#434: Communiqu├® Mafia - Done. No -- seriously.


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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:38 am

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Phoebus
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ChannelDelibird, Mr Stoofer, Miztef

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muse, Phoebus

Eyceking
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Patrick

blahgo
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Simenon

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blahgo


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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:50 am

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regarding Lee's death:

It turns out Lee won the scummie award for best mafia catcher in 2005 (for those that don't know) and this could be the reason (at least partially) that he was NKed.

Just thought I'd throw that tidbit of info out there.

2005 scummies

(btw, it would be nice to know how to link to a wiki without using the actual title, if anyone could enlighten me ) :)
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:22 am

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unvote: stoofer ; vote: Miztef
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:26 am

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Can't argue with that. I didn't like posts 12 or 20, but 26 has really pushed me over the edge.
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:30 am

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Phoebus wrote:
unvote: stoofer ; vote: Miztef
well, at least I got something happening, even if it isn't favorable to me.

I was just random paging the wiki when I came across that info, I don't know too much about the site, so I try to read as many of the wiki articles as possible.

I don't know how the info will help, but I thought I'd put it out there for interpretation's sake. well, I guess it was interpreted, lol.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:31 am

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No no no. No more foreplay.

Wait. Yes. More foreplay. Random voting = foreplay.

*Checks list*

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Bad luck your name's top of the list.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:52 am

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I hope you are scum Miztef, and not just stupid.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:48 am

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Miztef's 26 screams 'newbie', not 'scum'.
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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:49 am

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Unvote Vote Eteocles


That reaction seems overdone to me.
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:51 am

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I can get behind that.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:01 am

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Miztef wrote:regarding Lee's death:

It turns out Lee won the scummie award for best mafia catcher in 2005 (for those that don't know) and this could be the reason (at least partially) that he was NKed.

Just thought I'd throw that tidbit of info out there.

2005 scummies

(btw, it would be nice to know how to link to a wiki without using the actual title, if anyone could enlighten me ) :)
So Lee was a pretty well respected player? Kinda odd that he wouldn't have drawn any doc protection. Usually players that have a good reputation for finding scum get doc protected especially on night zero.

Hmmm...unless the person that killed him didn't have to worry about the kill being stopped. Just a thought.
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:02 am

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Ok, so we have stuff go on from an early stage.

I'm not loving Mistef's posts. The first part of his post 20 did seem jokey, but the bracketed bit made me think he was serious and coming up with a weird way to justify his vote on Phoebus. I'm not sure if he was trying to seriously justify it and then changed his mind when I questioned it or what.

@Stoofer - mind explaining what about post 26 pushed you over the edge?

Also worth noting is that Eyceking checked in and random voted when stuff was already going on, without commenting on it at all, and Eteocles aggressive vote on Mistef. Of the suspects so far I'll go with Eteocles at this point.

Vote: Eteocles.
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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:26 am

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I apologize, I meant to post this at daybreak -- Mert has asked that I let everyone know that he will be unable to access a computer until Monday evening, British time.
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:05 am

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I'd like to know how my vote was overdone and aggresive.
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:34 am

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It was the tone of the post. It struck me as a fake overreaction. It seems particularly vehement, as you add no explanation to why Mitzef is either "scum or stupid".

It sounds as if you were trying to hop on what seemed to be an easy wagon.

It doesn't help that I don't really buy Miztef as scummy
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:50 am

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Yes, go my newbishness! looking back at it, that must seem really newbish, and possibly scummish.

lol, and everyone's spelling my name wrong, it's amusing.

I'd like to clarify that my vote for pheobus is basically random. I have not seriously voted as of yet. My statement about the scummie award was honest though. It makes me suspect that either a new player that discovered this information, or someone that is well aware of his abilities NKed him.

Something about simenon's post strikes me as scummy, it seems he is pushing the eteocles bandwagon and adds just a bit too much explaination behind it, considering the amount of people who already voted eteocles.

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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:57 am

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Hmm, well, I know nobody here knows me but I always believe that the Innocents need options to mull over, although that approach is a bit moot in a timeless game...

Usually at this point I would throw a more serious vote on Miztef as between himself and Eteocles it looks like a lynch would happen, but with no time limit then we have all the time in the world to shift focus if a better lynch comes along later.

In this situation, hmm. I don't know what to say. OK. Eteocles' response does seem forced, but I know a lot of what I say is forced no matter what my alignment because I don't like being lynched! So I'm willing to let it slide, but will keep an eye on further developments in their corner. But.. I'm not understanding why Miztef is being targeted for Post 26. Is it just because they pointed out LML was one of the best Mafia finders in the game?

Also, muse. If that's for the band then I can never bring myself to lynch you. You would just be too cool in my eyes for me to do that. But as to your point about the doc... we either have a newbie doc or no doc. That can be the only reason so many people seem to think that he was a likely NK and yet didn't draw the heal. So I'm sure that explains the anomaly you brought up.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:06 am

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Eyceking wrote:Also, muse. If that's for the band then I can never bring myself to lynch you. You would just be too cool in my eyes for me to do that. But as to your point about the doc... we either have a newbie doc or no doc. That can be the only reason so many people seem to think that he was a likely NK and yet didn't draw the heal. So I'm sure that explains the anomaly you brought up.
I think it's dangerous to assume we either have no doctor or a newbie doctor. I can imagine other ways round it. Lee is not the only good player in the game. You also seem to overlook the possibilities of the doc being roleblocked or that Lee himself could have been a doc. Do you think it's helpful to be speculating on what kind of player a potential doc might be? If so, explain why.

I disagree with Miztef's (spelt it right this time :wink: ) reasoning for voting Simenon, but I'll let Simenon respond to it.
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:50 am

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Miztef wrote: Something about simenon's post strikes me as scummy, it seems he is pushing the eteocles bandwagon and adds just a bit too much explaination behind it, considering the amount of people who already voted eteocles.

unvote vote: Simenon
I'm a bit confused. Eteocles asked me for my reasoning of his vote, which I gave him. Why would you have prefered less explanation?
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:34 pm

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Simenon wrote:
Miztef wrote: Something about simenon's post strikes me as scummy, it seems he is pushing the eteocles bandwagon and adds just a bit too much explaination behind it, considering the amount of people who already voted eteocles.

unvote vote: Simenon
I'm a bit confused. Eteocles asked me for my reasoning of his vote, which I gave him. Why would you have prefered less explanation?
it's not a preference thing, it's just a hunch on my part. I'm probably wrong, but I felt my random vote should be changed and you seemed the most suspicious. However, I feel eteocles is not the right vote atm, so I'll just

unvote


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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:36 pm

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I do understand how what I said, or lack of, could be interpreted as scummy, but I think it's wierd how I get voted for finding Miztef's newbieness suspicious, when I myself am a newbie. That is in no way trying to excuse myself from voting for him, I'm not too sure about him, but I will stick with my vote for now. I was thinking about reducing my vote to an FoS, but i do agree that his vote for Simenon doesn't really make much sense.

Really right now I just want to hear from everyone else.
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:50 pm

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Eteocles wrote:I do understand how what I said, or lack of, could be interpreted as scummy, but I think it's wierd how I get voted for finding Miztef's newbieness suspicious, when I myself am a newbie. That is in no way trying to excuse myself from voting for him, I'm not too sure about him, but I will stick with my vote for now. I was thinking about reducing my vote to an FoS, but i do agree that his vote for Simenon doesn't really make much sense.

Really right now I just want to hear from everyone else.
It seems you are just trying to agree with the people. This could be interpreted as newbish, or scummish, I'm not sure which at the moment.

Anyone have observations on his post?
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:03 pm

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Miztef wrote:
Eteocles wrote:I do understand how what I said, or lack of, could be interpreted as scummy, but I think it's wierd how I get voted for finding Miztef's newbieness suspicious, when I myself am a newbie. That is in no way trying to excuse myself from voting for him, I'm not too sure about him, but I will stick with my vote for now. I was thinking about reducing my vote to an FoS, but i do agree that his vote for Simenon doesn't really make much sense.

Really right now I just want to hear from everyone else.
It seems you are just trying to agree with the people. This could be interpreted as newbish, or scummish, I'm not sure which at the moment.

Anyone have observations on his post?
Er... I wasn't apologizing for myself, and I don't know who you think I was agreeing with besides my last point about your vote on Simneon (I had started writing before your unvote by the way just for the record).
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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:33 pm

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Miztef wrote:My statement about the scummie award was honest though. It makes me suspect that either a new player that discovered this information, or someone that is well aware of his abilities NKed him.
"He was killed by someone who was either a newbie, or experienced!"

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Eteocles wrote:I do understand how what I said, or lack of, could be interpreted as scummy, but I think it's wierd how I get voted for finding Miztef's newbieness suspicious, when I myself am a newbie. That is in no way trying to excuse myself from voting for him, I'm not too sure about him, but I will stick with my vote for now. I was thinking about reducing my vote to an FoS, but i do agree that his vote for Simenon doesn't really make much sense.

Really right now I just want to hear from everyone else.
So you agree that it's newbishness not scumminess that you're voting for but you don't understand why we didn't like the vote? Basically, you were way too sure and it did look forced.
Miztef wrote:it's not a preference thing, it's just a hunch on my part. I'm probably wrong, but I felt my random vote should be changed and you seemed the most suspicious. However, I feel eteocles is not the right vote atm, so I'll just

unvote


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Why the heck isn't Eteocles not the right vote?

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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:00 am

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Patrick wrote:Do you think it's helpful to be speculating on what kind of player a potential doc might be? If so, explain why.
Nope. I was merely trying to retort to muse's, uh... musings about why LML seems to have not drawn the doc heal.
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