Tell you what: you give me your single best guess, whether a town read or scum read, and why it's your best guess, and I'll alignment flip that one player (though all relevant discussions on that slot will need to be spoilered from then on).
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:52 am
by Zyf
In post 25, mhsmith0 wrote:Tell you what: you give me your single best guess, whether a town read or scum read, and why it's your best guess, and I'll alignment flip that one player (though all relevant discussions on that slot will need to be spoilered from then on).
In post 352, Transcend wrote:Although i am serious when i feel that the foses are quantifiable on them.
Fair enough.
After trolling
Apparently voting good alters basic LOGIC perception; this isn't believing a read, this is saying a statement makes no sense and then later saying it's logical
In post 502, Zyf wrote:1) Why would you do it? So that if/when he flipped town people would be like "oh wow saru was right let's trust them"
Wait, so apparently I'm scum with Snake(which you're 100% sure about) but I'm also scum who is WK-ing a town Snake. What? Guess you contradicted yourself and now you're confirmed scum for that.
Anyways, I'm just going to claim right now because fuck it. Alas, I am but a VT. I hate being VT anyways so whatevs.
After I flip, take a good hard look at both Transcend and Xkfyu because the fight between them looks fake af. Trolling is a convenient excuse that I could use for my posts too, but I'm not scum so. Plus, Transcend's discredit of me just looks so bad lmfao. If I'd have to give a third scum, I'd probably say one of the lurkers.
Mimi is probably town. Gerry is also probably town. inb4 "oh those are Saru's scum partners."
If Zyf is town, then he's just a bad player who thinks questioning speed wagons is scummy. Sad times. He'll learn.
Good luck and cy@ in the dead thread!
I like it.
UNVOTE: Saru
VOTE: Lowell
Unvotes saru, votes to try and incite me
Even though apparently they like the post, apparently they don't agree with the content
Which accuses them of scummy-ness
In post 563, BlackStar wrote:What do you like about it? You haven't explained your town read
It's funny that it took this long for someone to ask this.
It's this:
In post 543, Saru wrote:After I flip, take a good hard look at both Transcend and Xkfyu because the fight between them looks fake af. Trolling is a convenient excuse that I could use for my posts too, but I'm not scum so. Plus, Transcend's discredit of me just looks so bad lmfao. If I'd have to give a third scum, I'd probably say one of the lurkers.
If Saru is scum, he knows that any "scum reads" he claims will obviously be ignored. So, this is absolutely pointless for scum to post, and it's more effort than scum would make.
TERRIBLE reason for townreading someone. If scum is about to get lynched, they will ABSOLUTELY make the effort because they're on the brink of death and have to try harder to live.
I agree with the read but this reason is horrific.
In post 647, Transcend wrote:Okay but you said i was a green read then sonia over here pulls 3 foses out of her ass (she's hard town btw just playing off of emotion) and you're like "yep sure sounds good haha yep"
That's not what I said. I said "I could see that." That doesn't necessarily mean that I believed it.
If I did believe it, I would be voting for you instead of Vedith.
Apparently not.
But they're saying two different things here. First they say they do believe it because vedith is part of the pile, but then later on apparently vedith doesn't count? Sounds like someone trying to dig themselves out of a pit.
Alignment doesn't matter
input is important
and saru was important because as the receiver of the wagon you oftentimes have more insight on who you think is scummy
In post 717, Xkfyu wrote:By the way, if this is just one huge scum theater production and you (Sonia, Transcend, and Zyf) are ALL scum, I am gonna be soooooo mad at you guys.
- All town, Too much to explain. Please don't make me.
Null
:
BlackStar
Lowell
texcat
Scum
:
algebra
- Weak reason for such a strong town read in Post 36. Actually, now that I've gone be to see this, I'm gonna vote him for this, and his weird 55 and 57, which doesn't look at all natural to me.
Mimi
(not with TierShift) - Post 615. I checked the Activity Overview page at the time of this post, and TierShift and MariaR were both listed right next to each other at the bottom of the list (sorted by post count). See my 622.
TierShift
(not with Mimi) - For his reasoning to want to lynch Gerry in Post 143.
UNVOTE: TierShift
VOTE: algebra
People have already mentioned problems with this list
>switches to other one
>mimi being town has nothing to do with whether or not transcend is scum
>I drop from town to scum for voting them; they start voting me because I'm starting to get votes on me
In post 969, Xkfyu wrote:Anyone who uses the word "noice" must be scum.
Random joke, but still throwing shade while they're at it
You choose
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:56 am
by mhsmith0
Which are you more confident on? You can also pick a more confident town read if that's your preference too.
Ps you say gut on Vedith. If he's your pick, what sets off your gut? Think he's lying? Lazy? Pretending to scum hunt? Something else?
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:20 pm
by Zyf
In post 27, mhsmith0 wrote:Which are you more confident on? You can also pick a more confident town read if that's your preference too.
Ps you say gut on Vedith. If he's your pick, what sets off your gut? Think he's lying? Lazy? Pretending to scum hunt? Something else?
More confident on vedith tbh
Also idk something just doesn't feel right
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 1:46 pm
by mhsmith0
That's fine, but before I flip I think it'd be useful for you quantify it a bit. Or maybe point to a post or two that pings. Imagine you're in LYLO with vedith and xkfyu and are trying to prove its vedith. It's actually (IMO) a fun exercise that way.
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:37 pm
by Zyf
In post 29, mhsmith0 wrote:That's fine, but before I flip I think it'd be useful for you quantify it a bit. Or maybe point to a post or two that pings. Imagine you're in LYLO with vedith and xkfyu and are trying to prove its vedith. It's actually (IMO) a fun exercise that way.
Too helpful? Idk there's associations and there's their initial expectation of needing a better reason which I dunno i just don't like
If that's not enough for u fuckit I'm waiting
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:40 pm
by Zyf
How much does the avg person post by the end of a mini?
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:43 pm
by mhsmith0
Nah it's ok. I mean I do think it's a helpful exercise ; being able to articulate and communicate your reasons for suspecting someone is really important if you want to influence the town and drive a preferred lynch (and as town, you do). And it's also helpful to be able to personally re-evaluate; if you can put a finger on what's wrong w someone, you can better think about whether you still believe it, and you can also pressure/question that person about whatever it is that's bugging you. In this case...
Spoiler:
vedith was Mafia. Do not post spoiler content outside of spoilers, as dead chat is considered unspoilered for now
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:49 pm
by mhsmith0
In post 31, Zyf wrote:How much does the avg person post by the end of a mini?
And if you remember when I said in our newbie that you were spammy in a hard to fake manner, well, that's MY town game too (reasonably often anyway). I just finished an open where my post count was TRIPLE anyone else's http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... overview=1
I also think I've never been more obv town than I was in that one (and I'm usually pretty obv as town) but *shrugs*
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:56 pm
by Zyf
Spoiler:
Damn. My gut is better at scumhunting than I give it credit for.
Algebra is super-scum in my eyes, idk.
I can't believe I have to rely on SONIA to get vedith killed >.>
Lol only 100 more than me
I pulled that shit in less than a week lmao
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:58 pm
by mhsmith0
I'm not gonna FYI-flip anyone else, but why do you think algebra is super scum?
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:23 pm
by Zyf
Everything they've done is bad
There was that weird play at the beginning, and then they opportunistically just /happen/ to be there to fuckin attack my slot >.>
I guess they're town then
Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:41 pm
by mhsmith0
Not necessarily. But if you think they're "wolf or bad town" it's worth trying to work through which of those you think it is. I'll freely admit that's a big hole in my town game; I have high expectations of players and can scum-read them for failing to live up to them sometimes. Also I'm sometimes a sucker for effort, and sometimes it's wrong of me to do so.
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:23 am
by Zyf
Spoiler:
When sonia is terrible at playing this game properly but she's right >.>
Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:43 pm
by Zyf
Holy shit
What kind of doc plays so aggro?
Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2016 4:51 am
by Zyf
FUCK SONIA GODDAMMIT
I'M GLAD I REPLACED JESUS CHRIST
This is how you counter-claim doc without screaming it from the rooftops
In post 1490, Transcend wrote:Please don't lynch algebra he's just misguided. I'm 80% sure.
This is probably Transcend picking up on the CC, though admittedly I'm not 100% sure
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:29 am
by mhsmith0
Btw I can setup spoil if people want. All spoiler related conversation should be behind spoiler tags for people who want to follow along unspoiled.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 8:29 am
by mhsmith0
Also a warm welcome to transcend.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 9:21 am
by mhsmith0
Fwiw I've really enjoyed following along scum chat this game. They seem to have really great chemistry so far. 6 pages and counting, and they're getting along in a pretty fun way. Sub optimal shot tonight though; they're debating between two vt targets, instead of going for the doc.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:00 am
by Zyf
Transcend y
scumteam is good af
mh pls spoil my scumteam's alignments:
-xkfyu
-Vedith
-Algebra
-Blackstar
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:07 am
by mhsmith0
Spoilers below, look only if you want spoiling
Spoiler: full setup
Gerry tracker
Algebra doc
Dwlee bp
Texcat vig
Sonia 1-shot strongman
Vedith Encryptor
Black star goon
Everyone else vt
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:32 am
by Transcend
Holy shit im awful
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:34 am
by Transcend
Spoiler:
Yeah scum wins this wp. Vedith redeemed his shitty predecessor.
Two people in my never lynch list are scum. Fuck me.
Posted: Tue Aug 23, 2016 10:36 am
by Zyf
In post 46, mhsmith0 wrote:Spoilers below, look only if you want spoiling
Spoiler: full setup
Gerry tracker
Algebra doc
Dwlee bp
Texcat vig
Sonia 1-shot strongman
Vedith Encryptor
Black star goon