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Posted: **Tue Dec 27, 2016 3:25 pm**

Sounds good. I'll do that!
For each Mafia PM I removed this line: "You may converse privately with your mafia allies during the day as long as your encryptor is alive."

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 1:37 am**

In post 17, Empking wrote:I'm indifferent towards the Motion Detector.

I agree with this.

So keep it. You wanted it in your game, why would you remove it now? Someone might have fun with it, and it might help town a tiny bit in a claim situation.

In post 23, BigYoshiFan wrote:Yeah, I think I should give the full role PM if the modified ascetic flips. I don't think I can just leave as "modified" and not explain how.

yup, you got this right.

As for pure numbers, you have 1 full pr's, 2 limited ones, 2 weak ones. Scum get 1 and a limited one. I wouldn't cut too far into the towns PR's, this is still not unfavourable to scum, they get quite a couple tools here and 10-3 is a very good starting point for scum anyway. If we put it out like this nobody is going to complain, but I suspect if you run it 100 times scum win it at least 60 times from how winrates have gone in the last couple of years. If you got bored of the motion detector by now, so if it needs to go, you could happily replace that with something more substantial.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 8:57 am**

Okay then I'll put it back. Everyone good?

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:29 am**

We can negotiate on the motion detector if necessary, not sure how.
Give it a modifier? Give the mafia team a weak 1-shot role?

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 9:37 am**

wouldn't give the mafia more, I think.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:05 am**

Ircher, are you cool if I leave it in? Would you prefer it'd be modified?

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:28 am**

Yeah, I would not want scum made more powerful.

Can you post the Modified Ascetic PM that you'd post in thread please. (I don't want him to lynched when you're in a rush and making an avoidable mistake.)

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:45 am**

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Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:45 am**

Maybe I should not say who their partners are either?
I dunno how that got mixed up into that post. XD

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:48 am**

I've always found it easy enough to not mention partners at all in role PM's, and just post all the team role PM's (or just roles) in the scum chat opening post. That way there's a lot less work involved in redacting flips.

Or you could just do (for redacted role PM):

You are allied with

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Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:50 am**

In post 30, BigYoshiFan wrote:Ircher, are you cool if I leave it in? Would you prefer it'd be modified?

It's more its ability to be claimed that I am worried about than the power of the role itself.

Scum have to (unless I'm mistaken) get at least 4 mislynches in to win, and in most games, PR claims are rarely lynched.

Still, it's your setup, so your choice. (I do agree scum is strong enough though as-is).

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:50 am**

In post 34, mhsmith0 wrote:I've always found it easy enough to not mention partners at all in role PM's, and just post all the team role PM's (or just roles) in the scum chat opening post. That way there's a lot less work involved in redacting flips.

Or you could just do (for redacted role PM):

You are allied with
{REDACTED}

Alternately, I just do access lists and let scum (and masons if they exist) copy-paste role pms in their pts.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:51 am**

But yeah, I rarely leave mafia partners actually in a role pm.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 11:53 am**

In post 35, Ircher wrote:
In post 30, BigYoshiFan wrote:Ircher, are you cool if I leave it in? Would you prefer it'd be modified?
It's more its ability to be claimed that I am worried about than the power of the role itself.

Scum have to (unless I'm mistaken) get at least 4 mislynches in to win, and in most games, PR claims are rarely lynched.

Still, it's your setup, so your choice. (I do agree scum is strong enough though as-is).

Surprisingly, PR claims have been getting lynched more often of late it seems.
Large Normal 197 was insanely townsided
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=68819
but the first two days were town PR lynches, and scum STILL barely eked out a F3 win.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:01 pm**

Okay, I'm taking the partners out of every mafia role PM too.
I think I'm just gonna leave the motion detector in.

P-edit - HAHAHAHAH, that game.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:03 pm**

solid job winning that one. i mean, i didn't actually read it (and there was probably a lot of lolwillage going on), but winning 14v3 with a boatload of town PRs, including a number of useful ones, and very little scum power, is a very solid achievement.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 12:05 pm**

Thanks! I'm gonna have a big head for a while after that game.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:18 pm**

Final decision, leaving motion detector in. Should I repost everything?

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:35 pm**

Sure.

Posted: **Wed Dec 28, 2016 4:38 pm**

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Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2016 12:09 am**

yup, looks lovely. I'm looking forward to seeing how this will turn out!

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2016 1:57 am**

Looking at it I think that the mix of Rolecop and Encryptor is regretful, and I would have rather scum just had plain daytalk.

However, I think the set up is acceptable, and I'm happy to pass it. The problem really is that players generally have a pro-scum perspective on balance.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:03 am**

Can you let me know (all three of you) expicitly, that it's okay to go into signups?

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2016 6:49 am**

wrt rule 5
A No Lynch and Draw votes are acceptable. A No Lynch requires a majority vote; A Draw requires an agreement of all living players. Do not abuse the Draw vote.

Please remove draw votes as being acceptable. It's a nasty angleshooting way that a town that's getting its ass kicked can force scum to agree to a draw. If you want draw as an option, say that you'll only accept it if all living players privately PM you agreement.

I'm ok with this otherwise.

Posted: **Thu Dec 29, 2016 9:06 am**

I'll modify the rule so that draw votes are only acceptable via private message.
Rule 5 has been changed into this: Draw votes are acceptable. No Lynch requires majority vote, A Draw requires the agreement of all living players via PM and PM ONLY. Do not abuse the draw vote.

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