Creature's Large Normal Review

Creature · Post Post #25 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 11:42 am

In post 15, mastina wrote:I also would drop the 2 votes clause from plurality. If you want plurality, you should consistently enforce it across the whole game. Don't give players an out.

idk, it's possible for the players to stay the entire day not voting anyone or the day to end with no wagons.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #26 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:25 pm

Looking back at this

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #27 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:28 pm

You may target one player per night. You will cause anyone who targets this player action to fail. You cannot target yourself.

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You may target one player per night. You will cause any night actions which target this player to fail. You cannot target yourself.

it's currently weird.

If you only count vote tag votes you open up a thorny situation WRT trickhammers using bold tags. I would suggest allowing bold votes.

Empking · Post Post #28 (ISO) » Wed Mar 29, 2017 8:28 pm

Aye, you should definitely allow bold votes, and merely specify that voting must be done at the start or end of a paragraph.

I think the Innocent Neighbour needs to know how he confirms himself.

The only normal Doctor on Mafiascum is the one that protects against a single kill - don't ask me why - and thus you need to change that, also.

Creature · Post Post #29 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:55 am

Slight change to opening post:

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Spoiler: Events

Creature · Post Post #30 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:57 am

Spoiler: Town Non-Consecutive Doctor

Spoiler: Town Innocent Neighbor

Btw, you may check for bad spellings.

Creature · Post Post #31 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:16 am

Rules with some modifications:

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Play to win.
Be respectful.
Be active.
If you have questions about your role, ask them by PM.

Don't:

Don't discuss ongoing games.
Don't copy, quote or screenshot your role PM, mod communications or anything that isn't public.
Don't pretend to break the rules.
Don't use very small, invisible or encrypted text.
Don't write your posts almost entirely with shade of blue (
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Deadlines

Day 1 will last 14 (real life) days. While all subsequent days will last 10 (real life) days.
Nights will last 2 (real life) days.
Night may end earlier if every single alive player requests to end the night.
If you don't submit your night action, I'll take that as a no action.
I'll only extend the deadline if it's about to end and I need replacements.

Voting

All votes must be done with vote tags, like VOTE: Someone.
You may instead bold your vote. However, they must be isolated in one paragraph.
You may also vote nolynch.
A majority is reached if more than half the players have voted the same player/nolynch.
If the deadline ends, the player (nolynch included) with the highest number of votes will be lynched. If there's a tie, the first player to have reached that number of votes will be lynched. If no player got higher than 2 votes, the day will end in a nolynch.

P.S.: I won't edit your posts.

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Prods

If your last post was over 47 hours ago, you'll be prodded.
If you yet haven't posted after 24 hours since the prod, I'll starting searching your replacement. You may return into your slot.
If you have to be prodded twice in the dayphase (excluding Day 1), I'll automatically search for your replacement. You can't return to your slot.
If you were to receive your third prod, you'll be force-replaced. You will be unable to return to your slot.
I'll remove one prod from your prod counter if you stay two entire dayphases without being prodded.
If I notice you're consistently prod-dodging, I'll automatically prod you.

V/LAs and Replacing

V/LAs must be announced in PMs and they must be atleast 3 days. Remember to set you're V/LA in your profile (https://forum.mafiascum.net/ucp.php?i=vla&mode=settings) because I may miss them.
By announcing V/LA, I'll extend your prodtimer to 72 hours rather than 48 hours.
If you absolutely can't post anything for over 72 hours, you may want to talk with me. You may need to replace out.
Consider voluntarily replacing out if you won't play (either because you can't or you don't feel like playing). You may replace back into your slot (unless you're abusing it.

Observation: Replace back only applies if your replacement replaces out.

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This game uses plurality lynch mechanism.
This game has the potential to be swingy.

Spoiler: Sample Vanilla Town Role PM

Creature · Post Post #32 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:30 am

Btw, I'd like some review on the upcoming announcement:

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Creature · Post Post #33 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:33 am

Actually I got a better PM:

Spoiler: Town Innocent Neighbor

Feel free to change the spelling.

Creature · Post Post #34 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:40 am

I forgot to fix it here:

Voting

All votes must be done with vote tags, like VOTE: Someone.
You may instead bold your vote. However, they must be isolated in one paragraph.
You may also vote nolynch.
A majority is reached if more than half the players have voted the same player/nolynch.
If the deadline ends, the player (nolynch included) with the highest number of votes will be lynched.
If there's a tie, the player who was going to be lynched most recently will be lynched. Example: If player A has five votes, player B has three votes and someone unvotes player A to vote player B, Player A would be lynched.

Creature · Post Post #35 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 9:54 am

One-Guilty Cop: Can X make me lose my ability?
"No matter what happens to you, if you don't explicitly receive a

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result, you'll still function.
2-shot Vigilante: If my action doesn't succeed, will I receive my ability back?
"No"
Weak Vigilante: If X happens, will I still die?
"If your action succeeds, even if your target doesn't die, you'll die, as long it's on scum"
Weak Vigilante: Can X prevent me from dying?
"Yes, you can be saved from dying"
Town Non-Consecutive Doctor: If a bodyguard protects my target, what happens if the target is attacked?
"The bodyguard" (After all, the doctor only saves after the target was shot, the bodyguard saves when the target is about to be shot)
Town Innocent Neighbor: Can my action be blocked?
"No"
Mafia Gunsmith: If I target a mafia JOAT with a doctor ability, will I see them with a gun?
"Yes"
Mafia Rolestopper: If I rolestop and kill the same target, will my kill be stopped?
"Yes"

idk, there are many questions that I may receive.

Creature · Post Post #36 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:00 am

Refixed and added another clause:

Voting

All votes must be done with vote tags, like VOTE: Someone.
You may instead bold your vote. However, they must be isolated in one paragraph.
You may also vote nolynch.
A majority is reached if more than half the players (x>50%) have voted the same player/nolynch.
If the deadline ends, the player (nolynch included) with the highest number of votes will be lynched.
If there's a tie, the player who held the higher vote total most recently will be lynched. Example: If player A has five votes, player B has three votes and someone unvotes player A to vote player B, Player A would be lynched.
Only if there's no way I can break the tie (such no votes being made the entire dayphase) it'll end in a default nolynch.

Creature · Post Post #37 (ISO) » Fri Mar 31, 2017 10:01 am

Is it necessary or recommended to say that role PMs will be flipped?

Also, maybe I should warn mafia and neighborhood that their PTs will be released as soon game ends.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #38 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:04 pm

Hey this stopped being a thing so let's get this done with.

RadiantCowbells · Post Post #39 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:05 pm

Having 'rules' like that either puts votes down to mod deliberation or allows trickvotes that can turn the game. I would be more comfortable if you just said vote tags preferred.

Empking · Post Post #40 (ISO) » Mon Apr 03, 2017 8:13 pm

In post 37, Creature wrote:Is it necessary or recommended to say that role PMs will be flipped?

No.

Also, maybe I should warn mafia and neighborhood that their PTs will be released as soon game ends.

Aye.

Creature · Post Post #41 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:31 am

All votes must be done with vote tags or bold tags, like VOTE: Someone or

vote: someone

. If it looks like a vote, it'll be counted.

Creature · Post Post #42 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 5:31 am

Anything else?

Empking · Post Post #43 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:10 am

In post 42, Creature wrote:Anything else?

Not to my mind. Everything looks good so repost the finalised bits, and we'll see it.

Creature · Post Post #44 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:26 am

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Spoiler: Events

Creature · Post Post #45 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:38 am

It'd look like this throughout the game:

Players	Status	Role	Death
TwoFace	Alive
Nexus	Alive
BTD6_Maker	Alive
RadiantCowbells	Alive
Empking	Dead	Town Compulsive Doctor	Killed N1
mastina	Dead	Mafia Goon	Killed N1
Raskolnikov	Dead	Vanilla Town	Lynched D1

Spoiler: Events

Creature · Post Post #46 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:44 am

Rules:

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Play to win.
Be respectful.
Be active.
If you have questions about your role, ask them by PM.

Don't:

Don't discuss ongoing games.
Don't copy, quote or screenshot your role PM, mod communications or anything that isn't public.
Don't pretend to break the rules.
Don't use very small, invisible or encrypted text.
Don't write your posts almost entirely with shade of blue (
#0000FF
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Deadlines

Day 1 will last 14 (real life) days. While all subsequent days will last 10 (real life) days.
Nights will last 2 (real life) days.
Night may end earlier if every single alive player requests to end the night.
If you don't submit your night action, I'll take that as a no action.
I'll only extend the deadline if it's about to end and I need replacements.

Voting

All votes must be done with vote tags or bold tags, like VOTE: Someone or
vote: Someone
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You may also vote nolynch.
A majority is reached if more than half the players (x>50%) have voted the same player/nolynch.
If the deadline ends, the player (nolynch included) with the highest number of votes will be lynched.
If there's a tie, the player who held the higher vote total most recently will be lynched. Example: If player A has five votes, player B has three votes and someone unvotes player A to vote player B, Player A would be lynched.
Only if there's no way I can break the tie (such no votes being made the entire dayphase) it'll end in a default nolynch.

P.S.: I won't edit your posts.

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If your last post was over 47 hours ago, you'll be prodded.
If you yet haven't posted after 24 hours since the prod, I'll starting searching your replacement. You may return into your slot.
If you have to be prodded twice in the dayphase (excluding Day 1), I'll automatically search for your replacement. You can't return to your slot.
If you were to receive your third prod, you'll be force-replaced. You will be unable to return to your slot.
I'll remove one prod from your prod counter if you stay two entire dayphases without being prodded.
If I notice you're consistently prod-dodging, I'll automatically prod you.

V/LAs and Replacing

V/LAs must be announced in PMs and they must be atleast 3 days. Remember to set you're V/LA in your profile (https://forum.mafiascum.net/ucp.php?i=vla&mode=settings) because I may miss them.
By announcing V/LA, I'll extend your prodtimer to 72 hours rather than 48 hours.
If you absolutely can't post anything for over 72 hours, you may want to talk with me. You may need to replace out.
Consider voluntarily replacing out if you won't play (either because you can't or you don't feel like playing). You may replace back into your slot (unless you're abusing it.

Observation: Replace back only applies if your replacement replaces out.

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Daytalk is active.
This game uses plurality lynch mechanism.
This game has the potential to be swingy.

Spoiler: Sample Vanilla Town Role PM

Creature · Post Post #47 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:45 am

Maybe the "This game has the potential to be swingy." should be removed.

Creature · Post Post #48 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:54 am

20 players

Town One-Guilty Cop
Town 2-shot Vigilante
Town Neighbor Weak Vigilante
Town Non-Consecutive Doctor
Town Innocent Neighbor
Town Neighbor
Town Neighbor
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town
Vanilla Town

Mafia Gunsmith
Mafia Rolestopper
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon

Spoiler: Vanilla Town

Spoiler: Town One-Guilty Cop

Spoiler: Town 2-shot Vigilante

Spoiler: Town Neighbor Weak Vigilante

Spoiler: Town Non-Consecutive Doctor

Spoiler: Town Innocent Neighbor

Spoiler: Town Neighbor

Spoiler: Mafia Goon

Spoiler: Mafia Gunsmith

Spoiler: Mafia Rolestopper

Notes:

Town One-Guilty Cop will only stop functioning if it gets a guilty result. Even if it targets scum, a "no result" result won't count.
Town 2-shot Vigilante won't be refunded shots if its action fails.
Town Neighbor Weak Vigilante will die if it targets scum and isn't stopped. If rolestopped, it won't die. If target doctored, it will die.
Town Innocent Neighbor can't be roleblocked at all.
Mafia Gunsmith will get positive on Town One-Guilty Cop, Town 2-shot Vigilante, Town Neighbor Weak Vigilante and on anyone from the mafia team.
Mafia Rolestopper may rolestop their own factional kills. AKA Mafia Rolestopper + Mafia Factional Kill on the same target = Fail.

Creature · Post Post #49 (ISO) » Thu Apr 06, 2017 8:55 am

Should I rename the Town One-Guilty Cop to Town One Hit Cop?