Micro 596: Longnight Mafia [GAME OVER]

[PantherPunt]

Postie- gun to your head read on TIMU?

[TheTrollie]

yo wuddup

[TheTrollie]

Punt for scum

TIMU & Postie probtown

[This is my username]

I didn't really believe the case anyways, it was likely a playstyle thing but seemed worth mentioning. It got some conversation going, like I wanted.

I know you didn't try to call either of them as scum, what does that even have to do with this?

[PantherPunt]

Tell me how you got a probtown read on either of them, please, trollie

[PantherPunt]

I didn't really believe the case anyways, it was likely a playstyle thing but seemed worth mentioning. It got some conversation going, like I wanted.

I know you didn't try to call either of them as scum, what does that even have to do with this?

How is it a playstyle thing to say "hey, why didn't you check in"

You called it a little bit serious vote, now you're walking that back saying you didn't believe the "case"

Tell me, what was the "case" that you didn't believe?

[This is my username]

It is a playstyle thing because most people would try to create content rather than inviting others to do it for them.
...wait that's what scum would do

hmm

Anyways, the original case was simply that I found it weird that someone would call out others on lurking on Page One because I've never seen anyone do that before at the beginning of the game. Hence, it seemed forced.

[Postie]

Postie- gun to your head read on TIMU?

Not a clue. I've seen tryhard townies get scumread by other town for looking, well, tryhard. It's not a great argument, but I wouldn't call it scummy. Given that TiMU's other content has been of a similar quality, I could very well see town!TiMU making this argument, especially early on in the game.

[This is my username]

What do you think about PantherPunt, Postie?

[TheTrollie]

Tell me how you got a probtown read on either of them, please, trollie

townvibes bro

TIMU for voting which at first seemed stupid but he's right
Postie for her inquisition

[PantherPunt]

It is a playstyle thing because most people would try to create content rather than inviting others to do it for them.
...wait that's what scum would do

hmm

Anyways, the original case was simply that I found it weird that someone would call out others on lurking on Page One because I've never seen anyone do that before at the beginning of the game. Hence, it seemed forced.

I was inviting others to just pop in, not asking for content to be made so I didn't have to. You'll find I won't have a problem posting freely and loosely.

Saying "called out others for lurking" implies that I was calling them scummy. And calling it "forced" implies that I was trying to push some agenda. So that's where my confusion comes from, as I was doing neither of those things.

I find you voting me for it is definitely the objectively "forced" part of the whole thing. And walking it back by saying you didn't believe the "case" (which further solidifies you were scumreading me for it) doesnt feel natural. Like your thought process isn't clear, and in my opinion not natural and believable.

[PantherPunt]

Tell me how you got a probtown read on either of them, please, trollie

townvibes bro

TIMU for voting

which at first seemed stupid but he's right

Postie for her inquisition

So you think my post asking why those other two didn't post is alignment indicative too? I'm assuming so since you called TIMU "right"? TIMU has since doubled back and softy implied it's not scummy but just a playstyle difference. You sticking with calling it scummy or do you want to sheep him back to null like you sheeped the scum read?

And Postie for the inquisition. Are you referring to the hypothetical RVS inquisition or the two questions to TIMU that were a essentially identical to my questions?

[This is my username]

A good way to invite others to pop in is to create content on your own. How much experience do you have in Mafia?

No, I knew you weren't calling them scummy, I'm sorry for the confusion. To make my thought process more clear, it just didn't seem like Town would call people out for lurking this early in the game.

p-edit: Panther, why are you casing Trollie and I when only one of us can be scum? Who are you most suspicious of?

[PantherPunt]

A good way to invite others to pop in is to create content on your own. How much experience do you have in Mafia?

No, I knew you weren't calling them scummy, I'm sorry for the confusion. To make my thought process more clear, it just didn't seem like Town would call people out for lurking this early in the game.

p-edit: Panther, why are you casing Trollie and I when only one of us can be scum? Who are you most suspicious of?

I've played something like 20 forum games ranging from 9er newbies on here to 60-80 player mashes with 12 hour days. Fairly experienced. That's not content, though. That's fluff, but can be helpful in understanding others I guess.

And I know only one of you can be scum. Odd that you didn't add a "from your perspective" caveat to that and could be considered a slip (speaking with a perspective that you KNOW I'm town.) but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt there

I am trying to sort out your alignments. Asking questions is how I do that. it may seem aggressive and like I'm scumreading both of you, and that's ok. Its how I'll solve which of you is actually town.

[This is my username]

Alright, so you should know that in RVS, asking lurkers to stop lurking when you're not doing anything productive yourself is anti-Town. Then why would you have done it?

You didn't answer my question. Which of us are you must suspicious of?

[Postie]

What do you think about PantherPunt, Postie?

I think he's making your argument out to be scummier than it is, but I don't know whether that's because he has an agenda or whether you guys are just confusing each other.

[This is my username]

So you're nullreading everything. Fair enough in ED1, I suppose.

[PantherPunt]

Alright, so you should know that in RVS, asking lurkers to stop lurking when you're not doing anything productive yourself is anti-Town. Then why would you have done it?

You didn't answer my question. Which of us are you must suspicious of?

Lolwut
First of all, it's not anti-town to ask other people to engage the thread. And I didn't even ask, just expressed incredulity.

I made a post about micro 580, asked people not to self hammer, and asked if anyone has played with anyone else before.
And you're back to painting me in a negative light for the lurk call out. Make up your mind.

Why are you so concerned about which of you I'm more suspicious of? I'm equally suspicious of both of you. Your posting has been very weak attempt at scum hunting and use of logic. It looks forced and scummy.
Trollie is either town with bad gut reads upon thread entry or scum seeking to buddy town!you and sheep your self-admitted not-actually-a-case "case" by calling you right.
Need to see more from both of you and we are on our way.

Felt no need to comment on your maybe-slip?

[Postie]

@PantherPunt

- I get that you think TiMU's argument about you asking about lurkers feels forced. Can you summarise the rest of your problems with TiMU? Is it mainly his original point or his response to your pressure that's bugging you?

[This is my username]

Messed up, more like it isn't fit for a Town mindset to ask other people to post without having any productive content.

Telling people not to self-hammer isn't productive, I'm pretty sure all of us know how to do that already. Knowing whether we're played with others is the game is useless information as well. You haven't posted any

productive

content, you do have content.

Well, you avoided my question entirely when I first asked it. I'm interested in knowing your reads so I can comment on them. And Trollie has the V/LA banner, does his rather lazy post feel less suspicious with that information?

What is there to say about that? I misspoke.

[Postie]

it isn't fit for a Town mindset to ask other people to post without having any productive content.

Do you still think that that's more likely to come from scum than town? If so, why?
I guess you could

maybe

call it anti-town or hypocritical (although I don't think it is), but neither of those things are necessarily scummy.

[This is my username]

I messed up, it isn't anti-Town but it wouldn't come from a Town mindset IMO. Town would want to try and be productive, whether that means ED1 casing or asking questions. Panther did the latter but it has no relevance on the game so I can't really credit him with it. Meanwhile, Mafia would to look productive without really doing much. Like what PantherPunt did.

[PantherPunt]

@PantherPunt

- I get that you think TiMU's argument about you asking about lurkers feels forced. Can you summarise the rest of your problems with TiMU? Is it mainly his original point or his response to your pressure that's bugging you?

suspicion and vote on me forced
then flipflopping on whether it was a playstyle clash that he was just commenting on to "get discussion going" or he felt I was actually anti-town/scummy for it. (still don't know where he stands atm)
made a potential perspective-slip
worried about my read on him vs my read on trollie; it's a self-concious mindset that I more typically see come from scum. (or newbs, but N/A here)

[PantherPunt]

Messed up, more like it isn't fit for a Town mindset to ask other people to post without having any productive content.

Telling people not to self-hammer isn't productive, I'm pretty sure all of us know how to do that already. Knowing whether we're played with others is the game is useless information as well. You haven't posted any

productive

content, you do have content.

Well, you avoided my question entirely when I first asked it. I'm interested in knowing your reads so I can comment on them. And Trollie has the V/LA banner, does his rather lazy post feel less suspicious with that information?

What is there to say about that? I misspoke.

TIMU you are struggling.
The fact that you haven't just recanted and said "sorry you're right there really wasn't anything alignment indicative there", but instead doubling down and trying to rationalize yourself. It looks bad.

1)telling people not to self hammer is relevant since last game two townies did it. You played that game, you know that. 2)finding out who has played with each other is definitely useful info, to me at minimum. You are just trying to torpedo me on any point now apparently.
ALL THAT ASIDE, you are making it seem like I should have been more productive at that point (post 5? 6?) and am accordingly scummy for saying "so and so was around but not posting, what gives?" I'd argue that's me trying to stimulate content.

[PantherPunt]

And Trollie has the V/LA banner, does his rather lazy post feel less suspicious with that information?

What is there to say about that? I misspoke.

And about this part: v/la is an excuse to no-post. Not really relevant at all to the content of his post.

His post was either a townie's 100% wrong reads from within our group, or, a scum lazily sheeping your incorrect read/vote on me.

TBD