changing a random vote on Page One of the game overly 'aggressive', for example). I disagree that 'we would know the answer either way', in other words.[/quote]To be honest (oooh, here we go :roll: ), I'm usually a player who's activity and agressiveness switches depending on my mood. As both town and scum, i'd like to take risks which sometimes do not turn out for my own team, but sometimes make me win some games. The reason I thought the answer was expectable for him is because I knew he's been on the WOTC-boards, thus he could check out himself easily instead of asking me.

[quote="Patrick"]I did not particularly see the question as a trap.[/quote]Paranoia is my best friend >.>'
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:51 pm

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Patrick wrote:I find it strange that ppl would assume Scope would give a difference answer depending on his alignment. Or at least I did find it strange, until he said he hasn't finished a game here, which would make it pretty hard to check whether he was lying or not. But generally I think if someone asked me a question about my playstyle, I would answer honestly regardless of alignment. I did not particularly see the question as a trap.
I agree 100% about the answer being the same regardless of alignment. Which is why I said the same thing earlier =). If I was scum and someone asked me my tendencies I would answer honestly because they can just go and look up my past games.
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:54 pm

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Paper wrote:I’m not picking anything up on Primate or KaleiÐoscøpe either. I don’t think that his previous posts answer the question well enough, however, and would appreciate a straight answer (though I agree that the value of such an answer is questionable).

Also, a Primate wagon has seemingly silently developed. Is there any reason for its existence?
I don't think there is anything to gather from the Pod/KScope thing except that KScope is pretty inexperienced.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:03 pm

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Yeah, i've played more then 75 games so far, and i'm still inexperienced. :roll:
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:56 am

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Where I come from, text that size is a modkillable offense.

Please stop being idiots.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:16 am

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Maz Medias wrote:Where I come from, text that size is a modkillable offense.

Please stop being idiots.
Guess you better lynch me for trying to send covert messages to my scumbuddy then.
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2007 4:34 am

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Primate wrote:
Maz Medias wrote:Where I come from, text that size is a modkillable offense.

Please stop being idiots.
Guess you better lynch me for trying to send covert messages to my scumbuddy then.
Unvote, Vote: Primate


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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2007 6:44 am

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So, Primate, what massively important information have you gotten from that exchange?

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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2007 7:21 am

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Fisticuffs at dawn then Maz. Do you accept?

@Simenon: Should I have gotten something?
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2007 9:35 am

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Maz Medias wrote:
Primate wrote:
Maz Medias wrote:Where I come from, text that size is a modkillable offense.

Please stop being idiots.
Guess you better lynch me for trying to send covert messages to my scumbuddy then.
Unvote, Vote: Primate


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Is this in jest, or are you serious about the vote? If you are serious, please explain why.
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:25 pm

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PlaysWithSquirrels wrote:
Maz Medias wrote:
Primate wrote:
Maz Medias wrote:Where I come from, text that size is a modkillable offense.

Please stop being idiots.
Guess you better lynch me for trying to send covert messages to my scumbuddy then.
Unvote, Vote: Primate


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Is this in jest, or are you serious about the vote? If you are serious, please explain why.
Are joo stupid 'er somethin'? O'course I'm just fuggin' aroun' wiff 'im.
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Tue Jan 02, 2007 8:16 pm

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Question: do you usually talk like that (as in, writing like that)? 0_o
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