481 - Speed 1: Romeo and Juliet Mafia - Game Over!


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Post Post #25 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:22 am

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Brutal Assassin wrote:I'd look through and get statistical evidence to support the theory, but that would require an absurd amount of looking into games. Its more of a hunch than anything, and really it makes sense.

A townie really has no reason to say something like "Good luck, good game".
I can see what you're saying. "Good luck" is more something you'd say to the
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team rather than your own, but I still don't feel that it's particularly strong.
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Post Post #26 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:45 am

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you know, the more i look at it and think about it, saying "good luck" really is a strange thing to do
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Post Post #27 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:51 am

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Wait... you weren't just joking around? Wow...

Since I actually have to defend myself from this...

I've been playing competitive games for roughly, I don't know... my whole life. Soccer, Starcraft, Warcraft III, etc etc. It has always been good manners, at least to me, to wish everyone luck and hope that they all have a good time. Its basically a habit to me, and one I really don't feel like stopping because you think its scummy BA.

Heck, you're a gamer too, I would think something like that wouldn't be such a major thing. It seems scummy to me that you would point out something innocuous like that and jump on it.
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Post Post #28 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 7:59 am

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in the other two games that you have played on this site, you never said good luck when you joined
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Post Post #29 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:02 am

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And since 24 mafia is finished you can go back and see that I was mafia and won in that one. So by your own evidence this is outside of normal and would be more likely that I am town.

I will not comment on the other game I am in since it is still ongoing and I am still alive. You should not comment upon it either.
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Post Post #30 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:14 am

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Jimmy R wrote:
Vote PoppinPuffin
for being a [...] guy...
Um, no. Actually, not.

Vote: Jimmy
for gender-confusion issues.
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Post Post #31 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:29 am

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Kinetic wrote:Wait... you weren't just joking around? Wow...

Since I actually have to defend myself from this...

I've been playing competitive games for roughly, I don't know... my whole life. Soccer, Starcraft, Warcraft III, etc etc. It has always been good manners, at least to me, to wish everyone luck and hope that they all have a good time. Its basically a habit to me, and one I really don't feel like stopping because you think its scummy BA.

Heck, you're a gamer too, I would think something like that wouldn't be such a major thing. It seems scummy to me that you would point out something innocuous like that and jump on it.
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Post Post #32 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 8:30 am

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Vote: Kravhen


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Post Post #33 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:14 am

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Kinetic wrote:Wait... you weren't just joking around? Wow...

Since I actually have to defend myself from this...

I've been playing competitive games for roughly, I don't know... my whole life. Soccer, Starcraft, Warcraft III, etc etc. It has always been good manners, at least to me, to wish everyone luck and hope that they all have a good time. Its basically a habit to me, and one I really don't feel like stopping because you think its scummy BA.

Heck, you're a gamer too, I would think something like that wouldn't be such a major thing. It seems scummy to me that you would point out something innocuous like that and jump on it.
That, in particular, is why I pointed it out actually. Being a competitive gamer, I've gone to say "Good luck" in threads at the start dozens of times and have stopped myself for the sole reason that it sounds scummy. Caught myself about to push submit a few times.

As for the last paragraph, it is Day 1, scrutinizing little comments is how we start the scum-finding process.
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Post Post #34 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 9:48 am

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Well I really hate playing the newbie card, mainly because I don't consider myself one, but this is my first forum that I've played mafia on. It never occurred to me that wishing everyone good luck could be looked at as anything but neutral. I don't care if you think it looks scummy, I really want everyone to have fun, and I'm not going to say otherwise.

And sure, scrutinizing little comments may be the way to start, but I doubt something like that is anything more than a throw away.
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Post Post #35 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:00 am

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its true, "good luck" is usually something you would say to an opponent.
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Post Post #36 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:03 am

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logicticus, In a game where no one knows who is on their team, everyone could be your opponent. That being said, while I understand where BA is coming from, your jumping on and pushing this is extremely suspicious. I think you might be setting up following him with a bandwagon vote then looking back and saying "that is why I did it". I'm going to beat you to it.

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Post Post #37 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:04 am

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EBQOP: I think that is considered a Pre-Emptive OMGUS vote, but I can't decide. :P
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Post Post #38 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:14 am

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Kinetic wrote:logicticus, In a game where no one knows who is on their team, everyone could be your opponent.
hmm, somewhat valid point. although if you are scum you know exactly who is on your team. and then you would be wishing good luck to your opponents who are the majority of the rest of the players


and i havent jumped on any bandwagon. do you see me voting for you right now? im just getting more information
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Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:21 am

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Kinetic wrote:I think you might be setting up following him with a bandwagon vote then looking back and saying "that is why I did it". I'm going to beat you to it.
I never said you were on it, only that it seemed very suspicious to the point where to you could be setting up to jump on it safely. If you were just gathering information you could read without commenting like you are with your one-liners.
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Post Post #40 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:26 am

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so lurk?

how can you possibly gather information without asking questions?
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Post Post #41 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:30 am

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logicticus wrote:you know, the more i look at it and think about it, saying "good luck" really is a strange thing to do
logicticus wrote:in the other two games that you have played on this site, you never said good luck when you joined
logicticus wrote:its true, "good luck" is usually something you would say to an opponent.
I'm sorry, I must have missed your question... or question mark.... Can you point out where in these three useless posts where it would be?

I'm not saying you should lurk. But I am saying that if you're going ot post, make it constructive.
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Post Post #42 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 10:39 am

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my final points regarding discussion:

1) theres more than one way to gather information
2) you have your way, i have my way
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Post Post #43 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:13 am

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That totally sounds like you trying to end my attack on you because you cannot find an defense for your scummy actions... Sorry, I don't believe in opinions or each person's own way. I believe in the right way.
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Post Post #44 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:16 am

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Sorry, I don't believe in opinions or each person's own way.
Thats pretty facist of you.
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Post Post #45 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:30 am

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I should rephrase: I don't believe in hiding behind unsupported opinions and ending a conversation just by saying 'its my opinion and I'm allowed to have it'. No, you are not.

If you cannot back up your opinions you don't deserve to have them. Your one-liners are annoying and have nothing to add. If you can back up your opinions you are allowed to have them again. Until then you will do what you are told, your opinion license has been suspended.
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Post Post #46 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:32 am

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yes sir
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Post Post #47 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 11:54 am

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Is that a wagon I hear rolling its way through my town? Cool.

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Post Post #48 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 1:33 pm

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It is day 1.

12 players remain: Brutal Assassin, Dragon Phoenix, Jimmy R, Kinetic, Mert, PoppinPuffin, Stewie, kravhen, logicticus, schismatized, somestrangeflea, xyzzy.

7 votes are needed for a conviction or to no-lynch.

3 votes for Kinetic (Brutal Assassin, Dragon Phoenix, Mert)
1 vote for logicticus (Kinetic)
1 vote for schismatized (somestrangeflea)
1 vote for kravhen (kravhen)
1 vote for Mert (schismatized)
1 vote for PoppinPuffin (Jimmy R)
1 vote for Jimmy R (xyzzy)

3 players have not voted: PoppinPuffin, Stewie, logicticus.

You've got about 6 days and 12 hours remaining.
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Post Post #49 (ISO) » Mon Aug 06, 2007 2:16 pm

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Kinetic wrote:I should rephrase: I don't believe in hiding behind unsupported opinions and ending a conversation just by saying 'its my opinion and I'm allowed to have it'. No, you are not.
I agree completely. Too many people like to just block away any kind of argument by saying " I got my opinion, you got yours, let's both shut up now ". That's just lazy and avoiding conversation. If you really believe your opinion is right you should really be able to defend it. Or else people would just blurt out completely pointless and random opinions and just say "My opinion G!" and end it.



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