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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 6:39 am

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foobardog: 1 (ubertimmy)
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It will take 6 votes to lynch!
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:21 am

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Other people with access to Calvin's bed:
His mother
His Father
Hobbes
His imaginary friends

Of those four, only his imaginary friends would *Want* to put broccolli under Calvin's bed. So what's your point?
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 8:23 am

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foobardog - Why would a vote be quasi-random before I had even said hello in the game??? It's either random or it's with intention at this point in the game.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:14 am

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Skruffs wrote:foobardog - Why would a vote be quasi-random before I had even said hello in the game??? It's either random or it's with intention at this point in the game.
It's quasi-random, because yes, I had a reason (well, two reasons), but it wasn't a clincher, so I just figured to go with it.

My first reason is that I doubted the veracity of your role name. Like Safari Al, I'm drawing a blank on where it could be from. That is, I don't remember a
specific
strip or series with broccoli being refered to as toxic waste. It was a common thread that his mother's food was horrible, but I don't remember broccoli getting called out in particular. (I remember spider legs, though!)

But, that's a really weak way to vote, since I do know that unexpected roles aren't uncommon.

My second reason for picking you over anyone else was that I didn't just want to spread another vote around so we had one vote on everyone, I wanted to put a little pressure on
someone
.

So to sum up, it's quasi-random because there are no real clincher reasons to vote for you, but I came up with a couple, and went with it. I just wanted to make it clear (and perhaps I failed) that I wasn't set on this vote. And perhaps I'm doing something right since Calvin approves of me. Heck, this could lead to me getting my F-14! I'll keep it where it is for now.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:00 am

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Thanks foobardog; your explanation is succinct. :D
"Quasi-" is a term I've been questioned for using myself, in other games. I had to be the one to peg you for it. :D


I'm pretty sure we can post image files, ourselves, right?
I have pictures of myself in action.
No, not that kind of action. This is a comic strip.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:30 am

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Skruffs, please clarify as to whether or not you think your role-name of Toxic Waste (aka Broccoli)
actually
makes you less likely to be scum. And in conjuction with that, clarify whether or not you think
any
of the role-names make
anybody
more or less likely to be scum.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:57 am

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I have no idea. I'm presuming there's no way of knowing, but I've never been in a Stoofer game before. When I replied, it was light heartened, with the assumption that our names Don't mean anything, but that if people want to pretend they are, I will defend myself in that context. :)

Curious why you askign that of a person responding to those kind of allegations rather than the people making them, though. :wink:
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:03 am

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Because your response seemed more serious than necessary for what I considered to be a random vote.

From the reading of the flavor (which I certainly
hope
is not intentionally misleading... *shakes fist at Stoofer*),
any
character or item in this game could be a Monster-scum. As such, I personally doubt role-names are in any way indicative of whether or not somebody is scum.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:17 am

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That makes sense.
Which is odd considering it's coming from a snowman.
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:43 am

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I didn't notice ubertimmy was in the game.
unvote, vote ubertimmy
as per my comments at the end of Evolution Mafia.

Calvin's approval rating on the previous page seems roughly connected to posting rate.

For what it's worth, I don't actually think that we'll be able to use names to determine who is scum. This is specifically a Stoofer-mod meta; given his reaction to how Space Monkey turned out (with town relying mostly on cops and flavor issues and generally lurking), I think Stoofer wants us to spend more time hunting for scummy behavior.

Also
FOS PJ
for feeling the need to provide an immediate analysis of the King of Mud's death.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:59 am

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Thok wrote:Also
FOS PJ
for feeling the need to provide an immediate analysis of the King of Mud's death.
Oh? Do you disagree with my "analysis"? Do you think I should have just not said anything? Is there a time and a place I should be saving for such discussion?

So far as I'm concerned, that's the only concrete piece of information everybody in the town shares, and I saw no point in not mentioning my immediate thoughts on that information.
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:02 pm

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EmpTyger wrote:PBuG:
Why did you ask whether ubertimmy’s initial vote was random?
You mean milkman? Because his vote didn't appear random when I looked at it.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 12:03 pm

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Skruffs wrote:I'm pretty sure we can post image files, ourselves, right?
I have pictures of myself in action.
No, not that kind of action. This is a comic strip.
Aw, I forgot that one. Though, it never
says
that it is broccoli. That green stuff may well be spinach, just as nasty as broccoli if not nastier!

But yes, I don't think names are going to be the way to go here, especially since we've been told there may be imposters. Someone's name might as well be Horrible Gelatinous Beast, but we just currently know them as the Transmogorfier.

But then again, without being able to claim/hint, names are much of what we have to go on so far...

But I did want to test something.

I hereby declare that animated smilies land people in the I'm-sorry zone, where they need to sing the I'm-sorry song (or a reasonable facsimle thereof). Particularly good renditions get you a free wicket, as long as the letter for that wicket appears in your character name.
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 1:45 pm

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And now that I think on it:

Q:
Thok, do you actually plan on pursuing Ubertimmy on a policy lynch?

->
Y
If you answered yes, do you expect anybody to follow you?

->
N
If you answered no, why did you bother voting him on an
out-of-game
reason when you could have been voting for
me
for your expressed
in-game
suspicion you expressed in the same post?
"Logic? I call that flapdoodle."
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:17 pm

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petroleumjelly:

Earlier, I wrote:
petroleumjelly wrote: There's a difference between
having
experience and being
perceived
as having experience - and there's a further difference between being perceived as having experience, and being perceived as being somebody to be 'reckoned with'. People (myself included) tend to categorize other players into groups -
if I were a third party looking into this playlist, the people I would be most 'afraid' of would be myself, Thok, and EmpTyger being part of an opposite faction.
Really, you wouldn't put AniX on that list?
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:19 pm

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No. AniX is a lurker, and often does not give reasoning for things he does. No reason to be more 'afraid' of him than the average player.
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:27 pm

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Does that mean I'm more fearsome than the average player? :D
That's why you are voting me, right?
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 9:30 pm

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petroleumjelly wrote:From the reading of the flavor <snip>,
any
character or item in this game could be a Monster-scum. As such, I personally doubt role-names are in any way indicative of whether or not somebody is scum.
Thok wrote:For what it's worth, I don't actually think that we'll be able to use names to determine who is scum. This is specifically a Stoofer-mod meta; given his reaction to how Space Monkey turned out (with town relying mostly on cops and flavor issues and generally lurking), I think Stoofer wants us to spend more time hunting for scummy behavior.
foobardog wrote:But yes, I don't think names are going to be the way to go here, especially since we've been told there may be imposters. Someone's name might as well be Horrible Gelatinous Beast, but we just currently know them as the Transmogorfier.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:32 pm

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VitaminR has replaced AniX
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Wed Mar 28, 2007 11:34 pm

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Vote: foobardog


For casting a vote and then weakening it to the point of uselessness.
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:21 am

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(
Unvote: VitaminR
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Thok:
I don’t have time to look into Evolution Mafia in depth; is it basically that ubertimmy chose kingmaking a draw over a win?


PBuG:
PBuG [36] wrote:
EmpTyger wrote:PBuG:
Why did you ask whether ubertimmy’s initial vote was random?
You mean milkman? Because his vote didn't appear random when I looked at it.
Bah, Freudian slip. Yeah, I meant milkman- intending to follow-up by asking why you weren’t asking about whether ubertimmy’s vote was random.


Skruffs:
Skruffs [26] wrote:Other people with access to Calvin's bed:
His mother
His Father
Hobbes
His imaginary friends

Of those four, only his imaginary friends would *Want* to put broccolli under Calvin's bed. So what's your point?
My point is that you’ve assumed that *anyone* is wanting to put things under Calvin’s bed. This doesn’t seem a reasonable conclusion to be drawn solely from what has been seen. It seems rather that you know something else about the flavor behind the monsters.
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Thu Mar 29, 2007 1:39 am

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EmpTyger wrote:M-M:
Machiavellian-Mafia [13] wrote:Definitely good advice, I just noticed the new no claiming rule.<snip>
There are *2* new rules: (5) about claims and (16) about deadlines. Why did you only refer to 1 of them?
When I looked at the opening posts before my first post I had already noticed the deadline rule there. It was when I looked at the OP again after taking PJ's advice that I noticed the no claiming rule.

petroleumjelly wrote:
M-M wrote:Also PJ isn't everyone here pretty experienced except foo?
Fie, I can already see where
this
is headed - so I will preempt that by saying this is not meant to sound elitist. In any case:

There's a difference between
having
experience and being
perceived
as having experience - and there's a further difference between being perceived as having experience, and being perceived as being somebody to be 'reckoned with'. People (myself included) tend to categorize other players into groups - if I were a third party looking into this playlist, the people I would be most 'afraid' of would be myself, Thok, and EmpTyger being part of an opposite faction.

The fact that none of the three of us died slightly suggests that it may be because one (or more) of that grouping (from my perspective, EmpTyger and/or Thok) are scum, who did not want to dispose of another in that group
too
early since it would necessarily draw attention to those in that group still alive.
That clears it up for me PJ :wink:


On another note, I don't think flavor speculation this early in the game will help us at all, so Skruffs why did you use flavor speculation to defend yourself?

Thok wrote:I didn't notice ubertimmy was in the game. unvote, vote ubertimmy as per my comments at the end of Evolution Mafia.
Do you think it's right to let what happened in one game have a large effect on how you play with another person in another game? I personally think it's not because the negative possibilities of that kind of play far outweigh the positives. (e.g. townie wanting to lynch another townie, scum taking advantage of going after townie)
The end justifies the means.
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:04 am

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MM - Why? Page one jollies, is why. Two quasi-random votes, and a silly response. Showing I'm here, playing the game, etc.

EmpTyger - you make a good point about nobody having any reason to put me under the bed. It's basically the same point I made. So why are you voting me for it? I'm
saying
nobody put me under the bed. Nobody
would
d put me under the bed, because my place belongs on the table. Reread it, and look at what I'm saying. :)

Unvote


I like VitaminR's first post, a lot.
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:24 am

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VitaminR votes me and wrote:For casting a vote and then weakening it to the point of uselessness.
It was a weak vote to begin with. I feel like I had said so in the first post, just not in very many words, and perhaps unclearly. It was a pressure vote for bad reasons. Were this a smaller game, I wouldn't have voted, but with 6 to lynch I thought that it would be a reasonable amount of pressure.
Machiavellian-Mafia wrote:On another note, I don't think flavor speculation this early in the game will help us at all, so Skruffs why did you use flavor speculation to defend yourself?
To be fair, I used flavor speculation to attack him, mainly, that I didn't remember the reference his role name was making. His response was to explain the reference, and then say why his reference was not a likely monster-scum candidate.

Though, you are right that the explanation on why he was not monster-scum seems maybe a bit unwarranted. Hmmm...
EmpTyger wrote:My point is that you’ve assumed that *anyone* is wanting to put things under Calvin’s bed. This doesn’t seem a reasonable conclusion to be drawn solely from what has been seen.
On one hand, we know that the baddies are under the bed, so saying why you're not under the bed would make flavor sense. However, with impostors likely, defending yourself as not being under the bed is perhaps not worth the time, since you could just be lying anyway.

It does strike me as a bit odd. And this might be transferred OMGUS, but I don't like the fact that Skruffs liked VitaminR's post, since I thought it was a bit weak.[/quote]
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:43 am

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foobardog wrote:
VitaminR votes me and wrote:For casting a vote and then weakening it to the point of uselessness.
It was a weak vote to begin with. I feel like I had said so in the first post, just not in very many words, and perhaps unclearly. It was a pressure vote for bad reasons. Were this a smaller game, I wouldn't have voted, but with 6 to lynch I thought that it would be a reasonable amount of pressure.
Oh, I know you said it in the first post. That doesn't make it any better. I'm voting you for going:

"
Vote: Skruffs


Disclaimer: I don't actually have any basis for this vote, so don't worry about it, Skruffs.

(In fact, don't even respond to it. I'll just sit here and you can play the game. Remember, I'm not here. I barely voted. To be perfectly honest, I don't even know why it shows up in the vote counts!)"

Unfairly exaggerated, of course, but you get my drift.
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