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Eh. I'd have expected you to have contemplated the setup more thoroughly; your underconfidence to the point of not speculating until you could echo other people (and not unvoting the roleblocker, but whatever) feels out-of-character.Post 21, Bookitty wrote:@Ether:
I don't really see what's scummy about changing my mind after thinking it over. How useful daytalking is to the scum would depend on the scum in question, I guess. I was looking for further impressions on that.
I realised I was most likely wrong about preferring the roleblocker role to the godfather role, and I said I thought I'd made a mistake. I think that's fair enough. It's difficult enough (at least for me) to try to figure out the roles we've probably been given, and then to try to figure what roles present the least risk and most benefit given the roles we'll have as town? I thought other people understood it better, so I deferred to their better judgment.
I think that's fair.
I'll admit that the choosing an encryptor/godfather over an encryptor/roleblocker while expressing doubt about the encryptor isn't so bad when one factors in that the roleblocker can screw with a vig's "results." But then your train of thought loses me all over again. Vig is unlikely? What?Post 15, Bookitty wrote:I was thinking they likely gave us a Vig, which the GF would be vulnerable to, but that's a long shot,
I asked before--just what power roles
do
you think are here?I get a weakly bad vibe from Skitzer's 23 efforts to justify the godfather, and in contrast think that his one-shot vig push is probably
too
stupid to mean anything. Sometimes I love my scumdar.By the way, I approve of the encryptor movement, except that you people are not helping to mercilessly stretch out the length of this game. It is very important that I last the maximum amount of realtime possible here, which means that there should be a lot of realtime involved. See Patrick's signature for details.
As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
LOUDER
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To clarify, I was thinking they likely gave us a Vig, which the GF would be vulnerable to (by means of the Vig's kill not working, pointing him out) but it would be a long shot that the Vig would 1) hit the GF, and 2) that he would be certain the GF wasn't protected by Doc or Roleblocker. I've gone back and forth on this. If I were sure that the scum had picked the way I would have picked in their position, I would have more certainty, but as it is I'm not going to pretend to certainty I absolutely don't feel.
I think they gave us a Doc, a Weak Doc, and a Vig. I thought I'd said this before, but maybe not. The scum know what they gave us, so I don't think there's any harm in giving my opinion.
I don't think they gave us a Masoniser because I think that would be a quick one shot investigation when we need it most. And I surely don't think they gave us a cop.
So there's my reasoning, for what it's worth.
I think they gave us a Doc, a Weak Doc, and a Vig. I thought I'd said this before, but maybe not. The scum know what they gave us, so I don't think there's any harm in giving my opinion.
I don't think they gave us a Masoniser because I think that would be a quick one shot investigation when we need it most. And I surely don't think they gave us a cop.
So there's my reasoning, for what it's worth.
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Ether gesticulates, to emphasise some ridiculous point about the mod's signature, and manages to knock over her glass, spilling her drink all over herself. She will be uncomfortable now for the rest of the game. Meanwhile scotmany12, who's been deep in thought up until now, decides that he doesn't want the day to drag on for very long at all, and lays down a hammer on
The mafia have 48 hours to tell me which of them will have which role. Once again, I'd prefer confirmation from each member of the mafia as to the choice being made. I'll call this phase night 0, even though nothing else will be happening.
Ether gesticulates, to emphasise some ridiculous point about the mod's signature, and manages to knock over her glass, spilling her drink all over herself. She will be uncomfortable now for the rest of the game. Meanwhile scotmany12, who's been deep in thought up until now, decides that he doesn't want the day to drag on for very long at all, and lays down a hammer on
encryptor
. Fortunately, the encryptor is unscathed, and will be used by the mafia along with the Godfather. The mafia have 48 hours to tell me which of them will have which role. Once again, I'd prefer confirmation from each member of the mafia as to the choice being made. I'll call this phase night 0, even though nothing else will be happening.
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i would love to finally touch your face
chamber can you please come to ukmeet
i would love to finally touch your face
All poweroles have now been assigned. The mafia have a godfather that reverses the result of any investigations against it, and is immune to any vig kills (and mafia nightkills but that's unlikely to be an issue). I can't think of any particularly good way to make the encryptor role realistic, so let's say the mafia are sneakily passing notes during the day. The mafia may talk via PMs, IMs, secret notes, telephone, walkie talkie, face to face, and any other method they can think of. Day and night.
Time to kill some scum (or town). It is day 1. With 12 players alive, it's 7 votes to lynch.
Time to kill some scum (or town). It is day 1. With 12 players alive, it's 7 votes to lynch.
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i would love to finally touch your face
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Um.
So what's up with the random voting? Complete waste of time. You have discussion material--but no, you're just going to pretend the first 37 posts never happened, aren't you. Somebody please explain this to me.
I could also go for Skitzer, except I don't think the ensuing argument would be as interesting and we're not
I don't think the chance of a vig and doctor targetting the same person is all that likely due to their opposite kill/protect motivations. (A vig probably wouldn't have been blocked by a roleblocker until it claimed because of the two-shot deal, but that's irrelevant.) If a vig fails its kill--
--hey, let's play some hypovig! If there's only one kill in a night, we all make up the nightkill (or no nightkill) we'd have tried as vig and post it. And then if a real vig dies, if it targetted someone on a night there was no kill, we act from there. There's not much chance of outing the vig needlessly with that--is there?
On the other hand, this is the set-up in which the roleblocker you proposed is at its
Other people need to comment.
So what's up with the random voting? Complete waste of time. You have discussion material--but no, you're just going to pretend the first 37 posts never happened, aren't you. Somebody please explain this to me.
vote: Bookitty
I could also go for Skitzer, except I don't think the ensuing argument would be as interesting and we're not
that
far ahead yet.I don't think the chance of a vig and doctor targetting the same person is all that likely due to their opposite kill/protect motivations. (A vig probably wouldn't have been blocked by a roleblocker until it claimed because of the two-shot deal, but that's irrelevant.) If a vig fails its kill--
--hey, let's play some hypovig! If there's only one kill in a night, we all make up the nightkill (or no nightkill) we'd have tried as vig and post it. And then if a real vig dies, if it targetted someone on a night there was no kill, we act from there. There's not much chance of outing the vig needlessly with that--is there?
This confuses me. On one hand, this is one of the most risky setups in the game for the scum because of the possibility of cyclic protection if the town catches on. But it's still realistic that people would consider it--Patrick had to point the risk out to both Ripley and me when we reviewed the game. And I think three heads would be better than one at catching that.Post 36, Bookitty wrote:I think they gave us a Doc, a Weak Doc, and a Vig. I thought I'd said this before, but maybe not. The scum know what they gave us, so I don't think there's any harm in giving my opinion.
On the other hand, this is the set-up in which the roleblocker you proposed is at its
most
dangerous. Godfather is the first
safe role I'd think of there. Not roleblocker. Even without considering cyclic protection, I think godfather would spring to mind first.Other people need to comment.
(Post 38, Patrick wrote:Ether gesticulates, to emphasise some ridiculous point about the mod's signature, and manages to knock over her glass, spilling her drink all over herself. She will be uncomfortable now for the rest of the game.
And
I'll smell like alcohol...)As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
LOUDER
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So, given that you had discussed the setup with others quite extensively before you made your choices, Ether, why is it so suspicious that others who had not done so might not see it as clearly as you did?
You're wrong about this. Additionally, I don't think I generally post as if I'm certain about things (I might be wrong, remember) so your pointing out my "uncertainty" as uncharacteristic is not only wrong, it's something you should know is wrong.
Admitting that you might be wrong about something is not a scumtell. I'm not sure why you're trying to paint it as one.
You're wrong about this. Additionally, I don't think I generally post as if I'm certain about things (I might be wrong, remember) so your pointing out my "uncertainty" as uncharacteristic is not only wrong, it's something you should know is wrong.
Admitting that you might be wrong about something is not a scumtell. I'm not sure why you're trying to paint it as one.
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...should I be paranoid?Post 48, Bookitty wrote:before you made your choices, Ether,
It's not. It's a point in your favor, actually. I said that.Post 48, Bookitty wrote:why is it so suspicious that others who had not done so might not see it as clearly as you did?
That's not what I'm saying. I think that your own roleblocker/encryptor vote clashes illogically with your initial choice. I'm confused by when you believed what, but I think you'd have believedPost 48, Bookitty wrote:Admitting that you might be wrong about something is not a scumtell. I'm not sure why you're trying to paint it as one.
something
right off the bat. I kind of think doctor/weakdoc/vig would be the initial thought, not something you'd move to upon contemplation. Dunno.As I move my vote
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
Towards your wagon, town is taking note
It fills my head up and gets louder and
LOUDER