Mini 1580: EpicMafiaTime [GAME OVER]

[tn5421]

Sup

You trying to walk in like macklemore?

Also, first post of page 2.

[Natirasha]

I was told on teamliquid that it is correct play to claim vanilla townie in your first post.

I am claiming VT

VOTE: Vote: Natirasha

[Skullduggery]

Day 1, Vote Count #2

(0) RedCoyote
(0) tn5421
(1) d3x -- Kthxbye
(1) Not Voting -- tn5421
(2) Bookitty -- Mirhawk, Generic
(0) Kthxbye
(0) Haschel Cedricson
(0) Jake from State Farm
(0) tysker
(2) Mirhawk -- Salamence20, Haschel Cedricson
(1) Generic -- Bookitty
(0) Salamence20
(1) Natirasha -- Natirasha

Not Voting: RedCoyote, d3x, Not Voting, Jake from State Farm, tysker

With 13 players remaining, it takes 7 votes to hammer.

Day 1 Will End on Saturday, June 28th, at 7 p.m. eastern time.
Countdown: (expired on 2014-06-28 19:00:00)

tysker is V/LA until 6/16.
d3x is V/LA until 6/23.

Next time, we eat the Ultimate Warrior's multicolored arm tassels.

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[Haschel Cedricson]

Well that was quick. I retract my claim.

VOTE: Mirhawk

Serious vote

Why is there a serious vote on page one? Are you perhaps trying to imply this isn't an OMGUS in relation to 15?

Two questions:

1) Why do you think there is a serious vote on page one? This isn't rhetorical; I want you to think about this.

2) Why are you trying to imply that it IS an OMGUS?

[tn5421]

I was told on teamliquid that it is correct play to claim vanilla townie in your first post.

I am claiming VT

VOTE: Vote: Natirasha

If you were expecting accurate advice from teamliquid about a game that isn't Starcraft of Dota, you'd be wrong.

[Haschel Cedricson]

That's one question-dodge.

[tn5421]

Well that was quick. I retract my claim.

VOTE: Mirhawk

Serious vote

Why is there a serious vote on page one? Are you perhaps trying to imply this isn't an OMGUS in relation to 15?

Two questions:

1) Why do you think there is a serious vote on page one? This isn't rhetorical; I want you to think about this.

2) Why are you trying to imply that it IS an OMGUS?

This seems to be a new trend of people claiming 'serious votes' or 'rvs is over' on page one. I'm inclined to take this player seriously based on previous experience with him.

Because it is an omgus. It's a direct response to suspicion.

[tn5421]

That's one question-dodge.

It's not a question dodge. You seem rather keen to make me look bad. Why is that?

[Haschel Cedricson]

No, that's not what I meant. There is indeed a serious vote on page one. I'm asking if you understand why it is serious, because I do.

And I asked you the questions, you posted without acknowledging them, and then I had to prompt you to get a response.

I'm not trying to "make you look bad"; you're doing a fine enough job on your own.

[Generic]

So it's instantly OMGUS, something usually a derogatory comment, because it was in response to suspicion in the first place?

By that logic someone would just need to open with a long posts suspecting everyone and they become immune to serious pushes on them because it would be 'OMGUS'.


Bookitty, what's your experience in mafia?

[Bookitty]

Well, I played here for a long while and then took a long hiatus, from which I have recently returned. I'm currently in four games, including this one. I have no off-site experience.

You could search my username and click on view topics to get a decent overview of the games I was in, I think.

OMGUS is just as likely for town as for scum imo.

I think I know what Salamence is thinking; I'm not sure it's a very strong scumtell, though. I think I see a better one.

VOTE: tn5421

[Salamence20]

Well that was quick. I retract my claim.

VOTE: Mirhawk

Serious vote

Why is there a serious vote on page one? Are you perhaps trying to imply this isn't an OMGUS in relation to 15?

Don't worry Boo old buddy.

There's a link.

[Bookitty]

I'm not as sure based on the user profile, but I'm willing to see where it goes.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Mirhawk

[RedCoyote]

I really like my role PM and it makes me happy.

What alignment do you like playing as? Be honest, because I'm going to check your answer.

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Good to see some of you again.

Ditto! I thought we had lost you for good.

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The only thing generics avatar suggests is high class.

*tips fedora*

I'm thinking more like scum claim.

If you think this, why not vote him?

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If you were expecting accurate advice from teamliquid about a game that isn't Starcraft of Dota, you'd be wrong.

I think there may be a touch of sarcasm in that post.

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I'm not trying to "make you look bad"; you're doing a fine enough job on your own.

This, but the question-dodge thing was a little heavy handed, I think. I guess you could say it's rather arbitrary where to draw the line as to when someone is ignoring you and when you haven't given the other party enough time to formulate a thoughtful response, and that once the player makes a post, they're fair game. Still, HC didn't know whether or not tn was taking the time to think on his questions (as he seemed to stress that he do in Q1), so that's where I am with this thing.

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I'm not as sure based on the user profile, but I'm willing to see where it goes.

That was quick. What happened to your "better" scumtell?

[Bookitty]

That's one question-dodge.

It's not a question dodge. You seem rather keen to make me look bad. Why is that?

It's still there. I haven't forgotten about it. But my one little vote does not an effective wagon make.

[RedCoyote]

But it's page 2. Why would you not be fighting for what you thought (and still think, presumably) was the better wagon? Why would you be so submissive to Sal of all people?

[Salamence20]

But it's page 2. Why would you not be fighting for what you thought (and still think, presumably) was the better wagon? Why would you be so submissive to Sal of all people?

Im fucking hurt.

[Bookitty]

Okay, look at the number of posts for each of those players. Do you think either scumtell is especially strong, given that information?

I have very minimal meta on Sala and none I can talk about. I have some on Haschel, though, and I don't think he's scum in this game. Haschel is agreeing with Sala. Why would you read my move to a wagon as submission to Sala? I was wagoning, not sheeping, but if I had been, I don't understand why it's especially bad if I was sheeping Sala. Is Sala known as a horrible player?

What does page 2 have to do with it, in your opinion? Neither my vote on tn nor my vote on Mirhawk was RVS. I don't think you thought so, either. So why is page 2 relevant?

[RedCoyote]

Im fucking hurt.

You know I love you, Sal. Actually, you're playing rather town so far. Keep it up.

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Do you think either scumtell is especially strong, given that information?

Relatively speaking, no. But you're the one that said you thought one was better than the other, not me.

I was wagoning, not sheeping, but if I had been, I don't understand why it's especially bad if I was sheeping Sala. Is Sala known as a horrible player?

But HC was the one attacking tn. Presumably that back and forth was/is going to continue in some capacity anyway... It's very odd to me that someone would vote someone, someone that they think is the "better" potential candidate for scum, and then retract it almost immediately without hearing from either tn or Mirhawk. Also, forget that jab of Sal. That's besides the point and it's distracting from my main argument.

So why is page 2 relevant?

Because it's page 2, it's strange to me that you'd say "one little vote does not an effective wagon make". Well, I mean, a wagon has to start somewhere, Boo. Certainly on page 2 it's expected that players aren't generally going to have a lot of votes yet. The game has just started and now's the time to stake your claim on what you think is the best direction for the town to go. If people join you, great, if not, then you decide whether to shift your vote or push harder. To me, that's what town wants to do, whereas scum are faking this entire process entirely so that they look as though they're scumhunting.

[RedCoyote]

I'm aware I'm not voting anyone yet. Despite the fact that I'm not big on meta, I think it may help me in this instance. Going to hold off a bit longer while I look into Boo a bit more.

[Bookitty]

There is a wagon already on Mirhawk. My tell isn't that much better than theirs, though I do think it's better. Usually it's better to join a wagon that you can somewhat agree with and that is already underway rather than to start a brand new one. IMO, wagons are only effective in eliciting information past a certain tipping point.

For instance, Generic is voting me. He pointed out something scummy he thought I did. He's not pushing that case, though; if he moves to a larger wagon, does that mean he's abandoned all suspicion of me? I would doubt it.

Given that town is likely to have different opinions on things, people on any wagon may or may not be voting their number one top suspicion. Mafia is a game of consensus: agree or disagree?

[Jake from State Farm]

vote: sal

[Mirhawk]

If you think this, why not vote him?

Is this a serious question? Miller would be a terrible day one claim.

@Boo
Look at the timestamps on the exchange between TN and HC. Its pretty obvious that TN doesn't read his previews. It can hardly be constituted as avoiding the question if he answered it within five minutes. Why do you think HC is on to something?

[tn5421]

No, that's not what I meant. There is indeed a serious vote on page one. I'm asking if you understand why it is serious, because I do.

And I asked you the questions, you posted without acknowledging them, and then I had to prompt you to get a response.

I'm not trying to "make you look bad"; you're doing a fine enough job on your own.

You didn't have to prompt me; I was in the middle of writing the response when you posted.

[tn5421]

If you think this, why not vote him?

Is this a serious question? Miller would be a terrible day one claim.

@Boo
Look at the timestamps on the exchange between TN and HC. Its pretty obvious that TN doesn't read his previews. It can hardly be constituted as avoiding the question if he answered it within five minutes. Why do you think HC is on to something?

It's pretty strange, I must have refreshed the page while reading because it didn't throw a preview at me when I submitted.