TwoFace Mini Normal Review

[Firebringer]

Funny thing, i was once a Desperado and I didn't know it up until MYLO and then I figured out I was Desp and then used my ability to win game.

If Desp holds onto his power for longer than Day1/2 I think its very very powerful, but yeah unlikely to not be used in first few day phases.

I think the setup is fine, unless you think theres something that specifically can be adjusted Antihero?

I agree its not "town sided" but, I don't think scum have a huge advantage in this.

[Firebringer]

personally Id rather see an invest taken out and a prot put in this game, but I think that might swing game the other way.
And kind of goes away from the theme of this game.

[mastina]

The 3 investigatives are all of the exact same type with the exact same limitation, and the scumteam via their ninja shot are warned of that. A scumteam who assumes that they're under no threat of being caught is making a faulty assumption, and that's on them.

If the town lynches their own power, then that would be the fault of the town, not the setup.
While it's true the three investigatives all being of the same type is unusual in a mini normal, the total amount of town power is not: four total town PRs, with three of them as (slightly) gated. Additionally, the Desperado shooting one of said investigatives gives the town a clue that, yes, they are in fact town investigatives. With the exception of the Desperado (which can prove its power), them being of the same theme gives the town a clue to the synergy of the setup, and if the town can't figure it out, then they can't figure it out.

I think that while there would be the chance of the losing side complaining, the game's neither swingy nor unbalanced. There's no breaking strategy for the town; there's no inherent weakness to be exploited by the scum. Town being lynched hurts the town but not beyond recovery; scum being lynched hurts the scum but not beyond recovery.

Simply put, my opinion on the game is, if the Desperado doesn't have the bulletproof, any complaints about game balance would be 100% objectively wrong. To me, it's a balanced setup. It has a fun, unique quirk to it. (The theme of the investigative roles.) There's not any aspect of the setup which I see as inherently unfun. There's not any aspect of the setup I see as "not fair". I don't have any other metrics by which to judge the game, and all of these decisions, all of this process, can be explained in the postgame if need be.

But were I outvoted here, I would be willing to work on tweaking the setup further.

[Antihero]

The 3 investigatives are all of the exact same type with the exact same limitation,

i fear that this is exactly where most townies will stop thinking and just lynch an investigative but... blah i guess you're right and that can't be outguessed

[mastina]

I don't really think we as reviewers should punish mods who have setups which discourage outguessing the mod, basically.

[Antihero]

yeah... that's fair.

let me take a quick peek at the rules + role pm's

[Antihero]

Even Night Watcher
Role: Even Night Watcher

Powers
Even Night Watcher: During each odd night you can submit one target. You will watch that target and learn who if anyone visits them

Win Condition
You win when all anti-town members have been eliminated at at least 1 town member is alive.

typo, this should be even

[Antihero]

you should also prob type up how the results pm's are going to look for the investigatives just to cover your bases

[TwoFace]

Even Night Watcher
Role: Even Night Watcher

Powers
Even Night Watcher: During each even night you can submit one target. You will watch that target and learn who if anyone visits them

Win Condition
You win when all anti-town members have been eliminated at at least 1 town member is alive.

[TwoFace]

You tracked player A. He went no where (ninja, VT, and a PR who didn't act would generate this result)
You tracked player A. He visited player B

You watched player A. Nobody visited (ninja, VT, and a PR who didn't act would generate this result)
You watched player A. Player B visited him

You followed player A. You did not see anything (ninja, VT, and a PR who didn't act would generate this result)
You followed player A. You saw he used action A

[Antihero]

looks kosher to me

anything else?

[mastina]

The Desperado PM still has the Bp in its last version, so that needs to be fixed.

[TwoFace]

Town 1-shot Desperado

Role: Town 1-shot Desperado

Powers
Day Desperado (1-shot): During a Day phase, you may attempt to kill a player. If your kill resolves on a player who is Town-aligned, it will fail and you will die instead. You may only do this once.

Win Condition
You win when all anti-town members have been eliminated at at least 1 town member is alive.

[TwoFace]

Here are all the role PMs with the revision. Doing this so I don't accidentally use the wrong ones.

Spoiler:

Town 1-shot Desperado

Role: Town 1-shot Desperado

Powers
Day Desperado (1-shot): During a Day phase, you may attempt to kill a player. If your kill resolves on a player who is Town-aligned, it will fail and you will die instead. You may only do this once.

Win Condition
You win when all anti-town members have been eliminated at at least 1 town member is alive.

Odd Night Tracker

Role: Odd Night Tracker

Powers
Odd Night Tracker: During each odd night you can submit one target. You will track that target and learn where if anywhere they visited.

Win Condition
You win when all anti-town members have been eliminated at at least 1 town member is alive.

Even Night Watcher

Role: Even Night Watcher

Powers
Even Night Watcher: During each even night you can submit one target. You will watch that target and learn who if anyone visits them

Win Condition
You win when all anti-town members have been eliminated at at least 1 town member is alive.

Follower

Role: Follower

Powers
Follower: Each night you can target one individual and learn what if any actions they took but you will not know who they performed the action on.
If a person did not use any action or you are blocked you would receive the result of No Result

Win Condition
You win when all anti-town members have been eliminated at at least 1 town member is alive.

Vanilla Townie

Role: Vanilla Townie

Powers: You have no powers outside of your voice and your vote.
Win Condition
You win when all anti-town members have been eliminated at at least 1 town member is alive

1-Shot Mafia Ninja

Role: 1 Shot Mafia Ninja
You share a Private forum with Player A & Player B in which you may speak at all times
You have a factional night kill, which means once per night one of you may kill a player
You have a one-shot ninja ability which would return a result to any tracker/watcher/or similar role which may or may not be in the game

Win Condition
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same)

Mafia Goon

Role name: Mafia Goon
Abilities:
You share a Private forum with Player A & Player B in which you may speak at all times
You have a factional night-kill meaning that each night one of you may night-kill a player.

Win Condition
You win if at least one member of your group is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same)

[Firebringer]

I don't see any issues....
You guys?

[mastina]

It's definitely passable, yeah.

[Firebringer]

Approved with Fire

Everything looks good to me.

[Antihero]

/sign off