I was bothered by full role cop since I didn't think scum needed it, I don't think this is town sided or scum sided so I would say its reasonably balanced. Personally with the way town has been playing lately, Id say scum has higher chance of winning this, but who knows.
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
Technically we should get a repost of all role PMs before approval, which I would insist on--details can and will be caught by doing so, so it's a necessary formality for me.
But I don't have balance-concerns.
Only difference is changing rolecop and friendly neighbor PMs. Interactions are still same; let me know if I should change them.
Spoiler: second (rules) post
Spoiler: Role PMs
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Vanilla Townie
.
Your only powers are your voice and your vote.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Loyal Friendly Neighbor
.
During the night, you may target a player. That player will be informed that you are aligned with the town. If that player is not aligned with the town, your action will fail. You will not be informed if your action fails.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Rolestopper
.
During the night, you may target a player. All other actions (including kills) that target that player that night will fail.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Backup Rolestopper
.
If a rolestopper dies during the game, you will become a rolestopper.
If you become a rolestopper, during the night, you may target a player. All other actions (including kills) that target that player that night will fail.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Neighbor
.
You are in a neighborhood with PLAYER. You may talk with them at night here: LINK
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Neighbor Motion Detector
.
You are in a neighborhood with PLAYER. You may talk with them at night here: LINK
During the night, you may target a player. You will be informed whether or not you see any motion on that player. You will see motion if either that player acts that night, or another player other than you targets that player that night.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Mafia Goon
, along with NAME (who is also a goon), and NAME (who is a rolecop).
You may talk with the other mafia members at night here: LINK
As a faction, at night, one of you may kill a player.
You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least one player aligned with you is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Mafia Night Two Rolecop
, along with NAME and NAME (who are both goons).
You may talk with the other mafia members at night here: LINK
As a faction, at night, one of you may kill a player.
On night two, you may target a player and learn their role. You may kill and use this ability in the same night if desired.
You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least one player aligned with you is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Spoiler: Interactions etc
A player is still considered to have acted for the purpose of the motion detector even if their action fails (either because of the loyal modifier or because of the rolestoppers).
No daytalk for mafia or neighborhood.
Rolecop gets full role name: Neighbor on the neighbor, Motion Detector Neighbor on it, Rolestopper on the rolestopper, lfn on the lfn. If the rolecop targets the backup rolestopper, then they get "rolestopper" if they've become an actual rolestopper, "backup rolestopper" otherwise. Kills resolve before investigations, so if they kill the rolestopper and investigate the backup, they will receive a result of "rolestopper."
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Your only powers are your voice and your vote.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Loyal Friendly Neighbor
.
During the night, you may target a player. That player will be informed that you are aligned with the town. If that player is not aligned with the town, your action will fail. You will not be informed if your action fails.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Rolestopper
.
During the night, you may target a player. All other actions (including kills) that target that player that night will fail.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Backup Rolestopper
.
If a rolestopper dies during the game, you will become a rolestopper.
If you become a rolestopper, during the night, you may target a player. All other actions (including kills) that target that player that night will fail.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Neighbor
.
You are in a neighborhood with PLAYER. You may talk with them at night here: LINK
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Neighbor Motion Detector
.
You are in a neighborhood with PLAYER. You may talk with them at night here: LINK
During the night, you may target a player. You will be informed whether or not you see any motion on that player. You will see motion if either that player acts that night, or another player other than you targets that player that night.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Mafia Goon
, along with NAME (who is also a goon), and NAME (who is a night two rolecop).
You may talk with the other mafia members at night here: LINK
As a faction, at night, one of you may kill a player.
You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least one player aligned with you is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Mafia Night Two Rolecop
, along with NAME and NAME (who are both goons).
You may talk with the other mafia members at night here: LINK
As a faction, at night, one of you may kill a player.
On night two, you may target a player and learn their role. You may kill and use this ability in the same night if desired.
You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least one player aligned with you is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Spoiler: Interactions etc
A player is still considered to have acted for the purpose of the motion detector even if their action fails (either because of the loyal modifier or because of the rolestoppers).
No daytalk for mafia or neighborhood.
Rolecop gets full role name: Neighbor on the neighbor, Motion Detector Neighbor on it, Rolestopper on the rolestopper, lfn on the lfn. If the rolecop targets the backup rolestopper, then they get "rolestopper" if they've become an actual rolestopper, "backup rolestopper" otherwise. Kills resolve before investigations, so if they kill the rolestopper and investigate the backup, they will receive a result of "rolestopper."
"You are the Joker of mafia players" - Oversoul
"last time I was scum with Firebringer
his first post in the scum PT was "yes I rolled scum!"
I decided to post "haha just don't post that in the main thread", but to get up to date on the main thread first.
His first post in the main thread was "yes I rolled scum!" -popsofctown
Loyal "It causes the role to behave as though it were roleblocked unless the target has the same alignment as the user."
Roleblocker "In practice, roleblocked abilities are simply considered to have never happened. Thus, roles such as Tracker, Watcher, and Paranoid Gun Owner do not work if they Track/Watch/are targeted by Roleblocked actions."
Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi
Cool. Missed that line in the wiki, glad to see there's an explicit ruling.
Made one other change: added a clause "and for the first 48 hours of d1" to when private topics are open.
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Your only powers are your voice and your vote.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Loyal Friendly Neighbor
.
During the night, you may target a player. That player will be informed that you are aligned with the town. If that player is not aligned with the town, your action will fail. You will not be informed if your action fails.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Rolestopper
.
During the night, you may target a player. All other actions (including kills) that target that player that night will fail.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Backup Rolestopper
.
If a rolestopper dies during the game, you will become a rolestopper.
If you become a rolestopper, during the night, you may target a player. All other actions (including kills) that target that player that night will fail.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Neighbor
.
You are in a neighborhood with PLAYER. You may talk with them at night here: LINK
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Town Neighbor Motion Detector
.
You are in a neighborhood with PLAYER. You may talk with them at night here: LINK
During the night, you may target a player. You will be informed whether or not you see any motion on that player. You will see motion if either that player acts that night, or another player other than you targets that player that night.
You win when all anti-town players are dead and at least one town member is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Mafia Goon
, along with NAME (who is also a goon), and NAME (who is a night two rolecop).
You may talk with the other mafia members at night here: LINK
As a faction, at night, one of you may kill a player.
You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least one player aligned with you is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Welcome to Mini Normal NUMBER, NAME!
You are a
Mafia Night Two Rolecop
, along with NAME and NAME (who are both goons).
You may talk with the other mafia members at night here: LINK
As a faction, at night, one of you may kill a player.
On night two, you may target a player and learn their role. You may kill and use this ability in the same night if desired.
You win when all players not aligned with you are dead and at least one player aligned with you is alive, or nothing can prevent the same.
Confirm by sending me a PM stating your role and alignment.
Spoiler: Interactions etc
A player is not considered to have acted for the purpose of the motion detector if their action fails (either because of the loyal modifier or because of the rolestoppers). The motion detector will see no motion in either of these cases (unless they see motion for some other reason).
No daytalk for mafia or neighborhood.
Rolecop gets full role name: Neighbor on the neighbor, Motion Detector Neighbor on it, Rolestopper on the rolestopper, lfn on the lfn. If the rolecop targets the backup rolestopper, then they get "rolestopper" if they've become an actual rolestopper, "backup rolestopper" otherwise. Kills resolve before investigations, so if they kill the rolestopper and investigate the backup, they will receive a result of "rolestopper."
I really don't think it's a good idea to resolve them differently. The page for ascetic is somewhat ambiguous because it explicitly states both what you say, and "More precisely, Ascetic reflexively Roleblocks all actions taken against them except kills" which in conjunction with what you said earlier about roleblocking implies that it should not be seen.
I think it's too confusing to resolve a roleblocker and a rolestopper's effects differently. Rolestopper's page does only say it's "effectively" an ascetic bulletproof, and i think in this edge case it should be treated like they were roleblocked, not like they're an ascetic.
It doesn't make sense for there to be two different ways for an action to "fail."
